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PrintableSo suppose that everyone in the world actualy helped and reduced pollution then how long would it take for the effects to take place? [Edited 1/13/07 17:39pm] I really like spicy food. I mostly put Jalapenos on a lot of my food.
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REDFEATHERS said: I know iof we switch off our electricity supplies fully instead leaving on standby and not using cars so much etc etc blah blah will only help in a minute percentage.
We can and do do these things anyway, but really places like China really need educated about global warming, cos it is them who are causing the most damage.. I believe it's actually the US that is causing the most damage. CERTAINLY we are doing the most damage per capita. But the more industrialized China and India become, the more they will be major sources of the problem. And yes, it would be great if we could help them bypass some of our mistakes. It's crucial. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: REDFEATHERS said: I know iof we switch off our electricity supplies fully instead leaving on standby and not using cars so much etc etc blah blah will only help in a minute percentage.
We can and do do these things anyway, but really places like China really need educated about global warming, cos it is them who are causing the most damage.. I believe it's actually the US that is causing the most damage. CERTAINLY we are doing the most damage per capita. But the more industrialized China and India become, the more they will be major sources of the problem. And yes, it would be great if we could help them bypass some of our mistakes. It's crucial. The US is cos of its size.. but like I say.. some far eastern countries are killing this world with their pollution.. they have no sanitation and dump their rubbish and chemical waste everywhere. They have no responsibilities or regulations when it comes to disposal | |
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Paradisekiss03 said: So suppose that everyone in the world actualy helped and reduced pollution then how long would it take for the effects to take place?
[Edited 1/13/07 17:39pm] That's a good question. Have you seen An Inconvenient Truth? It really is very good, and it talks some about that question. I remember finding the answers to be a bit bleak. I don't remember the details, but it's a problem. Even if we totally stopped releasing greenhouse gasses right now, there's already so much carbon in the atmosphere, and it takes decades (at least) for it to slowly cycle back into trapped terrestrial form. I guess there is technology being developed that can actually scrub carbon from the atmosphere. It's not a solution by itself, but it could be part of the puzzle. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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REDFEATHERS said: HereToRockYourWorld said: I believe it's actually the US that is causing the most damage. CERTAINLY we are doing the most damage per capita. But the more industrialized China and India become, the more they will be major sources of the problem. And yes, it would be great if we could help them bypass some of our mistakes. It's crucial. The US is cos of its size.. but like I say.. some far eastern countries are killing this world with their pollution.. they have no sanitation and dump their rubbish and chemical waste everywhere. They have no responsibilities or regulations when it comes to disposal The US because of it's consumption. We use an incredible amount of resources (and generate an incredible amount of waste) because of our lifestyles. Per person, we generate more greenhouse gasses than anybody. Yeah, a lot of less developed countries are still more concerned with keeping people fed than with managing polution. And they are destroying their local ecosystems at a tremendous rate. In many ways, those are seperate issues from the issue of climate change, which is really about energy consumption resulting in greenhouse gas emissions. But yes, absolutely, densely populated developing nations are already creating an environmental crisis and it's only going to get worse without huge efforts to the contrary. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Yes I saw the Incovienient Truth in theaters, and I remember hearing something about that in my Geology class. [Edited 1/13/07 19:44pm] I really like spicy food. I mostly put Jalapenos on a lot of my food.
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Milty said: Spookymuffin said: If you read last part of the post, you'd see I don't really apply to "the movement." If they're as serious as you say:
The ripple effect works, but is long and for the most part ineffective. If you want consumers & firms to change, you hit them where it hurts: in the wallet. Then you'll get rapid change. However, governments are far too preoccupied with themselves and winning the next election to ever be so brass as to actually try to help the world/curb global warming. It'll never happen; strict legislation is a one-way ticket to the back-bench. 
That's why it's not working, imho. [Edited 1/13/07 14:22pm] the ripple effect does work. anyone who says it doesn't just plain outright doesn't want to believe it because they are too lazy to make it work or they really don't care - as you have stated already. it happens everyday. i don't live in America but it's happening on a massive scale. the hybrid car, wind farms, even individual cities have decided to ratify the Kyoto Protocol leaving the federal government behind. In China, they are being credited with having some of the most advanced environmental protection laws (shame about the dam and their human rights records). it's even happening in the UK. i know cuz I lived there for five years. but i ask: what are you doing to protect the environment and to help reduce global warming? all your proposals are just dandy. great. now get them to your local representative. bug them to hell for a change. [Edited 1/13/07 15:04pm] In terms of what I do, I recycle, turn of lights and use public transport. I do what I can anyways. You're also wrong about China. Having studied Geography for 2 years it's been the case study of choice for "the bad polluter of the world" - well, it and India. They're terrible. China produces more Carbon Emissions per day than America per fortnight. Also, you say all this, but the temperature keeps rising so it's clearly not working. | |
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Spookymuffin said: In terms of what I do, I recycle, turn of lights and use public transport. I do what I can anyways.
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scififilmnerd said: Desire2006 said: I have heard in the UK, people are advised by so-called "do-gooders" and "experts" that we should never leave anything on Stand-by!! Things such as TVs, computers, music systems, VCRs, DVD Players and other electrical appliances!! They say that actually turning all these completely off saves the environment and also improves our health!!!
No, they say turning those things completely off saves on the electricity bill.  If you don't turn them off completely the electricity leaks all over, everyone knows that.
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Spookymuffin said: Milty said: the ripple effect does work. anyone who says it doesn't just plain outright doesn't want to believe it because they are too lazy to make it work or they really don't care - as you have stated already. it happens everyday. i don't live in America but it's happening on a massive scale. the hybrid car, wind farms, even individual cities have decided to ratify the Kyoto Protocol leaving the federal government behind. In China, they are being credited with having some of the most advanced environmental protection laws (shame about the dam and their human rights records). it's even happening in the UK. i know cuz I lived there for five years. but i ask: what are you doing to protect the environment and to help reduce global warming? all your proposals are just dandy. great. now get them to your local representative. bug them to hell for a change. [Edited 1/13/07 15:04pm] In terms of what I do, I recycle, turn of lights and use public transport. I do what I can anyways. You're also wrong about China. Having studied Geography for 2 years it's been the case study of choice for "the bad polluter of the world" - well, it and India. They're terrible. China produces more Carbon Emissions per day than America per fortnight. Also, you say all this, but the temperature keeps rising so it's clearly not working. well then what i read in Time magazine a few months ago (the one with the polar bear on the cover) must have been wrong cuz they had a pretty good section on China. and yes true China is contributing its awful share but they are making strides to change the situation. maybe i should dig it out. yes the temperature is rising and yes it's getting warmer blah blah. but i just don't want to be one of those people who clearly don't give a fuck about the future. who are too self obsorbed with their own petty lives to make difference. "who well...i can't be arsed. if the other guy ain't doing it, why should i?" that's just pure laziness and just not good enough. last week it was 71 degrees in New York? in Junaury. Philly was in the mid 60s. don't you find that weird? i plan to have children one day and i really don't want them living in a world that's not suitable to live in. so...i do what i have to. | |
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Seriously, I think we should all do our part to try and prevent global warming, but when the governments are manipulating the weather, will anything we do be of any help?
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governments last a max of 5yrs so no government will put plans that will last more than that unless the people demand it.
If the poeple of the world want this then is will cost us all in terms of monetary terms, taxes will go up to clean the sea and the air the lands will need to be purfied and the planning for this will be more than 5 yrs and another thing we will need to curb our breeding as well as there wont be enough land to grow food for every one (not like it is now (sic)).. So we a re killing this planet lets move on and kill theext as well at least we can grow food there. | |
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shellyevon said: scififilmnerd said: No, they say turning those things completely off saves on the electricity bill. If you don't turn them off completely the electricity leaks all over, everyone knows that.
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shellyevon said: Is she planning on mopping that up???  | |
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TMPletz said: shellyevon said: Is she planning on mopping that up???  "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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TMPletz said:
So THAT'S how the aliens power their craft 
...and they are saving the World 
...(someone should have a word with nasa about this....Cow powered spacecraft) 
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