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Reply #270 posted 01/17/07 7:02pm

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MLS Needs a Supporting Cast for Its Star


Soccer: the best thing for sleep since pillows — those were the words of fabled sportswriter Jimmy Cannon, back in 1967. He was greeting the news that a national professional league was about to be formed.

For sure, the sport has never been short of colorful detractors in the American press. Yesterday, I saw a headline proclaiming that "a tidal wave of apathy" is greeting David Beckham's signing for Major League Soccer. I also read that "soccer is a sport for kids, immigrants, and progressive weirdos."

Those potshots span 40 years, and the most interesting thing about them is that soccer is still around and is stronger — certainly in terms of the number of American kids playing — than it has ever been.

Apathy? The Beckham story has been everywhere, a prominent feature on television news and a front page item in virtually every major American newspaper. If the signing were designed only to get exposure for MLS, then it has been a huge success. But the current frenzy will die down soon enough, and it has been built largely around Beckham's "global icon" image anyway, not the sport itself.

What then of Beckham's avowed aim of helping American soccer? To make the sport as popular here as it is in the rest of the world is the "new challenge" that Beckham identified as one of the prime reasons for his decision to leave Real Madrid.

In 1975, Pelé arrived in New York to a similar explosion of interest, and with the identical purpose: to kick-start the pro game in America. Pelé proved something of a mixed blessing. Yes, he did add recognition and quality to the North American Soccer League. But there are many who believe that the league's downfall (it folded in 1984) started with Pelé's arrival, as the big money spent by the Cosmos to lure him to New York set off a spending spiral among the other clubs that eventually led to a bankrupt league.

Pelé did what he was signed to do: He gave the NASL credibility throughout the rest of the world, and he made it acceptable for other top players to join what had been seen until then as a laughably second-rate league. Top players arrived — Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, Carlos Alberto, Johan Cruyff, and others — but the money spent on them doomed the NASL.

That scenario haunts the vision of the MLS leaders. It will not be repeated, they insist, because the single-entity structure of MLS, with its rigid salary caps, will prevent it. Quite possibly that is true, because MLS will allow a maximum of only 13 designated players (those who, like Beckham, are outside the salary cap rules) in the league, with not more than two a club.

The problem for MLS — and it is a huge problem — lies less with limiting the superstars, than in finding enough regular players good enough to play alongside them. The day after the Beckham signing last week, MLS held its annual "SuperDraft." But there was absolutely nothing "super" about any of the 52 players who were drafted. They are virtually all college players, mostly unknowns, hoping to break into the pro game. Their chances of making an impact are low. There is a yawning gap between the caliber of the college game and the pros.

The preponderance of collegetrained players in MLS is largely responsible for the league's lack of sparkle, for its unacceptably mediocre level of play.

The Los Angeles Galaxy — the team that Beckham will join —was a poor team last season. Coach Frank Yallop has his work cut out to improve its quality, to bring in players who can, so to speak, support Beckham in the style to which he is accustomed.

Beckham is not, never was, the greatest player in the world. But he should be the best player in MLS. Whether a modest supporting cast will allow him that status is debatable. Beckham has been primarily used throughout his career as a right midfielder, but Yallop has already stated that he will play Beckham as a central midfielder. That is a no-brainer, because your milliondollar signing has to be at the center of the action as much as possible.

It will mean that Beckham will have to become much more of an all-round playmaker, and not merely a provider of dangerous crosses from the right flank. It should also mean — according to the tenets of the modern game — that Beckham will be expected to do a lot more defensive work. Yallop has already praised Beckham's "work rate," but it remains to be seen whether the 31-year-old Beckham's idea of a new challenge includes more running than ever.

And of course, things will not be made easy on the field for Beckham. It is inconceivable that his opponents — who will include many players of limited and crude, often dangerously crude, tackling skills — will want to treat him with kid gloves.

Not least because Beckham's estimated $1 million weekly paycheck is 20 times greater than many those guys are earning in a year.

The idea — it will be promoted, you can be sure — that Beckham is just another player once the game starts, is ludicrous. Everyone will be conscious of his presence, including the referees who will no doubt soon be accused of protecting him from harsh tackling.

Will Beckham's presence attract other top players? There has been just one sign so far that this may be so. FC Dallas coach Steve Morrow announced that the club may sign Edgar Davids, a Dutch World Cup midfielder, currently on the books of England's Tottenham Hotspur. A rather unfortunate beginning. Davids, a 33-year-old known for his hard tackling, is not a player to add artistry or skill or glamour to the league.

It would be unfair to blame Beckham for choices made by MLS coaches, but there is one crucial area of the game where Beckham can have a direct effect, where he can decisively help American soccer. That of player development.

His involvement in this area has been under way for over a year with his David Beckham Academy in Los Angeles, which aims "to provide excellence in pursuit of development" for children ages 8 to 15.

Sadly, this has to be seen primarily as a money-making operation. A three-day session at the academy costs $375. A five-day residential course comes to $995. Those are figures that will effectively exclude low-income, urban children. And there will be no real forward movement in player development in this country until those kids are brought into the mix.
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Reply #271 posted 01/17/07 7:08pm

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mdiver:
[Snip - luv4u]. The standard chant, USA rules! When you have traveled outside of your little world give me a call, either that or next time i am over in the provinces i will give you a call and you can chant USA at me at watch me laugh my ass off!


[Snip - luv4u]. Starting something he can't finish. (Wait, are you gonna riot or attack the next American you see because you lost the argument, footy-fan?)

Anywho, for the record, this Yank has traveled the world and has never dissed soccer. This Yank played soccer. This Yank believed, believes and will believe, that futbol is a beautfiully played and designed sport with great athletes and passionate . . . well, overly passionate . . . well, maniacal . . . fans. It is the world's sport.

See, when this thread started, the discussion veered into some wildly uninformed opinions by some of you footy fans about the lack of athleticism in American football vis-a-vis soccer. That has to be the dumbest sports-related argument any of you have ever made in this community. The primary measures of athleticism include, but are not limited to, speed, strength, size and endurance. Indicia of athleticism include, but are not limited to, mastery of more than one sport. I.e., can those skills translate well in other sports. If any of you people knew anything about football or the cats who play it, you'd know that by those measures, many if not most of them are better athletes than soccer players.

The comparison made on this site presumes for the sake of argument both sets of athletes would be trained to play the other's sport. Us so-called arrogant Yanks submit that the footballers fare better in the soccer arena than the futbol-er's would on the football field.

The fact you got personal speaks volumes about your class, such as it is, and home training, which apparently is non-existent. But I guess the so-called real world is still plagued with small minds.

Here endeth the whipping, partner.


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Iam not agreeing with either party here, but why do amerian football players need all that armour on? It looks fucking stupid. Rugby players (which is a very different sport I know) don't use it, why cant the US do this? Maybe its the insurance or something?

I think American football is too obsessed with complicated stats (stats are used in football aswell, but are no way near as pointlessly complex) and is too stop start. I mean, American football stops for ad breaks for fucks sake. Iam not hard not am I trying to be, but American football does seem like a bit of a pussy sport. Run for 10 seconds, stop again, ad break, run for 10 seconds, throw some useless stats on the screen, wait for ages, ad break, etc..... no flow in the sport at all. Your left waiting ages. I like how football can be boring alot of the time, but there is always something to look at.

Baseball knocks the fuck outta cricket though.
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Reply #272 posted 01/17/07 7:19pm

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I do not get the fascination or obsession for one particular team, player or sport. I feel that most of them get paid way too much considering how much work they actually do. confused
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Reply #273 posted 01/24/07 11:54am

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namepeace said:

mdiver said:



[Snip - luv4u]


Sorry, had to mourn my girlfriend's father, but I'm back.

Honeybaby, you couldn't line up against me on your best day between the hash marks. Even at my age, I'd obliterate you.

You might could stand a chance in futbol, though.

I wasn't the best athlete in either sport. but I guarantee you if you got in a three-point stance against me you'd quit after 10 whistles.

And when reason is met with insults, when facts are met with multiple "I give up's," and when one knows less about his opponent's side than his opponent does his, then that's a whipping, son.

At least fantasyislander is trying her little head off.
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Firstly my condolences to your girlfriend and your families at this difficult time,

Secondly go read the other thread you started friend, you were on when that got posted and for days after.

[Snip - luv4u]
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Reply #274 posted 01/24/07 1:59pm

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oh, and my condolences to your girlfriend and her family. rose
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Reply #275 posted 01/24/07 2:03pm

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Reply #276 posted 01/24/07 2:17pm

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lol sorry. just hate it when people patronize and talk down to me.
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Reply #277 posted 01/24/07 7:25pm

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Reply #278 posted 01/24/07 7:43pm

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This shit is still going on?
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Reply #279 posted 01/24/07 7:53pm

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luv4u said:

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aw damn luv!! i didn't get to read his whole reply to me! lol


but did you have to take out me telling namepeace off? wink
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Reply #280 posted 01/25/07 3:34am

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fantasyislander said:

minneapolisgenius said:



lol sorry. just hate it when people patronize and talk down to me.

Me too, and I can see your point.
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Reply #281 posted 01/25/07 4:34am

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JustErin said:

This shit is still going on?


nod



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Reply #282 posted 01/25/07 6:02am

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Hollywood prepares itself.....

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Reply #283 posted 01/26/07 7:43am

namepeace

fantasyislander said:

luv4u said:

lurking

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aw damn luv!! i didn't get to read his whole reply to me! lol


but did you have to take out me telling namepeace off? wink


Now wait just a hot durn minute. I'm the only one in the argument that likes both sports.
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Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #284 posted 01/26/07 7:44am

namepeace

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fantasyislander said:



lol sorry. just hate it when people patronize and talk down to me.

Me too, and I can see your point.


read the whole thread, MinnieG. AND the other one I posted in P&R.
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Reply #285 posted 01/26/07 7:47am

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namepeace said:

minneapolisgenius said:


Me too, and I can see your point.


read the whole thread, MinnieG.


lol you didn't see what was deleted. she's talking about you talking down to me and my (deleted) reaction to it.

and you may "like" both sports, but it's clear from your haughty attitude towards american football players that you don't respect both sports.

how about we just agree to disagree on this subject, and you can go on in your haughtiness, mmkay?
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Reply #286 posted 01/26/07 7:59am

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fantasyislander said:

namepeace said:



read the whole thread, MinnieG.


lol you didn't see what was deleted. she's talking about you talking down to me and my (deleted) reaction to it.

and you may "like" both sports, but it's clear from your haughty attitude towards american football players that you don't respect both sports.

how about we just agree to disagree on this subject, and you can go on in your haughtiness, mmkay?


lol First time I've been called haughty. Okay, I guess I just take after this gentle lady.

i'll stick with the real athletes. you know, the ones that actually WORK and RUN for 90 minutes and have real SKILL.... not just fat guys who lumber down the field plowing people down.


:sticking pinky finger out while drinking from Washington coffee mug:

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Reply #287 posted 01/26/07 8:01am

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namepeace said:


lol First time I've been called haughty. Okay, I guess I just take after this gentle lady.

i'll stick with the real athletes. you know, the ones that actually WORK and RUN for 90 minutes and have real SKILL.... not just fat guys who lumber down the field plowing people down.


peace


lol i've already admitted i was oversimplifying wink


i'm still happy from my tax return, and you aren't going to bring me down with your patronizing attitude. wave see ya!
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Reply #288 posted 01/26/07 8:02am

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namepeace said:


lol First time I've been called haughty. Okay, I guess I just take after this gentle lady.

i'll stick with the real athletes. you know, the ones that actually WORK and RUN for 90 minutes and have real SKILL.... not just fat guys who lumber down the field plowing people down.


:sticking pinky finger out while drinking from Washington coffee mug:

peace
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whofarted edited? and what is this ":sticking pinky finger out while drinking from Washington coffee mug:" supposed to mean?


rolleyes forgot to fix the quotes.
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Reply #289 posted 01/26/07 8:06am

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fantasyislander said:

namepeace said:


lol First time I've been called haughty. Okay, I guess I just take after this gentle lady.



:sticking pinky finger out while drinking from Washington coffee mug:

peace
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whofarted edited? and what is this ":sticking pinky finger out while drinking from Washington coffee mug:" supposed to mean?


rolleyes forgot to fix the quotes.
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Yeah I edited it. shrug

Yeah. that's me. I'm haughtily drinking from a coffee mug featuring my favorite NFL team, while sticking my pinkie finger out. Joke at my own expense.

You're taking this way too personally. I was going after your arguments, not you. But oh well.
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Reply #290 posted 01/26/07 8:13am

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namepeace said:

fantasyislander said:




whofarted edited? and what is this ":sticking pinky finger out while drinking from Washington coffee mug:" supposed to mean?


rolleyes forgot to fix the quotes.
[Edited 1/26/07 8:02am]


Yeah I edited it. shrug

Yeah. that's me. I'm haughtily drinking from a coffee mug featuring my favorite NFL team, while sticking my pinkie finger out. Joke at my own expense.

You're taking this way too personally. I was going after your arguments, not you. But oh well.


falloff ooohhh!! i thought you meant I was sticking my pinky finger out and drinking from a washington mug. hence the "wtf?" face. lol

and my dear namepeace, you went after my arguments, sure, but also got some personal jabs in there as well. the deleted comment i made was simply warning you not to talk down to me again. wink
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Reply #291 posted 01/26/07 9:44am

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namepeace said:

fantasyislander said:




aw damn luv!! i didn't get to read his whole reply to me! lol


but did you have to take out me telling namepeace off? wink


Now wait just a hot durn minute. I'm the only one in the argument that likes both sports.



God you really don't read before you post do you. I mean i was up till 4am over the weekend watching the 2 games over there!
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Reply #292 posted 01/26/07 9:51am

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Edgar Davids is coming back to Amsterdam.....barf
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Reply #293 posted 01/26/07 9:57am

mdiver

abierman said:

Edgar Davids is coming back to Amsterdam.....barf



It ain't a done deal yet mate there is interest from Ajax, West Ham and AZ Alkmaar
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Reply #294 posted 01/26/07 9:59am

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mdiver said:

abierman said:

Edgar Davids is coming back to Amsterdam.....barf



It ain't a done deal yet mate there is interest from Ajax, West Ham and AZ Alkmaar



he'll put Ajax on top.....


I got totally wasted at a AZ Alkmaar game in the VIP-room last Tuesday.....lol
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Reply #295 posted 01/26/07 10:01am

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abierman said:

mdiver said:




It ain't a done deal yet mate there is interest from Ajax, West Ham and AZ Alkmaar



he'll put Ajax on top.....


I got totally wasted at a AZ Alkmaar game in the VIP-room last Tuesday.....lol



Yeah i reckon he will mate, looks like a free transfer too so no dough for us.
Good work at the game mate i hope someone else was payin'! Shame we never got to the game while you were here.We woulda had a blast
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Reply #296 posted 01/26/07 10:09am

abierman

mdiver said:

abierman said:




he'll put Ajax on top.....


I got totally wasted at a AZ Alkmaar game in the VIP-room last Tuesday.....lol



Yeah i reckon he will mate, looks like a free transfer too so no dough for us.
Good work at the game mate i hope someone else was payin'! Shame we never got to the game while you were here.We woulda had a blast



you think I'd pay for a AZ Alkmaar game????? I was there with business-associates!!!!! falloff
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Reply #297 posted 01/26/07 10:11am

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mdiver said:




Yeah i reckon he will mate, looks like a free transfer too so no dough for us.
Good work at the game mate i hope someone else was payin'! Shame we never got to the game while you were here.We woulda had a blast



you think I'd pay for a AZ Alkmaar game????? I was there with business-associates!!!!! falloff



Corporate expenses are a God send aint they? beer
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Reply #298 posted 01/26/07 10:15am

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mdiver said:

abierman said:

Edgar Davids is coming back to Amsterdam.....barf



It ain't a done deal yet mate there is interest from Ajax, West Ham and AZ Alkmaar


pout i was hoping to get to see him play.
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Reply #299 posted 01/26/07 10:17am

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fantasyislander said:

mdiver said:




It ain't a done deal yet mate there is interest from Ajax, West Ham and AZ Alkmaar


pout i was hoping to get to see him play.



oh, he'll come to the US after we puke him out.....won't be too long.....unless he beats up another girl and actually gets sentenced for it! neutral
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