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Ex-Head of British Intelligence Disputes Bush Claim that 9/11 wasnt avoidable (amoung other stuff)

LONDON, England -- U.S. investigators failed properly to detect the threat posed by al Qaeda ahead of the September 11 attacks, the former head of British intelligence says.

Dame Stella Rimington made the comment in a preface to a new edition of her controversial book "Open Secret," first published last year.

The ex-boss of MI5, Britain's domestic security service, also criticised the response by politicians adding that the war against terrorism was unwinnable.

Dame Stella writes in the book, extracts of which have been published by the Guardian newspaper: "From the political reaction it was as if the fact of an attack had come as a total surprise to governments and counter-terrorist authorities.


"The history of terrorism in the 20th century shows that a war on terrorism cannot be won unless the causes of terrorism are eradicated by making the world a place free of grievances -- something that will not happen."

She questions the ability of the FBI to detect the terror attack, saying the sifting of evidence "may not have been done sufficiently thoroughly before September 11."

"The nature and extent of the al Qaeda network seems to have escaped observation," she says.

"If it is true that the FBI had some intelligence, however vague, that a remarkable number of Islamic students were taking courses at U.S. flying schools, among other things security measures at U.S. airports should have been reviewed."

The ex-spy chief said assessment and analysis was needed to calculate potential threats in addition to simply gathering intelligence with human spies and hi-tech methods.

A super intelligence unit, such as President George W. Bush's creation of a Department of Homeland Security, would not work either, "merely adding to the confusion," she says.

The best solution would be to make it more difficult for terrorist groups by "doing what has been done before but doing more of it and doing it more effectively."

Another possibility would be to infiltrate al Qaeda or nurture informers -- but both would be difficult because of al Qaeda's intense ideological or religious fervour.

She also said the use of "revenge" rhetoric among politicians would not dampen strong emotions.

"Politicians should use words of scorn rather than the rhetoric of revenge," she said.

"We must try not to allow our reaction to give the terrorists even greater satisfaction than they get from the death and destruction they cause."
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Reply #1 posted 09/04/02 11:53am

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Well what would you expect from a woman? They haven't got a clue.

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Reply #2 posted 09/04/02 12:15pm

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I don't necessarily think that the government had full knowledge of the attack, i.e. the terrorist game plan and what day they were to carry out this attack BUT the FBI & CIA had OBVIOUS information in their hands. It's a damn shame that heads haven't rolled at both organizations. It just goes to show you how long our government has been asleep at the wheel.

It's absolutely amazing how the various memos regarding the terrorists taking flight lessons didn't make it to the top of the agencies for consideration.

If Al Gore had won the election, do you think his administration would be acting as beligerent as Bush & his crew? It's scary how Bush & his administration just run full steam ahead with new laws that affect our liberties and with new plans for war without the input of the people or the other branches of government.
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Reply #3 posted 09/04/02 12:26pm

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The best solution would be to make it more difficult for terrorist groups by "doing what has been done before but doing more of it and doing it more effectively."


Is it just me or is that like the most non-helpful statement out there? She sounds like a time-management consultant. "See what you need to do, is to do more work in less time..." question

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Reply #4 posted 09/04/02 12:36pm

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Universaluv said:



The best solution would be to make it more difficult for terrorist groups by "doing what has been done before but doing more of it and doing it more effectively."


Is it just me or is that like the most non-helpful statement out there? She sounds like an time-management consultant. "See what you need to do, is to do more work in less time..." question


I didn't get this either...
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Reply #5 posted 09/04/02 4:48pm

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It's always easy 4 other countries 2 say that.

But if it was them they would dispute the hell out of that claim.

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Reply #6 posted 09/04/02 4:51pm

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Well, so much for that "working" vacation idea that he's tried to pass off on us for the last month. He got the briefings during his last "working" vacation in August of 2001. And he sure jumped on the info, didn't he...
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