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What starts wars: religion or people? THINK. Over and over I c orgers dismissing all religions by saying "Dont religions start wars?" 
How can a religion, besides the fact that religions aren't even tangible, start a war? Religion may b a factor in starting wars, but do they START wars? PEOPLE start wars...because *NEWSFLASH*... people aren't perfect. And since people arent perfect, isnt it possible that some humans may misinterpret holy books and start wars based on them? Even IF holy wars r mentioned in these books, how do we know if they apply 2 us in the present day? The Quran doesnt say "On September 11th start a war!" Why? because the Quran main message is not violent. So this whole bullcrap about religion starting wars is just something imbeciles say. Im sorry if u r one of those imbeciles, but...u need 2 examine what ur saying when u go off on a whole religion like that. 4 some people it works, if it doesn't work 4 u then shut up, but dont suggest that they start wars when u know damn well it's people. (And this is coming from some1 who isn't particularly have a religion and does subscribe 2 that oh-so-modern term "spiritual...but not religious.") It was bugging me...so i got it off my chest...  | |
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Religion doesn't start wars in the same way that Handguns don't hold up gas stations. | |
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Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that...  | |
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Nep2nes said: 'What starts wars: religion or people? THINK.'
think? you went and made it too hard. | |
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Religion may not start wars but it is people's fanatical belief in RELIGION that causes man to war with each other (war being anything from bombing abortion clinics to the Spanish Inquisitions to Islamic Fundamentalists crashing planes into skyscrapers). Don't be naive about Religions powerful evil side. Religion = power in many cases and has been used to manipulate and control people since it's inception. Look at the Taliban as a great example of this. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that... Uh..what? Hey look, I just complimented u on another thread. Since u've been gone a while and r out of the loop, I'll let this comment slip by. 
Because what ur suggesting is that once in a while I should admit 2 being one just because I am called one by some1 on the internet. Sorry, not gonna happen. Im smarter than 2 actually value the opinion of cyber strangers. That includes u. | |
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Nep2nes said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that... Uh..what? Hey look, I just complimented u on another thread. Since u've been gone a while and r out of the loop, I'll let this comment slip by.
Because what ur suggesting is that once in a while I should admit 2 being one just because I am called one by some1 on the internet. Sorry, not gonna happen. Im smarter than 2 actually value the opinion of cyber strangers. That includes u.P.S. I have the right 2 call some1 an imbecile...especially if they offend me regarding religon. U also dont speak 4 them...they DO in fact blame the religion itself and its ideals. | |
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Nep2nes said: Nep2nes said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that... Uh..what? Hey look, I just complimented u on another thread. Since u've been gone a while and r out of the loop, I'll let this comment slip by.
Because what ur suggesting is that once in a while I should admit 2 being one just because I am called one by some1 on the internet. Sorry, not gonna happen. Im smarter than 2 actually value the opinion of cyber strangers. That includes u.P.S. I have the right 2 call some1 an imbecile...especially if they offend me regarding religon. U also dont speak 4 them...they DO in fact blame the religion itself and its ideals. hey, eat my ass. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Religion may not start wars but it is people's fanatical belief in RELIGION that causes man to war with each other (war being anything from bombing abortion clinics to the Spanish Inquisitions to Islamic Fundamentalists crashing planes into skyscrapers). Don't be naive about Religions powerful evil side. Religion = power in many cases and has been used to manipulate and control people since it's inception. Look at the Taliban as a great example of this.
"Religions powerful evil side" : I believe in a CULT's powerful evil side...but religion 2 me is positive. If it isn't positive it isn't religion. At least, the Muslim and Christian religions that every1's picking apart r based on ideas that r often stretched and manipulated 2 suit political agendas. But the TRUTH about these religions r that they r here 2 promote peace. So no, I dont think there is an "evil side" 2 religion. An evil side 2 people? Yes. Religion is sometimes the vehicle 4 that...but the religion itself doesnt do that. Whether or not it's the ideas OF the religion that people think r evil, thats essentially the same thing right? | |
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Nep2nes said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that... Uh..what? Hey look, I just complimented u on another thread. Since u've been gone a while and r out of the loop, I'll let this comment slip by.
Because what ur suggesting is that once in a while I should admit 2 being one just because I am called one by some1 on the internet. Sorry, not gonna happen. Im smarter than 2 actually value the opinion of cyber strangers. That includes u.Here you go and assume things instead of just making things easier by asking what I meant.  And just because you complimented me doesn't mean that I have to kiss your ass when I think you're not seeing the whole picture on an issue.
What I meant was that if you aren't willing to take the same criticism you dish out, then don't give it. Do Unto Others...The Golden Rule. If you don't wish to be called an imbecile, don't call others imbeciles.....  [This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:05:36 PDT 2002 by AnotherLoverHolenYoHead] | |
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money and power starts wars " could I be... the most beautiful man in the world! plain to see, i"m the reason that God made a man!"UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GRADUATE! VERY PRESTIGIOUS! | |
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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: What I meant was that if you aren't willing to take the same criticism you dish out, then don't give it. Do Unto Others...The Golden Rule.
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Nep2nes said:[quote] Nep2nes said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that... P.S. I have the right 2 call some1 an imbecile...especially if they offend me regarding religon. U also dont speak 4 them...they DO in fact blame the religion itself and its ideals. If someone called you that, you'd probably report them to the moderator... | |
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. [This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:13:18 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] | |
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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said:[quote] Nep2nes said: Nep2nes said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes, I think most people who say "religion is/has been the cause of wars/violence" realize that it's people and not the religion itself that is at fault. However, religion doesn't exist in a vacuum--people read it, interpret it, proselytize and take action against others who are different. And history has a tremendous influence upon what occurs in the present--in fact, holy writings and the deeds of ancestors are extremely influential in how people today justify their actions.
And stop calling people imbeciles, especially since you'd flip out and never, ever admit to being one yourself if someone called you that... P.S. I have the right 2 call some1 an imbecile...especially if they offend me regarding religon. U also dont speak 4 them...they DO in fact blame the religion itself and its ideals. If someone called you that, you'd probably report them to the moderator... No, I wouldnt, actually. Not that u'd know about reporting anything... | |
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Aaron said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: What I meant was that if you aren't willing to take the same criticism you dish out, then don't give it. Do Unto Others...The Golden Rule.
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nept2, eye would go 2 war for u  [This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:13:21 PDT 2002 by Pstyle] Where's my Pussy cat at? --Naughty by Nature | |
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Nep2nes said: AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Here you go and assume things instead of just making things easier by asking what I meant. Then maybe u should have been clearer. What I meant was that if you aren't willing to take the same criticism you dish out, then don't give it. Do Unto Others...The Golden Rule.
Since when did the Golden Rule apply 2 the internet? 
Funny thing is, I AM treating people how they treat me. Yall take this shit so seriously!!! Its hysterical! Golden Rule...lol... Bill Gates must have left that part out of the handbook. 
Obviously I am "taking" criticism if I choose 2 respond 2 it. It's not as if I spontaneously combust upon reading criticism. U also can't blame me 4 being passionate about my ideas and defending them, if even in an aggressive way. That's just the way I am. Deal with it. And c if u can stay on the serious topic of the thread. People who cant handle subject matter often divert attention away from the actual point. I know u can handle it so stop hijacking the thread, ok? Thanx. | |
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Nep2nes said: If someone called you that, you'd probably report them to the moderator... No, I wouldnt, actually. Not that u'd know about reporting anything...[/quote] There you go assuming again--you actually don't know if and what I've reported, do you? | |
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Nep2nes said:
. [This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:13:18 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] Too late, Nep2nes... | |
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Pstyle said: nept2, eye would go 2 war for u
[This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:13:21 PDT 2002 by Pstyle] *lookin' at ur profile pic* Damn u look like a cross between Usher and Shaft!
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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes said:
. [This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:13:18 PDT 2002 by Nep2nes] Too late, Nep2nes... Do u know what ur talking about? I dont | |
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that is wat starts wars ta ta ta ta . . . TOOMY | |
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AnotherLoverHolenYoHead said: Nep2nes said: If someone called you that, you'd probably report them to the moderator... No, I wouldnt, actually. Not that u'd know about reporting anything... There you go assuming again--you actually don't know if and what I've reported, do you? [/quote]
I only assumed based on ur assumption. | |
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Well obviously the answer is that people start wars, but often in the name of religion. It's kind of a chicken versus the egg thing.
But I have never blamed religion for any war I have always blamed the PEOPLE who start wars because of religion. Typically these people are extremists and not really representive of the "religion" that they are fighting for/over. BTW The Chronic is probably right anyway...Money and Power are probably at the root of any war. | |
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Nep2nes said: Pstyle said: nept2, eye would go 2 war for u
[This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:13:21 PDT 2002 by Pstyle] *lookin' at ur profile pic* Damn u look like a cross between Usher and Shaft!
actually eye suppose 2 look like Prince/Lenny..... nep2 hurt Pstyles feelings and now he hides  [This message was edited Wed Sep 4 17:20:19 PDT 2002 by Pstyle] Where's my Pussy cat at? --Naughty by Nature | |
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Nep was this thread started because of the comment I made in the "hate" thread? | |
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Nep2nes said: So this whole bullcrap about religion starting wars is just something imbeciles say. Im sorry if u r one of those imbeciles, but...u need 2 examine what ur saying when u go off on a whole religion like that. 4 some people it works, ... if it doesn't work 4 u then shut up, but dont suggest that they start wars when u know damn well it's people. Locking this thread. Nep2nes, come back when you've learned to follow the site rules and express yourself without being inflammatory and insulting. "... is just something imbeciles say" "Im sorry if u r one of those imbeciles" "if it doesn't work 4 u then shut up" Honestly, what did you expect? Sheesh. Ian | |
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