Anx said:

I found a bigger one:

Anx said:

You answered your own question - Ratner's a hack, the movie was poorly written and too many liberties with the characters.

sextonseven said:

The death of Alpha Flight had escaped my attention. In which comic book did that happen?

uPtoWnNY said:

i no more answered my own question than you did. i don't think the move was poorly written, i think this was a rare case of liberties being taken for a good cause, and even though ratner is a hack, i think he pulled a good movie out of his surely capacious ass.

now what was the question?

scififilmnerd said:

It was in an issue of New Avengers. Maybe #16.

sextonseven said:

Yeah they were killed by the energy manifistation of all the depowered mutants from the house of m storyline....(if that sounds crappy and confusing to you then your senses are correct.)

Sinister said:

so they died from a giant mutant fart, basically.

Anx said:

Yes exactly...see marvel is going through a phase now where to make the stories "seem" more important than they really are they are killing B-list characters and changing the personality of A-list characters.

By the way I read the new planet Hulk...I cannot say this enough it is one of the best saga's I have read from Marvel in like 10 years...it is ridiculously good. I suggest you grab it Anx

Sinister said:

long storylines set on other planets are a hard sell for me. maybe when it comes out as a trade paperback collection, i'll check it out.

marvel is a mess right now. i feel like DC has taken strides to clean its continuity up and make the most of its culty/b-list characters, and it's been making for some cleaner stories, as far as i'm concerned.

i was really impressed with the latest New Avengers, though. if they can keep it that mature and stark, i'll stick around a while. i was loving the klimt stuff w/ scarlet witch.

Anx said:

I grab the New Avengers every so often its good...To be honest the only 2 books I cling too like a life raft admist a sea of shit is Hulk *Planet Hulk* and Exiles...The only non Marvel I buy is Batman/Superman and Invincible. I was getting Annihilation until they killed Thanos with some bullshit...

Sinister said:

Astonishing X-Men and X-Factor I would recommend. Joss Whedon and Peter David know how to write.

sextonseven said:

Ahh darn I forgot about Astonishing...Im really enjoying the Hellfire Club/Breakworld storyline I didn't dig it initially but I kept with it.

sextonseven said:

they need to choose ONE x-men title and just tone the shit down a bit. i feel like the whole franchise is lost up its own ass. character development has really gone to shit, and the new characters that constantly get introduced are pretty freakin' lame anymore. the team combos chosen for each title aren't even that interesting, with the exception of the whedon title, which i'm sure was a prerequisite of him writing an x-men book.

i wrote off all the x-men titles at least a couple of years ago, with an OCCASIONAL peek at astonishing x-men. i think these days, if i need a fix, i'll go back to my beloved claremont/paul smith/john romita, jr. era issues.

Anx said:

Old Claremont yes...new Claremont...good gawd...dude has fallen off...

Sinister said:

i totally agree. i think character development has become a major no-no in comics now. i think it's all about jerking off readers with short-term attention spans for a couple dozen pages or so. i can't think of an issue of a comic book from the last decade that i felt was truly monumental or even memorable to me.

Anx said:

I still say X-Factor is a very good read. It's all C-list X-men that haven't been overused and messed with like the others. I always felt Peter David was the Joss Whedon of comics before Joss started writing comics himself. Get one of the new X-Factor TPB and read it and if you don't like it, I will honestly pay you back the money you spent and then some. I feel that strongly about it.

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sextonseven said:

i like peter david - i have his book on how to write comics, and it's a very very very good read.

Anx said:

Peter David and Jim Starlin are two of my "Gold" writers...I will get whatever they do and they don't dissapoint me..

Sinister said:

Peter David's run on The Hulk was the one of best in comics history. I compare it to Byrne's FF, McFarlane's Spider-man and Walt Simonson's Thor.

...and yes, "Planet Hulk" kicks ass!

uPtoWnNY said:

i have most of that peter david run of the hulk...that was with all the great cover paintings/movie poster parodies and whatnot, right? that was great stuff.

Anx said:

Joe Fixit was my favorite version of the Hulk. I have every issue too. It doesn't get any better than issue# 341 - Wolverine & the grey Hulk tearing each other apart.

uPtoWnNY said:

I read the new Planet Hulk last night and that shit was bannanas! It was like Hulk turned into Conan The Destroyer or something it was so good it was ridiculous....

Sinister said:

I'll buy almost any comic Peter David writes (I read a few issues of Spyboy, but bypassed it for the most part). His Supergirl series was very underrated. And the new X-Factor is right up there with his best stuff. Who would have thought I would care about a lame-ass character like Rictor?