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superspaceboy

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FINALLY! TWIN PEAKS SEASON 2 ON DVD - APRIL 10!



Not sure if it's one or one of two sets as they may drag it out. But this is good news!!!

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Reply #1 posted 12/27/06 9:38am

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'bout gat damn time!

woot!
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Reply #2 posted 12/27/06 9:52am

HamsterHuey

npgmaverick said:

'bout gat damn time!

woot!


damn' right
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Reply #3 posted 12/27/06 10:14am

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I really hope they do as good a job as the first season was.

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Reply #4 posted 12/27/06 10:23am

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woot!

Now I can bother buying both!!
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Reply #5 posted 12/27/06 10:39am

SnakePeel

YESS!!!!!

and I hear that there will be a soundtrack CD accompanying the DVDs. Which is awesome--I've always wanted that song that James, Maddy and Donna sing ("Just You and I").

That gum I like is going to now come back in style!
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Reply #6 posted 12/27/06 10:46am

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I hope they fix the end of Season 1 so that it's the way it was on TV

I watched this on VHS and they altered the ending of season 1 to wrap it up mad
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Reply #7 posted 12/27/06 10:51am

Natisse

eek woot! woot! woot!
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Reply #8 posted 12/27/06 11:05am

SnakePeel

NDRU said:

I hope they fix the end of Season 1 so that it's the way it was on TV

I watched this on VHS and they altered the ending of season 1 to wrap it up mad



No, actually that was a TV movie version that was filmed by Lynch in case the series wasn't picked up. That video isn't really considered part of the Twin Peaks canon.
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Reply #9 posted 12/27/06 11:23am

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SnakePeel said:

NDRU said:

I hope they fix the end of Season 1 so that it's the way it was on TV

I watched this on VHS and they altered the ending of season 1 to wrap it up mad



No, actually that was a TV movie version that was filmed by Lynch in case the series wasn't picked up. That video isn't really considered part of the Twin Peaks canon.


If you get the Pilot (Import) and Season One, they match right up. At least mine do.

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Reply #10 posted 12/27/06 11:26am

NDRU

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SnakePeel said:

NDRU said:

I hope they fix the end of Season 1 so that it's the way it was on TV

I watched this on VHS and they altered the ending of season 1 to wrap it up mad



No, actually that was a TV movie version that was filmed by Lynch in case the series wasn't picked up. That video isn't really considered part of the Twin Peaks canon.


It was completely wrong, since it solved the mystery in a completely different way.

Most of the episodes on tape were the same as the TV show, but not the last one.
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Reply #11 posted 12/27/06 11:31am

SnakePeel

NDRU said:

SnakePeel said:




No, actually that was a TV movie version that was filmed by Lynch in case the series wasn't picked up. That video isn't really considered part of the Twin Peaks canon.


It was completely wrong, since it solved the mystery in a completely different way.

Most of the episodes on tape were the same as the TV show, but not the last one.


Let's make sure we're talking about the same episode. Does this one end with Cooper and Truman entering the basement of the hospital to find BOB dancing around a circle of candles?
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Reply #12 posted 12/27/06 11:42am

elARPA

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"DAMN fine cup of coffe"
All your org are belong to us
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Reply #13 posted 12/27/06 11:43am

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Sorry this is long...but it answers the question regarding the pilot



E10. What is the "European" version of the pilot?

Before TP was sold to ABC as a series, Lynch/Frost raised
money to finance the production of the pilot episode by
signing a contract with Warner Home Video. The contract
gave Warner Home Video the rights to sell the pilot episode
as a movie on video in Europe (not knowing whether the pilot
would result in a series, Warner wanted to ensure they could
make their money back.) In order to sell it as a movie, the
contract stipulated that the pilot must stand on its own and
have a "closed ending" where the murder of Laura Palmer was
resolved.

Lynch/Frost had planned for and expected the pilot to be
picked up and turned into a series, and thus had not written
such a resolution for the pilot. When, during the filming
of the pilot, they were reminded of their contractual
obligation, they filmed the ending described below and gave
Warner Home Video their "standalone" European movie, even
though the ending did not make much sense and does not jibe
with events in the TV series.

Parts of the European movie ending were used later in edited
form for the dream sequence at the end of episode 2. (In
fact, you will notice that the summary of his dream that
Cooper gives Lucy and Harry at the beginning of episode 3
includes events that are portrayed in the European pilot
ending, but not in Cooper's dream as shown in episode 2!)

Lynch thinks the famous scene in the Red Room is one of his
best pieces of work, and that is probably one reason why he
chose to include it as the final scene of episode 2. The
original script for episode 2 is almost a verbatim copy of
the European movie ending, including even more of it than is
in the broadcast version. The copied parts were edited to
make it clear that Cooper is having a dream/vision, rather
than actually experiencing the events. So the reaction cuts
of Truman, etc. in the European movie ending, are replaced
in episode 2 by shots of Coop tossing and turning in his
sleep.

When ABC bought the series, the video rights to the
broadcast episodes went to Worldvision (a division of
Spelling Entertainment, which had been closely affiliated
with ABC), but the video rights to the pilot remained with
Warner Home Video. This is why only the European movie
version of the pilot is available commercially. Making
'lemonade out of a lemon', Warner Home Video marketed their
version of the pilot as providing an "alternate resolution"
to Laura's murder than that provided in the TV series.

Although a great deal of the footage from the European movie
ending was incorporated into the TV series, most in the TP
fan community feel the ending, while interesting as an
historical artifact, is not germane to the "real" TP story
as developed in the TV series.

The European movie ending should probably be avoided if you
are watching the TV series for the first time. There is a
"catch 22", though: you should see the pilot before watching
the first TV episode for important background information
and context, but the broadcast version of the pilot is not
available commercially (see question G4). If you cannot
borrow a copy of the broadcast pilot version from someone,
you can easily "edit" the video version, while watching it,
as follows:

- About 90 minutes into the movie, after Sheriff Truman
introduces Cooper to Lucy's nightly donut spread, and the
jail scene with James, Bobby, and Mike, there is a scene
where the Sheriff visits Josie.

"It must have happened right around this time yesterday,"
Truman says to Josie.

"I'm afraid," Josie says.

Next there is a shot of the traffic light, blowing in the
breeze.

- Stop the movie at the next scene where we see Laura's
mother sitting by herself on the sofa, smoking. Up until
this point, the movie and broadcast pilot are identical.

- There is only one additional scene in the broadcast pilot
not shown in the movie: Laura's mother has a vision of a
gloved hand digging the heart necklace from the ground where
Donna and James buried it (you'll know the necklace I mean
when you've seen the rest).

Now, for those who have seen the series, but not the
"European" version of the pilot, here is a short description
of the added scenes:

- Sarah remembers seeing BOB crouching at the foot of
Laura's bed that morning. She screams and tells Leland what
she remembered.

- There is a scene of Lucy and Andy getting ready for bed
(!). Leland calls Lucy, tells her about Sarah's sudden
memory, and asks her where the Sheriff is. Lucy calls the
Sheriff in his cruiser. He tells her to have Hawk meet him
at the Palmer's house to make a sketch of the man Sarah
remembered.

- Agent Cooper, asleep in his hotel room, is awakened by the
phone. Mike, the one-armed man, is on the other end, and
tells Cooper that the man who killed Laura is at the
hospital. Then Lucy calls Cooper and tells him what is
happening at the Palmer house. Cooper asks Lucy to tell the
Sheriff to bring the sketch and meet him at the hospital.

- Cooper and the Sheriff find Mike at the hospital. Mike
recites the poem and his confession (from Cooper's dream in
episode #2). Cooper asks Mike to identify the killer from
the sketch. He does and tells them BOB is in the basement
of the hospital.

- They find BOB kneeling next to a circle of 12 burning
candles. He invites them in, asks if Mike is with them,
repeats some of the dialogue from Cooper's dream in episode
2, including "Catch you with my death bag".

- The Sheriff asks BOB what the letters were going to spell,
and BOB replies:

BOB: Robert. That's my proper name. Theresa's was with a
T.
Cooper: That's right.
BOB: You may think I've gone insane, but I promise you: I
will kill again!
Mike runs into room and yells: Like hell!

- Mike shoots BOB twice. BOB crumples to the floor. Mike
falls to the floor in agony.

- Cooper says "Make a wish" and the candles are blown out.

- Cut to the Red Room. Caption says: Twenty-five year later

- Rest of scene is identical to Red Room scene of Cooper's
dream in episode 2. As the Little Man dances, the end
credits run.

As mentioned above, this ending does NOT relate to the
action in the other episodes of the series (as far as we can
tell), except for the parts that appear in Cooper's dream in
episode 2.

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #14 posted 12/27/06 11:44am

Natisse

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"DAMN fine cup of coffe"


thumbs up!
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Reply #15 posted 12/27/06 11:49am

superspaceboy

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BTW...I own the Pilot (Import) and Season One. They are seemless and the Pilot doesn't have the wierd ending.

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #16 posted 12/27/06 11:55am

NDRU

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elARPA said:

"DAMN fine cup of coffe"


And HOT, too!

Black as midnight on a moonless night.
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Reply #17 posted 12/27/06 11:57am

NDRU

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superspaceboy said:

BTW...I own the Pilot (Import) and Season One. They are seemless and the Pilot doesn't have the wierd ending.


The one I watched had the weird ending not in the Pilot, but the end of season one--sorry I didn't read that long post above which probably explained everything.
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Reply #18 posted 12/27/06 11:58am

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superspaceboy said:

Sorry this is long...but it answers the question regarding the pilot



E10. What is the "European" version of the pilot?

Before TP was sold to ABC as a series, Lynch/Frost raised
money to finance the production of the pilot episode by
signing a contract with Warner Home Video. The contract
gave Warner Home Video the rights to sell the pilot episode
as a movie on video in Europe (not knowing whether the pilot
would result in a series, Warner wanted to ensure they could
make their money back.) In order to sell it as a movie, the
contract stipulated that the pilot must stand on its own and
have a "closed ending" where the murder of Laura Palmer was
resolved.

Lynch/Frost had planned for and expected the pilot to be
picked up and turned into a series, and thus had not written
such a resolution for the pilot. When, during the filming
of the pilot, they were reminded of their contractual
obligation, they filmed the ending described below and gave
Warner Home Video their "standalone" European movie, even
though the ending did not make much sense and does not jibe
with events in the TV series.

Parts of the European movie ending were used later in edited
form for the dream sequence at the end of episode 2. (In
fact, you will notice that the summary of his dream that
Cooper gives Lucy and Harry at the beginning of episode 3
includes events that are portrayed in the European pilot
ending, but not in Cooper's dream as shown in episode 2!)

Lynch thinks the famous scene in the Red Room is one of his
best pieces of work, and that is probably one reason why he
chose to include it as the final scene of episode 2. The
original script for episode 2 is almost a verbatim copy of
the European movie ending, including even more of it than is
in the broadcast version. The copied parts were edited to
make it clear that Cooper is having a dream/vision, rather
than actually experiencing the events. So the reaction cuts
of Truman, etc. in the European movie ending, are replaced
in episode 2 by shots of Coop tossing and turning in his
sleep.

When ABC bought the series, the video rights to the
broadcast episodes went to Worldvision (a division of
Spelling Entertainment, which had been closely affiliated
with ABC), but the video rights to the pilot remained with
Warner Home Video. This is why only the European movie
version of the pilot is available commercially. Making
'lemonade out of a lemon', Warner Home Video marketed their
version of the pilot as providing an "alternate resolution"
to Laura's murder than that provided in the TV series.

Although a great deal of the footage from the European movie
ending was incorporated into the TV series, most in the TP
fan community feel the ending, while interesting as an
historical artifact, is not germane to the "real" TP story
as developed in the TV series.

The European movie ending should probably be avoided if you
are watching the TV series for the first time. There is a
"catch 22", though: you should see the pilot before watching
the first TV episode for important background information
and context, but the broadcast version of the pilot is not
available commercially (see question G4). If you cannot
borrow a copy of the broadcast pilot version from someone,
you can easily "edit" the video version, while watching it,
as follows:

- About 90 minutes into the movie, after Sheriff Truman
introduces Cooper to Lucy's nightly donut spread, and the
jail scene with James, Bobby, and Mike, there is a scene
where the Sheriff visits Josie.

"It must have happened right around this time yesterday,"
Truman says to Josie.

"I'm afraid," Josie says.

Next there is a shot of the traffic light, blowing in the
breeze.

- Stop the movie at the next scene where we see Laura's
mother sitting by herself on the sofa, smoking. Up until
this point, the movie and broadcast pilot are identical.

- There is only one additional scene in the broadcast pilot
not shown in the movie: Laura's mother has a vision of a
gloved hand digging the heart necklace from the ground where
Donna and James buried it (you'll know the necklace I mean
when you've seen the rest).

Now, for those who have seen the series, but not the
"European" version of the pilot, here is a short description
of the added scenes:

- Sarah remembers seeing BOB crouching at the foot of
Laura's bed that morning. She screams and tells Leland what
she remembered.

- There is a scene of Lucy and Andy getting ready for bed
(!). Leland calls Lucy, tells her about Sarah's sudden
memory, and asks her where the Sheriff is. Lucy calls the
Sheriff in his cruiser. He tells her to have Hawk meet him
at the Palmer's house to make a sketch of the man Sarah
remembered.

- Agent Cooper, asleep in his hotel room, is awakened by the
phone. Mike, the one-armed man, is on the other end, and
tells Cooper that the man who killed Laura is at the
hospital. Then Lucy calls Cooper and tells him what is
happening at the Palmer house. Cooper asks Lucy to tell the
Sheriff to bring the sketch and meet him at the hospital.

- Cooper and the Sheriff find Mike at the hospital. Mike
recites the poem and his confession (from Cooper's dream in
episode #2). Cooper asks Mike to identify the killer from
the sketch. He does and tells them BOB is in the basement
of the hospital.

- They find BOB kneeling next to a circle of 12 burning
candles. He invites them in, asks if Mike is with them,
repeats some of the dialogue from Cooper's dream in episode
2, including "Catch you with my death bag".

- The Sheriff asks BOB what the letters were going to spell,
and BOB replies:

BOB: Robert. That's my proper name. Theresa's was with a
T.
Cooper: That's right.
BOB: You may think I've gone insane, but I promise you: I
will kill again!
Mike runs into room and yells: Like hell!

- Mike shoots BOB twice. BOB crumples to the floor. Mike
falls to the floor in agony.

- Cooper says "Make a wish" and the candles are blown out.

- Cut to the Red Room. Caption says: Twenty-five year later

- Rest of scene is identical to Red Room scene of Cooper's
dream in episode 2. As the Little Man dances, the end
credits run.

As mentioned above, this ending does NOT relate to the
action in the other episodes of the series (as far as we can
tell), except for the parts that appear in Cooper's dream in
episode 2.


weird!!

I've never seen all that before.
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Spookymuffin

excited
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