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PrintableHiinEnkelte said: HereToRockYourWorld said: The first time somebody told me that, I got really mad. I was just like, "no, it doesn't."
Somebody explain to death what you mean by a limit in this case. K? Because something still isn't clicking for me.  glad to see you in my court of disbelief!
i was mad too! and pleaded my case right to the grade school teacher! i'm afraid my case against it is essentially the same as it was then. 
what ever happened to the infinitesimal!??? why can't we just say it is short of 1 by the infinitesimal? don't things really move in the world? don't they really accelerate?! how so, without the reality of the infinitesimal? or are we back stuck with Zeno, in a world where motion in logically impossible? oh i guess i do understand, and am just being a sour puss.  Yeah, I'm with you in Sourpuss Land. Would there be anything worse for a math teacher than having a philosopher in class? "Shut up, do the math, it works." oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HiinEnkelte said: NDRU said: I'm starting to understand this. It's all about infinity. When you look at .999... it's hard to appreciate that the 9's literally go infinitely--not a hundered decimal places, and not a million, but forever. That's the only way the equasions work. And even if (as I believe) the number is infinitely smaller than 1, that really still equals one for all intents & purposes. Once you actually get to infinity (which never happens, but if you could) you'd have 1. yes, BUT: counting sequentially one 9 at a time, does an infinite amount of time of adding 9s get you any closer to an infinite number of 9s? i say no, it gets you no closer at all to .99999 ad infinitum, than does the simple ol' number .999 is 50 closer to infinity than 5?
they are both short by the same amount, -infinity. sure, but that's kind of what I'm getting at. it's a mistake to think of getting closer to infinity, because that means you're still thinking finitely. You can only think of being at infinity, which is the place where .999...=1 [Edited 12/28/06 10:59am] My Legacy
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NDRU said: HiinEnkelte said: yes, BUT: counting sequentially one 9 at a time, does an infinite amount of time of adding 9s get you any closer to an infinite number of 9s? i say no, it gets you no closer at all to .99999 ad infinitum, than does the simple ol' number .999 is 50 closer to infinity than 5?
they are both short by the same amount, -infinity. sure, but that's kind of what I'm getting at. .999 isn't 1 and .999...one million decimal...999 isn't 1. But while it's not closer to infinity it is closer to 1. saying that you're closer to infinity is thinking finitely, and .999... only=1 when you get to infinity, which never happens [Edited 12/28/06 10:56am] And there you go.  | |
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Whoever invented the decimal point has a lot to answer for 
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This is way too sensitive a subject for me. | |
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Steadwood said: Whoever invented the decimal point has a lot to answer for
I think he stole the idea from the same guy who invented the period ( who by the way, stole that idea from the same guy who invented the dot). | |
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Illustrator said: This is way too sensitive a subject for me.
oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Illustrator said: Steadwood said: Whoever invented the decimal point has a lot to answer for
I think he stole the idea from the same guy who invented the period ( who by the way, stole that idea from the same guy who invented the dot). So he was thief as well eh 
... I hope they caught him and flogged him repeatedly ..... .99999 times
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Hey folks, there's a `Prince v's MJ` thread over in P:M+M that's nearer to resolution if you fancy it!
http://www.prince.org/msg/7/212466 | |
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so if you saw a cd for sale at 9.99 pounds/ dollars currency dont matter and you you gave them a 10 note you would expect change. so that.01 does matter. | |
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