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PrintableDarkKnight1 said: Graycap23 said: I played ball for 25 years. Iverson is a GUNNNNN period. Career 39% shooter. I'll will agree that he has NOT had much of a team but he is the MAIN reason 4 that. No one wants 2 play with the guy. Ridiculous. First of all, he was is a career 42% shooter. Lest we forget the MVP and trip to the finals where the best teammates were Mutombo, Eric Snow, and Aaron Mckie. If it werent for the Shaq and Kobe Lakers, he would have his title. If he had the height of Jordan or Kobe, with his first step and relentlessness, 3 titles wouldve already been his. The Sixers have never surrounded him with enough talent. A no defense playin Stackhouse, an old Webber, Larry "empty numbers" Hughes, too many other spares to be mentioned. This mess is Philly's fault, not AI's If? If?.....If U get 6 numbers in the lottery U would be rich. If.....that's funny. Thanks 4 the laugh. 39%, 42%...same difference. He missed way more that he MAKES. | |
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Sinister said: Graycap23 said: Isiah Thomas John Lucas Tiny Archiball Calvin Murphy .....should I go on? None of them did what Iverson does. My exact statement was...."Let me know if you can find a under 6'0 175 pound guard that can do what Iverson does and shoot a percentage higher than 42% consistanly. I would love to read about him." Did any of them win a scoring title? Did any of them have to as a small man carry a franchise for about a decade alone? Did any of them have a career average of 28.0 points a game, 6.0 assists, 4.0 rebounds and 2.34 steals over their career? You just listed small guys that played the game at a high level. None of them equal Iverson...Isiah included. Not to mention no one asked of them what the Sixers have asked of Iverson over his career. Im not even debating this with you cause im an Iverson fan. Im a fan of the game...you cannot dismiss him as just some gunner. He is a will be in the Hall of Fame at some point im sure. You don't like him that's cool...to each his/her own but you shouldn't dismiss him so easily. Do u know the history of NBA basketball? | |
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: None of them did what Iverson does. My exact statement was...."Let me know if you can find a under 6'0 175 pound guard that can do what Iverson does and shoot a percentage higher than 42% consistanly. I would love to read about him." Did any of them win a scoring title? Did any of them have to as a small man carry a franchise for about a decade alone? Did any of them have a career average of 28.0 points a game, 6.0 assists, 4.0 rebounds and 2.34 steals over their career? You just listed small guys that played the game at a high level. None of them equal Iverson...Isiah included. Not to mention no one asked of them what the Sixers have asked of Iverson over his career. Im not even debating this with you cause im an Iverson fan. Im a fan of the game...you cannot dismiss him as just some gunner. He is a will be in the Hall of Fame at some point im sure. You don't like him that's cool...to each his/her own but you shouldn't dismiss him so easily. Do u know the history of NBA basketball? You seem to know more than me so enlighten me. Or are you just going to answer peoples answers with questions? Cause like Tiny Archibald Iverson won a scoring title no he did not beat Tiny's one season where he led the league in scoring and assists...but Tiny did not put up those numbers every year. Every year Iverson scoring numbers were insane...not just 1 or 2 great years EVERY year. With not a hall of fame player near any of his teams. At this point you seem to be more interested in baiting and sarcasim than proving your point. [Edited 12/12/06 7:35am] clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: None of them did what Iverson does. My exact statement was...."Let me know if you can find a under 6'0 175 pound guard that can do what Iverson does and shoot a percentage higher than 42% consistanly. I would love to read about him." Did any of them win a scoring title? Did any of them have to as a small man carry a franchise for about a decade alone? Did any of them have a career average of 28.0 points a game, 6.0 assists, 4.0 rebounds and 2.34 steals over their career? You just listed small guys that played the game at a high level. None of them equal Iverson...Isiah included. Not to mention no one asked of them what the Sixers have asked of Iverson over his career. Im not even debating this with you cause im an Iverson fan. Im a fan of the game...you cannot dismiss him as just some gunner. He is a will be in the Hall of Fame at some point im sure. You don't like him that's cool...to each his/her own but you shouldn't dismiss him so easily. Do u know the history of NBA basketball? Do you? Earlier in this thread you said "This guy will NEVER win anything close 2 a title or championship" but being as he has played in the NBA Finals I would say that is surely close. | |
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lovemachine said: Graycap23 said: Do u know the history of NBA basketball? Do you? Earlier in this thread you said "This guy will NEVER win anything close 2 a title or championship" but being as he has played in the NBA Finals I would say that is surely close. I NEVER elaized that LOSING in the Finals 4 games to 1 was close to WINNING. My fault. | |
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Now the rumor is that minnesota is looking to trade Ricky Davis. I think Phily would like to have a player like him. Iverson would be a great fit with KG. I don't think Iverson would go to any team that didn't have a chance to win. I think goldenstate and the kings can be ruled out. The only other teams I could see him playing for would be the Rockets, Miami, Chicago, Denver, Cavs. I think Lebron and Iverson would be unstoppable! whoever gets Iverson will have to give up alot to get him. What team has a lot to give up, but will still have enough talent left to play with Iverson? | |
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Graycap23 said: lovemachine said: Do you? Earlier in this thread you said "This guy will NEVER win anything close 2 a title or championship" but being as he has played in the NBA Finals I would say that is surely close. I NEVER elaized that LOSING in the Finals 4 games to 1 was close to WINNING. My fault. You are looking like a no-it-all ass on this thread. Others opinions aren't valid only yours because apparantly you KNOW the history of NBA basketball. Personally I don't think you know jack about anything because people who don't know much tend to put down peoples opinions with statements like "Do you know NBA history". I laugh at people like you (perhaps you should go back to pretending you know Prince). [Edited 12/12/06 7:59am] | |
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Graycap23 said: lovemachine said: Do you? Earlier in this thread you said "This guy will NEVER win anything close 2 a title or championship" but being as he has played in the NBA Finals I would say that is surely close. I NEVER elaized that LOSING in the Finals 4 games to 1 was close to WINNING. My fault. It's closer than any other team in the east came that year. | |
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lovemachine said: Graycap23 said: I NEVER elaized that LOSING in the Finals 4 games to 1 was close to WINNING. My fault. You are looking like a no-it-all ass on this thread. Others opinions aren't valid only yours because apparantly you KNOW the history of NBA basketball. Interestimg. I never said your opinion was no valid. That's on U. | |
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Graycap23 said: lovemachine said: You are looking like a no-it-all ass on this thread. Others opinions aren't valid only yours because apparantly you KNOW the history of NBA basketball. Interestimg. I never said your opinion was no valid. That's on U. I'm talking about Sinister. I haven't really expressed an opinion (except about you). [Edited 12/12/06 8:01am] | |
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Sinister said: Graycap23 said: Do u know the history of NBA basketball? You seem to know more than me so enlighten me. Or are you just going to answer peoples answers with questions? Cause like Tiny Archibald Iverson won a scoring title no he did not beat Tiny's one season where he led the league in scoring and assists...but Tiny did not put up those numbers every year. Every year Iverson scoring numbers were insane...not just 1 or 2 great years EVERY year. With not a hall of fame player near any of his teams. At this point you seem to be more interested in baiting and sarcasim than proving your point. [Edited 12/12/06 7:35am] Question. What NBA player CAN'T average 30 plus points a game shooting the ball 30 times a game? | |
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Sinister said: Graycap23 said: Do u know the history of NBA basketball? You seem to know more than me so enlighten me. Or are you just going to answer peoples answers with questions? Cause like Tiny Archibald Iverson won a scoring title no he did not beat Tiny's one season where he led the league in scoring and assists...but Tiny did not put up those numbers every year. Every year Iverson scoring numbers were insane...not just 1 or 2 great years EVERY year. With not a hall of fame player near any of his teams. At this point you seem to be more interested in baiting and sarcasim than proving your point. [Edited 12/12/06 7:35am] My point is already proven. 11 years, no rings, and a low % shooter whom NO one wants 2 play with. | |
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: You seem to know more than me so enlighten me. Or are you just going to answer peoples answers with questions? Cause like Tiny Archibald Iverson won a scoring title no he did not beat Tiny's one season where he led the league in scoring and assists...but Tiny did not put up those numbers every year. Every year Iverson scoring numbers were insane...not just 1 or 2 great years EVERY year. With not a hall of fame player near any of his teams. At this point you seem to be more interested in baiting and sarcasim than proving your point. [Edited 12/12/06 7:35am] Question. What NBA player CAN'T average 30 plus points a game shooting the ball 30 times a game? For the record he is taking 24.4 shots a game this year which is slightly higher then his career average of 23.3 a game (Jordan averaged 22.8 for his career). . [Edited 12/12/06 8:08am] | |
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lovemachine said: Graycap23 said: Question. What NBA player CAN'T average 30 plus points a game shooting the ball 30 times a game? For the record he is taking 24.4 shots a game this year which is slightly higher then his career average of 23.3 a game. [Edited 12/12/06 8:07am] I'll rephrase the question. What NBA player can't average 30 points a game this SEASON shooting the ball 24.4 times a game? | |
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: You seem to know more than me so enlighten me. Or are you just going to answer peoples answers with questions? Cause like Tiny Archibald Iverson won a scoring title no he did not beat Tiny's one season where he led the league in scoring and assists...but Tiny did not put up those numbers every year. Every year Iverson scoring numbers were insane...not just 1 or 2 great years EVERY year. With not a hall of fame player near any of his teams. At this point you seem to be more interested in baiting and sarcasim than proving your point. [Edited 12/12/06 7:35am] My point is already proven. 11 years, no rings, and a low % shooter whom NO one wants 2 play with. Omg your right...like Charles Barkely and Karl Malone Iverson never won a ring...Yeah he's garbage like the those other 2...No one wanted Barkley in Phili either cause well he must suck... And since Steve Kerr has more rings than all of them that makes him one of the greatest guards of all time...and man did he ever have a great shooting percentage... Im just glad you came along to tell me what makes a great basketball player... clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: Graycap23 said: My point is already proven. 11 years, no rings, and a low % shooter whom NO one wants 2 play with. Omg your right...like Charles Barkely and Karl Malone Iverson never won a ring...Yeah he's garbage like the those other 2...No one wanted Barkley in Phili either cause well he must suck... And since Steve Kerr has more rings than all of them that makes him one of the greatest guards of all time...and man did he ever have a great shooting percentage... Im just glad you came along to tell me what makes a great basketball player... U are comparing Iverson 2 Charles and Malone? That's laughable. Those are GREAT players, Iverson is just a GUNNNNN. he has skills, but a GUNNNNN no the less. | |
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: You seem to know more than me so enlighten me. Or are you just going to answer peoples answers with questions? Cause like Tiny Archibald Iverson won a scoring title no he did not beat Tiny's one season where he led the league in scoring and assists...but Tiny did not put up those numbers every year. Every year Iverson scoring numbers were insane...not just 1 or 2 great years EVERY year. With not a hall of fame player near any of his teams. At this point you seem to be more interested in baiting and sarcasim than proving your point. [Edited 12/12/06 7:35am] Question. What NBA player CAN'T average 30 plus points a game shooting the ball 30 times a game? I don't have time to do the research right now but I am guessing there are a few players who average close to 24 shots a game but don't average 30 because they can't get to the line like he does. He averages 10 points a game from the line. | |
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lovemachine said: Graycap23 said: Question. What NBA player CAN'T average 30 plus points a game shooting the ball 30 times a game? I don't have time to do the research right now but I am guessing there are a few players who average close to 24 shots a game but don't average 30 because they can't get to the line like he does. He averages 10 points a game from the line. If any player is JACKING the ball up that many times a game, he will draw fouls. | |
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: Omg your right...like Charles Barkely and Karl Malone Iverson never won a ring...Yeah he's garbage like the those other 2...No one wanted Barkley in Phili either cause well he must suck... And since Steve Kerr has more rings than all of them that makes him one of the greatest guards of all time...and man did he ever have a great shooting percentage... Im just glad you came along to tell me what makes a great basketball player... U are comparing Iverson 2 Charles and Malone? That's laughable. Those are GREAT players, Iverson is just a GUNNNNN. he has skills, but a GUNNNNN no the less. But wait..Those 2 didn't win titles...they have to suck right? I mean Malone had an awesome shooting percentage *cough 6'11 power forward* cough* but his constant choking in big games aside he must suck cause no title right? Barkley same thing must suck...I recall Phili had a problem with his attitude and image...terrible player...good FG percentage tho...but no title...he sucks too. Isn't that how you guage NBA success Gray? Your last statement is a little contridicting. clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sinister said: Graycap23 said: U are comparing Iverson 2 Charles and Malone? That's laughable. Those are GREAT players, Iverson is just a GUNNNNN. he has skills, but a GUNNNNN no the less. But wait..Those 2 didn't win titles...they have to suck right? I mean Malone had an awesome shooting percentage *cough 6'11 power forward* cough* but his constant choking in big games aside he must suck cause no title right? Barkley same thing must suck...I recall Phili had a problem with his attitude and image...terrible player...good FG percentage tho...but no title...he sucks too. Isn't that how you guage NBA success Gray? Your last statement is a little contridicting. My problem is with Iverson. he is a GUNNNNN period. Does he have good talent? Yes. Does he shoot 2 much? Yes.....just becuase u don't have a title does NOT mean u are NOT a great player. That's DUMB logic. I'm speaking strickly about Iverson. | |
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Graycap23 said: lovemachine said: For the record he is taking 24.4 shots a game this year which is slightly higher then his career average of 23.3 a game. [Edited 12/12/06 8:07am] I'll rephrase the question. What NBA player can't average 30 points a game this SEASON shooting the ball 24.4 times a game? The enitire Golden State roster.....it sucks being a Warrior fan....  .
Actually Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Monta Ellis are pretty good. "Always blessings, never losses......"
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Graycap23 said: Sinister said: But wait..Those 2 didn't win titles...they have to suck right? I mean Malone had an awesome shooting percentage *cough 6'11 power forward* cough* but his constant choking in big games aside he must suck cause no title right? Barkley same thing must suck...I recall Phili had a problem with his attitude and image...terrible player...good FG percentage tho...but no title...he sucks too. Isn't that how you guage NBA success Gray? Your last statement is a little contridicting. My problem is with Iverson. he is a GUNNNNN period. Does he have good talent? Yes. Does he shoot 2 much? Yes.....just becuase u don't have a title does NOT mean u are NOT a great player. That's DUMB logic. I'm speaking strickly about Iverson. Ok I think I got it...Kobe and Jordan are guns but they are ok cause they shoot a high percentage *cough 6'6 guards* cough* and have championships. Iverson sucks cause he shoots a low percentage and shoots 25 to 30 times a game cause he is the only scoring option on his team (and that is what they ask him to do every night). And his image is bad. I think I got it now. Thanks for the debate. Have a great day  clever clever quotation - attention getting quote - sad yet witty remark - look at me! Im deep quote- song lyric about my ex cause that bitch stole my mp3 player! - line from movie I liked - Prince lyric - not very clever sig mocking other sigs | |
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Sowhat said: Graycap23 said: I'll rephrase the question. What NBA player can't average 30 points a game this SEASON shooting the ball 24.4 times a game? The enitire Golden State roster.....it sucks being a Warrior fan.... .
Actually Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Monta Ellis are pretty good. And half the damn knicks | |
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DanceWme said: Sowhat said: The enitire Golden State roster.....it sucks being a Warrior fan.... .
Actually Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Monta Ellis are pretty good. And half the damn knicks Poor Knicks. 
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DanceWme said: Sowhat said: The enitire Golden State roster.....it sucks being a Warrior fan.... .
Actually Baron Davis, Jason Richardson and Monta Ellis are pretty good. And half the damn knicks
I feel your pain! "Always blessings, never losses......"
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sextonseven said: DanceWme said: And half the damn knicks Poor Knicks.
Isiah is sure to lose his job at the end of the season. I damn sure hope so...we couldve beat the celtics last night  | |
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Sinister said: Graycap23 said: My problem is with Iverson. he is a GUNNNNN period. Does he have good talent? Yes. Does he shoot 2 much? Yes.....just becuase u don't have a title does NOT mean u are NOT a great player. That's DUMB logic. I'm speaking strickly about Iverson. Ok I think I got it...Kobe and Jordan are guns but they are ok cause they shoot a high percentage *cough 6'6 guards* cough* and have championships. Iverson sucks cause he shoots a low percentage and shoots 25 to 30 times a game cause he is the only scoring option on his team (and that is what they ask him to do every night). And his image is bad. I think I got it now. Thanks for the debate. Have a great day Interesting that u keep talking about everyone BUT Iverson. It's all good. If u like the cat, good 4 u. I'm NOT mad at u 4 liking Iverson. | |
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DanceWme said: sextonseven said: Poor Knicks.
Isiah is sure to lose his job at the end of the season. I damn sure hope so...we couldve beat the celtics last night I was watching the Nets game last night. I stopped tolerating all these Knicks losing seasons a long time ago. | |
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Seriously Allen Iverson can come to the Knicks if we get this guy back
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