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Reply #30 posted 08/30/02 12:31am

Snap

My actions are based on a set of electro-chemical messages in my nervous system that direct my action.

Where do these messages come from? And why aren't they random messages that cause random actions?
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Reply #31 posted 08/30/02 1:20am

vgallo6

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Yes i believe in an afterlife. When i die i will go to Heaven.
Peace and Love!
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Reply #32 posted 08/30/02 6:00am

AbucahX

For me, persoanlly, it's hard for me not to believe that there is a God. Look at how complex our body operates, look at the complexity of nature. What makes out heartbeat? What moves those electro chemical messages? How is it that there is so much order in our body and in nature?
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Reply #33 posted 08/30/02 11:34am

XxAxX

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yes
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Reply #34 posted 08/30/02 11:35am

thechronic

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yes going to that club tonight
" could I be... the most beautiful man in the world! plain to see, i"m the reason that God made a man!"UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GRADUATE! VERY PRESTIGIOUS!
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Reply #35 posted 08/31/02 10:12am

SensualMelody

This is a very good question.
I would not call what I believe in an afterlife.
I believe that it was the Creator's purpose that
man enjoy life unending.
I believe that the Creator's purpose will be
realized.
That is why there exists this word in our vocabulary:

Resurrection

I believe that there will be a resurrecion of the
dead to a happy life in a paradise right here on
earth. So for those who have lost loved ones in death,
the bible holds out a beautiful hope.

"And God will wipe out all tears from their eyes, and
death will be no more, neither will sorrow, nor pain
nor outcry be anymore."

The bible does not teach that the soul continues to live at death,
nor that souls will be tormented in a firey hell.
As a matter of fact the bible says that death and hell
(hell or Hades simply being the grave)
will be thrown into the Lake of Fire...Then the bible
goes on to say that "this is the second death"...the
Lake of Fire. In other words, the lake of fire
is a deeper death from which there is no restoration.

Anyone who has lost a loved one in death can take comfort
in knowing that the person is sleeping or resting now,
with the prospect of living again. Jesus said "do not
marvel at this...the hour is coming when all those in
the memorial tombs will hear his name and come out..."

This is what I believe.

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Reply #36 posted 08/31/02 10:30am

SensualMelody

Snap said:

We are not at the mercy of our brains.



Melody said:

Snap...you are truly deep...beautifully deep.

Keep speaking it...

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Reply #37 posted 08/31/02 4:04pm

Mr7

SensualMelody said:

This is a very good question.
I would not call what I believe in an afterlife.
I believe that it was the Creator's purpose that
man enjoy life unending.
I believe that the Creator's purpose will be
realized.
That is why there exists this word in our vocabulary:

Resurrection

I believe that there will be a resurrecion of the
dead to a happy life in a paradise right here on
earth. So for those who have lost loved ones in death,
the bible holds out a beautiful hope.

"And God will wipe out all tears from their eyes, and
death will be no more, neither will sorrow, nor pain
nor outcry be anymore."

The bible does not teach that the soul continues to live at death,
nor that souls will be tormented in a firey hell.
As a matter of fact the bible says that death and hell
(hell or Hades simply being the grave)
will be thrown into the Lake of Fire...Then the bible
goes on to say that "this is the second death"...the
Lake of Fire. In other words, the lake of fire
is a deeper death from which there is no restoration.

Anyone who has lost a loved one in death can take comfort
in knowing that the person is sleeping or resting now,
with the prospect of living again. Jesus said "do not
marvel at this...the hour is coming when all those in
the memorial tombs will hear his name and come out..."

This is what I believe.

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Me 2
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Reply #38 posted 08/31/02 4:17pm

teller

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IceNine said:

slm4m said:

why?



Because I do not believe in ideas of heaven, hell, a soul, the afterlife, etc.

All that I am is bound up in the physiological structures of the brain. My actions are based on a set of electro-chemical messages in my nervous system that direct my action. When I die, the electrical current will leave my body and my brain will cease to function... thus I will be gone.

Implying that life after death exists is to assume the existence of a soul and therefore to discount the importance of the brain. Since all of my behaviors are produced and governed by the brain, the destruction of the brain will cause all of my traits to die as well.

We all know that injury to the brain can render a person so very different personality-wise and emotionally that they are not the same person, due to the disparity between the "old them" and the "new them" after the brain trauma.

We are the sum total of our appearance and our interactions... these things are bound up in the physiology of the body and cannot survive death.
Ice, if I remove, say, 10 molecules from your brain, are you still "you?" Most likely you are. What if I remove 20? In fact a certain "essence" defines you beyond the *exact* physical structure of your brain...?
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #39 posted 08/31/02 6:10pm

O4ITSME

yes
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Reply #40 posted 08/31/02 6:30pm

Question2002

yes
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Reply #41 posted 09/01/02 1:59am

mistermaxxx

Yes of course.our Lives are a Reflection of People,Places&things of the past but Out Afterlife will only get Better&Highlight the Quality we all have in us.in the Afterlife we will truly be as One.I believe in the Spirit&the Power&I feel that a Eye-Opening day awaits.a Place where we are all truly free.on Earth we were Picked to Grace God's Green Earth&that is quite Powerful because many people never make it.
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Reply #42 posted 09/01/02 3:03am

MA2ZIPPYSISTA

Don't want come back to the earth... too scary!
censored johnwoo bomb uzi chainsaw brick machinegun :fishlap: hammer finger censored = peace = heart
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Reply #43 posted 09/01/02 7:08am

Arcamar

yeah, yeah...
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Reply #44 posted 09/01/02 9:57am

EchoOfMySoul

Yes - I most definately believe in good and evil, heaven and hell.

God is alive, and he gives us all the opportunity to
learn from our experiences. He gives us a chance to
develop spiritually. He gives us a chance to fill
the void/emptiness with his love, therefore, loving
others.

pray

"I have been too long in the wilderness

Your prodigal daughter

Wandering from heart to heart

Too confused to settle into my own

But finally, at last, there is nowhere else to go,

Where you've waited for me all along

How now to make amends for my long absence

How to seek the comfort of your embrace

And trust that it belongs to me

At least to say - I love you, God

And wait for your reply"



-----Marcie New



Slm4m, sorry about the loss of your friend!



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Reply #45 posted 09/01/02 3:53pm

WillieThePimp

I beleive Heaven is full of happy Jahovah Witnesses eating grapes and lounging with wild animals...
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Reply #46 posted 09/01/02 4:03pm

WillieThePimp

...In that glorious land in the sky (way up high).
Work and pray (work and pray), live on hay (live on hay),
You'll get pie in the sky when you die (that's a lie!)
- Joe Hill
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Reply #47 posted 09/01/02 4:09pm

WillieThePimp

AbucahX said:

How is it that there is so much order in our body and in nature?
How is it that there's so much torture, cruelty, chaos, pain, suffering, misery, calamity, etc.? Did God create that too?
And if God created everything, did he also create Himself?
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Reply #48 posted 09/01/02 5:20pm

TailGate

IceNine said:

slm4m said:

why?



Because I do not believe in ideas of heaven, hell, a soul, the afterlife, etc.

All that I am is bound up in the physiological structures of the brain. My actions are based on a set of electro-chemical messages in my nervous system that direct my action. When I die, the electrical current will leave my body and my brain will cease to function... thus I will be gone.

Implying that life after death exists is to assume the existence of a soul and therefore to discount the importance of the brain. Since all of my behaviors are produced and governed by the brain, the destruction of the brain will cause all of my traits to die as well.

We all know that injury to the brain can render a person so very different personality-wise and emotionally that they are not the same person, due to the disparity between the "old them" and the "new them" after the brain trauma.

We are the sum total of our appearance and our interactions... these things are bound up in the physiology of the body and cannot survive death.
So how does one LOVE? How does one feel pain in their HEART? The brain does not control the heart nor does it control the soul. One loves only through the soul which in effect touches our heart. Unless your brain takes over and now this is called physically feelings...like in SEX. If somebody hurts your feelings or hurts you,,,does this make you angry? If somebody LOVES you does this make you happy or does it make you love them back? If you are not controlled in any way by a soul you cannot LOVE nor can YOU feel hurt. The brain does control the part of our mind that makes us laugh, the brain does control the part of our body that makes us feel physical pain the brain is the part of the body that makes us think. But the brain has NO CONTROL over the feelings you feel to love or when you feel hurt (your feelings)...and that is if you have any at all. (not you personally) smile...JUST my opinion and my theory on your theory. When a baby is within the womb of a woman for many months and he learns of her and bonds with her through all that time, what is this?...How does he know he wants her when somebody else is holding him? Instict! This is not a part of the brain. This comes from the soul.
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Reply #49 posted 09/02/02 1:52am

SensualMelody

WillieThePimp said:

AbucahX said:

How is it that there is so much order in our body and in nature?
How is it that there's so much torture, cruelty, chaos, pain, suffering, misery, calamity, etc.? Did God create that too?
And if God created everything, did he also create Himself?

SensualMelody said:
The bible has very clear answers to those questions.
There it tells you exactly what God created. No, God
did not create any of the things you mentioned...they
are not even creations...but are actions resulting from
choices made by people who were created with free will.
Did God create himself? A more relevant question may be
"Did man create himself?"



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Reply #50 posted 09/02/02 3:03am

TailGate

SensualMelody said:[quote]

WillieThePimp said:

AbucahX said:

How is it that there is so much order in our body and in nature?
How is it that there's so much torture, cruelty, chaos, pain, suffering, misery, calamity, etc.? Did God create that too?
And if God created everything, did he also create Himself?

SensualMelody said:
The bible has very clear answers to those questions.
There it tells you exactly what God created. No, God
did not create any of the things you mentioned...they
are not even creations...but are actions resulting from
choices made by people who were created with free will.
Did God create himself? A more relevant question may be
"Did man create himself?"

Great point SensualMelody...Perfect answer/question! "Did man create himself?" Now here comes the ones saying Man and Woman create life...No we create and nurture the body that carries life! wink...On board a plane when they take head count...They do not count and say 215 (example) bodies counted for...They say 215 souls aboard. We are counted as SOULS not bodies.
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Reply #51 posted 09/02/02 5:35am

AprilMichelle

i don't believe in 1...once u die u r worm food ...so deny yourself nothing enjoy the ride while u can and try 2 leave a positive impact
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Reply #52 posted 09/02/02 5:45am

AprilMichelle

btw if there is an afterlife i'm going 2 hell...since i've been raising it 4 years! oh well i'll have more fun burning w/ all the rock stars,sinners and false prophets then i would sitting on a golden hill w/ the popes and the saints...lol...i've had a vision of hell...it's eternity in a town called marlboro ...(where i used 2 live)
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Reply #53 posted 09/02/02 7:33am

Mr7

AprilMichelle said:

btw if there is an afterlife i'm going 2 hell...since i've been raising it 4 years! oh well i'll have more fun burning w/ all the rock stars,sinners and false prophets then i would sitting on a golden hill w/ the popes and the saints...lol...i've had a vision of hell...it's eternity in a town called marlboro ...(where i used 2 live)


There is no 'Hell' for you to be sent. It is just scarifying doctrine fabricated by Churches to ensure membership and control.

'God is love' - he wouldn't torture you eternally.
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Reply #54 posted 09/02/02 8:53am

AbucahX

Mr7 said:

AprilMichelle said:

btw if there is an afterlife i'm going 2 hell...since i've been raising it 4 years! oh well i'll have more fun burning w/ all the rock stars,sinners and false prophets then i would sitting on a golden hill w/ the popes and the saints...lol...i've had a vision of hell...it's eternity in a town called marlboro ...(where i used 2 live)


There is no 'Hell' for you to be sent. It is just scarifying doctrine fabricated by Churches to ensure membership and control.

'God is love' - he wouldn't torture you eternally.

That is exactly right Mr 7...there is no such thing as hell..If God tortured his creations eternally for not obeying the "10 Commandments" then God is hateful and full of veagence...If church goers truly believe that "God is love" why do they believe in a burning hell? That is absurd, there is no such place as a hell where souls burn eternally. If God operates on the level that he'll send souls to hell eternally then God is Satan himself.
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Reply #55 posted 09/02/02 8:58am

XxAxX

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exactly Mr7 i agree

we all have god in us (whether or not we are aware of god's presence is up to us) and imo although churches can help make the connection often they simply provide 'doctrines' by which we abide and through which we can 'know' god. if we fail or disobey the doctrine our church presents us, we are cast out of the house of the church (along with our weekly tithe$$) so the church also motivates us with a reason not to leave it (hellfire and eternal damnation).

as if god would ever be so unforgiving smile
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Reply #56 posted 09/02/02 9:03am

TheMax

"afterlife" = wishful thinking

If you want a preview of what it's like to be dead, just think of the time before you were born.
"When they tell me 2 walk a straight line, I put on crooked shoes"
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Reply #57 posted 09/02/02 10:03am

WillieThePimp

SensualMelody said:
The bible has very clear answers to those questions.
There it tells you exactly what God created. No, God
did not create any of the things you mentioned...they
are not even creations...but are actions resulting from
choices made by people who were created with free will
The Bible has "very clear answers" to why chaos, pain, suffering, misery and calamity occur... they are "actions resulting from choices made by people who were created with free will?"

Did God create himself? A more relevant question may be "Did man create himself?"
RELEVANT TO WHAT??? It's stated throughout the Bible and Judeo-Christian dogma that "God created everything." Look, please don't try to "answer" these questions with cryptic, fluffy, cognitive dissonance.
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Reply #58 posted 09/02/02 1:44pm

frontTribe

WillieThePimp said:

SensualMelody said:
The bible has very clear answers to those questions.
There it tells you exactly what God created. No, God
did not create any of the things you mentioned...they
are not even creations...but are actions resulting from
choices made by people who were created with free will
The Bible has "very clear answers" to why chaos, pain, suffering, misery and calamity occur... they are "actions resulting from choices made by people who were created with free will?"

Did God create himself? A more relevant question may be "Did man create himself?"
RELEVANT TO WHAT??? It's stated throughout the Bible and Judeo-Christian dogma that "God created everything." Look, please don't try to "answer" these questions with cryptic, fluffy, cognitive dissonance.


FrontTribe:
That's interesting.You said throughout the bible it says God created EVERYTHING...do you have scriptures?


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Reply #59 posted 09/03/02 12:00am

tackam

Not like people usually mean it.

Heard the thing about the carriage? What is a carriage? There are wheels, but that's not a carriage. There is a body, but that's not a carriage. Seats, but still not the carriage. However, there is no 'essence of carriage' floating outside of the parts. I think I'm sorta like that. I don't think I have a soul, an eternal being sort of thing, but I do think that the person I am is more than whatever is buzzing in my brain at any given moment. My life, the impacts that I've had in the world and whatnot, exist beyond my brain.

To put it another way: I don't believe I'll exist forever, but I believe I will have existed forever. This universe will never again be what it was without me.

Doves,
Mel!ssa
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