ZombieKitten said:

I don't like liars.

evenstar3 said:

Yet somehow, all other Canadians who live in Toronto manage to procreate.

live4lust said:

i thought they reproduced asexually? you know, like worms?

Anx said:

I had to google "zales" (it's a jewelry store?). Anyhoo...

Yes, these are all good things. But I think my attitude can best be summed up in these lines from Bruce Springsteen's "Dry Lightning":

Ain't nobody gonna give nobody
What they really need anyway

live4lust said:

Yeah , but look who they are procresting with. They are settling.. Aside from the minority of hot women that live in this city, they are either plain janes or ugos. Toronto does not have a lot of hot women. And most of the hot women here are usually taken. All that's left are the rest that you don't want.

ZombieKitten said:

I'm quite conflicted about it, actually.

Ace said:

eh, what i need i get myself. i'm an only child, that's how it works.
it's nice when someone helps make the getting easier and vice versa.
then again, it would be nice to have stretching power like mr. fantastic, and my own private flamingo sanctuary.

Ace said:

because it is an illusion?

Anx said:

Sure. I just think that instead of "love" what most people really want is "fake love" (as Chuck Klosterman calls it) and this makes the possibility of sustaining a relationship over decades a longshot.

Ace said:

i think it's less "fake" than it is a matter of projecting subjective ideals.

what one person may consider 'true love' with all his/her heart, another person may consider pathetic and delusional. i think a lot of people look for mates the way they might look for a job - it might be something they're miserable with for the rest of their lives, but they have a steady income and benefits and the rest they can just try to make the best of.

but some people may consider that a blessed life. and hey - more power to em.

Ace said:

I would love to know what you two friends of mine are discussing.

Anx said:

What Klosterman suggests is that we're making healthy relationships impossible by measuring ours against fictional ones.

live4lust said:

Filling you in now via Orgnote...

Ace said:

that makes a lot of sense...there's so many girls i know who are caught up in this disney-esque fantasy of being a "princess waiting for my prince". it's ridiculous.

Anx said:

I think that what most people are looking for in a relationship can't really be found there. If I may quote another mid-'80s icon, from her more recent work (what I call her post-Decade-of-Living-Dangerously oeuvre), "Happiness lies in your own hands". Don't ya think?

evenstar3 said:

Anx said:

Oh man, how true.

Ace said:

It's true. Most women are like that.

Spats said:

Bullshit. Do you EVER stop generalising?

Ace said:

i think it's possible for some couples to share an entire lifetime without even getting that deep into their own desires and wants. i think some people have entire lifetimes they'll never visit, simply due to how they've been raised and because of the expectations placed on them. and really, truly, i think many of these people are genuinely happy, and they truly enjoy having a marriage because it's necessary in order to build a family, and that's what you're supposed to do, so don't go questioning it.

and really, that's not completely as fascist and pathetic as it looks plunked out in an internet forum. it's just a different way of looking at life and love and relationships.

what's more, this model i'm attempting to describe, i think has more to do with following generations of tradition than it does with trying to emulate fictional relationships passed on by the mass media.

i'm not saying this is an ideal state of marital bliss, but i do believe it exists, and if the happiness is real, i would consider it to be valid "love".

live4lust said:

Yes. But it's not easy.

At all.

Spats said:

Spats said:

Guess you will have to resort to this

evenstar3 said:

jerseykrs said:

Dearest Ian let's be gay together?

Spats said:

Hey, there's a lotta men who are looking for the fairytale, too. They may not express it in the same way, but there just as many male victims.

Anx said:

Marriage is not needed to build a family and that is not what we are supposed to do. Can if ya want.

jerseykrs said:

i tried quoting the wisdom of the mooninites at him, but it was lost on him

jerseykrs said:

why are you clocking the man plaster, jers?