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Thread started 11/25/06 9:49pm

emm

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smart car coming to the US 2008

Success in Canada fuels American launch
New version corrects current owners' gripes
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It's rare for Canada to be mentioned at the international debut of an important new car; we really are bit players on the world stage. Dieter Zetsche, chairman of DaimlerChrysler, pointed out how successful the car had been in its first two years in Canada.

With a first-year sales estimate of just 800 cars, the little Smart has already made itself at home in almost 8,000 Canadian garages, driveways and apartment parking lots. These might not be Honda Civic numbers, but any time a company beats its projections to such a degree, its management team is happy. And the head-office joy over sales numbers in the Great White North is fuelling hope the success will be repeated with the Smart Fortwo launch Stateside.

The new Smart Fortwo is changed in ways that are likely to appeal to Americans: it's larger, roomier, more stylish and more powerful than its predecessor. The concept remains the same — a transverse rear-engined two-seater with the Magna-built Tridion safety-cell central structure, which provides a level of crash protection that seems impossible given the size of the car.

Smart claims it's more "masculine," whatever that means. Undeniably, the newcomer has a more sophisticated look, more like a real car than a Japanese anime toy. Both gasoline and diesel three-cylinder engines will be offered, presumably in all markets, although details of equipment levels haven't been revealed yet. Canada currently gets the diesel only.

Prices are expected to be equivalent to what they are in Europe, although Penske has been talking about a price starting at $10,000 (U.S.). On a currency-adjusted basis, that's a whole lot cheaper than Smart in Canada, where the cheapest version starts now at $16,700. Then again, the current car requires almost as many hours for refitting to make it comply with Canadian standards, such as daytime running lights, as it does to build it in the first place. With all such issues being built into the new car, maybe our prices will be coming down, too.

The 90-per-cent new Smart Fortwo goes on sale in Europe in April, in Canada next fall and in the U.S. in early 2008.


i see them everywhere here! in a city of 200,000 i bet there are 50 of them on the streets here. they are very often painted with company logos as they are highly visible and you can't help but look at one when you see it.

are you ready for it? smile

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Reply #1 posted 11/25/06 10:00pm

SammiJ

they're so cute, i remember seeing them all over europe and was excited when they came here

altho i'll never own one sigh
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Reply #2 posted 11/25/06 10:00pm

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Ugh I don't like those cars.

The only thing is what happens if there is a car accident. Because of it's size I can see it as a write off and more harm to the occupants. It does not look safe. neutral
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Reply #3 posted 11/25/06 10:24pm

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luv4u said:

Ugh I don't like those cars.

The only thing is what happens if there is a car accident. Because of it's size I can see it as a write off and more harm to the occupants. It does not look safe. neutral


that was my first thought, too...it's a cool car, but with all the SUVs and crap in the US it'd be more dangerous to drive one of these. sad
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Reply #4 posted 11/25/06 10:35pm

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that's what i would have thought but
check out the videos of the collision impacts

it apparently stands up much better than many other small cars
and has more saftey equipment than others in it's class

shrug
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Reply #5 posted 11/25/06 10:49pm

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I have a picture of me laughing in front of one of these in Europe. With our highway speeds and with our larger car culture I already feel like a ping pong ball in my sports car which is substantially larger then that whined up toy. Our highway speeds alone make that an impossibility on impact no matter WHAT safety crash tests it boasts.
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Reply #6 posted 11/25/06 10:49pm

coolcat

emm said:

that's what i would have thought but
check out the videos of the collision impacts

it apparently stands up much better than many other small cars
and has more saftey equipment than others in it's class

shrug


hmmm It looks like it would topple over easily.
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Reply #7 posted 11/25/06 10:56pm

Illustrator

It's okay, I guess.

Now KITT....

that was a smart car.
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Reply #8 posted 11/25/06 10:58pm

coolcat

Illustrator said:

It's okay, I guess.

Now KITT....

that was a smart car.


KARR was smarter.
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Reply #9 posted 11/26/06 4:03am

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coolcat said:

hmmm It looks like it would topple over easily.

i don't get that feeling when i see it on the streets


ok all you negative nelly's rolleyes
i get that if you don't like small cars you won't like this one

but if you were thinking of a small car
wanting something fuel efficent for bopping around the city with
or perhaps needing a small second vehicle
this gets milage comperable to a hybrid but is only $10,000
and appears safer than other small cars on the market
then it might be worth your consideration smile




*i don't claim to be knowledgable about the vehicle
i just know they are going like hotcakes around here
and it will be interesting to see how the vehicle does once it hits the US market
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Reply #10 posted 11/26/06 7:39am

VelvetNumberTw
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emm said:

coolcat said:

hmmm It looks like it would topple over easily.

i don't get that feeling when i see it on the streets


ok all you negative nelly's rolleyes
i get that if you don't like small cars you won't like this one

but if you were thinking of a small car
wanting something fuel efficent for bopping around the city with
or perhaps needing a small second vehicle
this gets milage comperable to a hybrid but is only $10,000
and appears safer than other small cars on the market
then it might be worth your consideration smile




*i don't claim to be knowledgable about the vehicle
i just know they are going like hotcakes around here
and it will be interesting to see how the vehicle does once it hits the US market



Really, I heard sales weren't well and that chrysler has lost money on this.
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Reply #11 posted 11/26/06 8:16am

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Geez, it only took 10 years. lol
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Reply #12 posted 11/26/06 8:30am

sosgemini

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emm said:

coolcat said:

hmmm It looks like it would topple over easily.

i don't get that feeling when i see it on the streets


ok all you negative nelly's rolleyes
i get that if you don't like small cars you won't like this one

but if you were thinking of a small car
wanting something fuel efficent for bopping around the city with
or perhaps needing a small second vehicle
this gets milage comperable to a hybrid but is only $10,000
and appears safer than other small cars on the market
then it might be worth your consideration smile




*i don't claim to be knowledgable about the vehicle
i just know they are going like hotcakes around here
and it will be interesting to see how the vehicle does once it hits the US market


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i was just going to post a comment and you came and did it for me...its proven to be safe...enviro friendly and functional yet still folks spaz out....

thus the culture of our world. sigh
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Reply #13 posted 11/26/06 8:31am

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and lets all not forget that folks said the mini-copper was too small and folks wouldnt get into its look...

and we all know how that ended up.

lol
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Reply #14 posted 11/26/06 8:34am

Graycap23

The U.S. needs smart DRIVER.....
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Reply #15 posted 11/26/06 8:45am

mdiver

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Reply #16 posted 11/26/06 8:50am

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mdiver said:

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=6&id2=29

http://www.euroncap.com/c...1=5&id2=56

compare


they are both chryslers shrug
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Reply #17 posted 11/26/06 8:53am

mdiver

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mdiver said:

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=6&id2=29

http://www.euroncap.com/c...1=5&id2=56

compare


they are both chryslers shrug


The reason for the comparison is to show that most drivers in the USA would automatically say the Voyager is safer because its bigger...standard answer whereas actually the micro car rates better all round
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Reply #18 posted 11/26/06 8:54am

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VelvetNumberTwo said:

mdiver said:

http://www.euroncap.com/content/safety_ratings/details.php?id1=6&id2=29

http://www.euroncap.com/c...1=5&id2=56

compare


they are both chryslers shrug



ummm...i think you missed a point somewhere.

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Reply #19 posted 11/26/06 8:55am

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mdiver said:

VelvetNumberTwo said:



they are both chryslers shrug


The reason for the comparison is to show that most drivers in the USA would automatically say the Voyager is safer because its bigger...standard answer whereas actually the micro car rates better all round



damn, you beat me too it.

lol
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Reply #20 posted 11/26/06 8:55am

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mdiver said:

VelvetNumberTwo said:



they are both chryslers shrug


The reason for the comparison is to show that most drivers in the USA would automatically say the Voyager is safer because its bigger...standard answer whereas actually the micro car rates better all round

oh, gottcha
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Reply #21 posted 11/26/06 8:56am

mdiver

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mdiver said:



The reason for the comparison is to show that most drivers in the USA would automatically say the Voyager is safer because its bigger...standard answer whereas actually the micro car rates better all round



damn, you beat me too it.

lol


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Reply #22 posted 11/26/06 8:57am

mdiver

VelvetNumberTwo said:

mdiver said:



The reason for the comparison is to show that most drivers in the USA would automatically say the Voyager is safer because its bigger...standard answer whereas actually the micro car rates better all round

oh, gottcha


thumbs up!
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Reply #23 posted 11/26/06 9:12am

jerseykrs

I'm so sorry emm, but americans will never buy into that concept. It will find a niche market for sure here, but on a whole, no way. shrug
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Reply #24 posted 11/26/06 9:16am

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jerseykrs said:

I'm so sorry emm, but americans will never buy into that concept. It will find a niche market for sure here, but on a whole, no way. shrug



they will by force though
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Reply #25 posted 11/26/06 10:16am

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I drove one in Paris. It was fun in a bumper cars kind of way. I would drive one if I lived and worked in the city and didn't need to drive freeways. shrug
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Reply #26 posted 11/26/06 10:32am

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VelvetNumberTwo said:

Really, I heard sales weren't well and that chrysler has lost money on this.

yes i guess it hasn't made a profit yet
i would think there are a few reasons for that namely...

  • from what that article said (i edited much of it out)
    as many hours as it took to build it in the first place
    were needed again to make the changes necessary from
    european requirements to canadian requirements
    the new version that will be rolled out for the U.S. won't require those retrofits
    you would have to think that is hard on the bottom line

  • it sounds like the safety features built in to the smart car
    just normally aren't available in cars of this class. why? because of cost
    the article also mentioned that the cost of production had been lowered from the earlier versions

  • so it all comes down to a numbers game. the more units you sell the better your profit margin will be.
    8000 units in canada - while it is 10 fold better than they anticipated - is a good start. but the american market is where it will live or die

the price of gas has been more palletable of late but we all know the cost is going to keep rising. who knows what we will be paying in 2008? perhaps this will look appealing to many more than you would think by then.
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Reply #27 posted 11/26/06 10:38am

CinisterCee

canada Canada had smart car first, eh?
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Reply #28 posted 11/26/06 10:39am

CinisterCee

btw, emm where u at this week
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Reply #29 posted 11/26/06 10:43am

CinisterCee

Graycap23 said:

The U.S. needs smart DRIVER.....



oh SNAP! lol
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