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PrintableNuPwrSoul said: I disagree that this is a generalization about the condition of the black community similar to what you have argued, i.e., "lack of responsibility overall within the black community." Like what? What evidence of this do you offer?
One of the reasons why black businesses don't do well is represented in the attitude that you represent, i.e., your disdain, distrust, and lack of faith in black enterprises apparently. White corporations don't have that problem. They know what kind of resources exist in black communities and will set up shop, drawing on their own strength, in those communities and be quite profitable. what experience do i have? the fact that I run my own business...the fact that this business is within the finance industry and its my job to try to educate people about monies...the fact that black folk dont want to be educated cause its easier for them to stay ignorant and *blame* someone...these are all personal experiences that I witness again and again and again... and, yeah..there are successful black businesses that cater to their own community...but until people stop catering to their very small clientelle and start looking at all people, the black economy is going to stay non-existent...i dont target any community with my business...everybody is game with me...if they got the money... and finally, hope you didnt take the "blame" comment personal..i was refering to *everyone* within the black community..not just you...i just get the impression that more black people like to get on their soapbox and *blame* instead of doing something and making a name (and money) for themselves... (errr..i hate sounding like a republican on this issue...errr) | |
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SkletonKee said: (errr..i hate sounding like a republican on this issue...errr) Woooh, thnx for that disclaimer LOL. No I feel ya. And I don't think we really are in disagreement... just flipsides of the same coin. No doubt black-run businesses should service everyone, and most of the Black Enterprise 100 companies do just that. Many of them (and many others) started with a base though. And at the very least, I argue that those services and products that are ethnic specific (hair care, etc.) SHOULD be black owned. Just as it is RARE if not impossible to find a Chinese restaurant run by a non-Chinese, a Kosher deli run by a non-Jew, an Italian restaurant run by a non-Italian, it's a damn shame that the largest black hair care companies are run by non-black people. Now some of that has to do with black folks' internal issues, some of it has to do with distribution networks and the muscling in of larger corporations. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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Interesting discource... | |
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I would argue crime, which causes poverty, and illegitmacy (70%) are strong issues for reflection. Both have substantially increased after the 50's. Of course, these factors have risen for whites as well (illegitmacy 24%).
And I would argue, the departure of manufacturing jobs from the inner cities to foreign countries for cheap labor, leaving many unemployed and depleting the tax base in urban centers leaving poor services and underfunded schools, WHICH then leads to greater unemployment, which THEN causes poverty, and THEN crime. I would put the root cause of these things as unemployment. Interesting to me that you put crime as the root cause as though out of nowhere and for no reason people in these communities just engage in crime.[quote] Many people buy into this reasoning, that poverty causes crime, as I once did (much to the chagrin of BlahRunner). You figure, a person's out of work, has to feed and support his/her family and left with no other means but to break the law. But the facts simply tell another story: Why is it that during the Great Depression, there was NO substantial increase in crime? Life was much harder then during this long period. Likewise, the poorest communities in the U.S. are in rural areas, not inner cities. Check the U.S. Census Bureau. So what's changed since the Great Depression? What's so different now? Let's be honest, why is it that many people would simply not choose a path to break the law...??? BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S WRONG. What I'm talking about is personal responsibility rather than environment; sure, it plays a role, but ultimately one is making a choice. You have two paths in front of you, and the consequences follow. Morals, values, right and wrong aren't being taught in a loving and nurturing nuclear family model today --- they have been degrading. I'm talking about a breakdown of the nuclear family, which is effecting this whole nation no matter what ethnicity, and the fact is illegitimacy is high in black communities, and when the value pool falls short, crime rises, and the businesses move out to some degree. In many households, rearing a child with one single working parent is not ideal for a whole slew of reasons, especially when you have kids raising kids. Children need love and discipline. The state, the government, can not substitute for a parent with social programs -- crime isn't going to go down with more good jobs, more affordable housing and all the material goods in the world when one is without a sense of right and wrong. Just another factor to take into account... | |
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bonojr said: Many people buy into this reasoning, that poverty causes crime, as I once did (much to the chagrin of BlahRunner). ..
Sorry, nothing *you* (boneheadsr) have said has chagrined me. | |
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"What I'm talking about is personal responsibility rather than environment; sure, it plays a role, but ultimately one is making a choice. You have two paths in front of you, and the consequences follow. Morals, values, right and wrong aren't being taught in a loving and nurturing nuclear family model today --- they have been degrading. I'm talking about a breakdown of the nuclear family, which is effecting this whole nation no matter what ethnicity, and the fact is illegitimacy is high in black communities, and when the value pool falls short, crime rises, and the businesses move out to some degree."
I don't think any argument put forth...even as articulate as nwpowersoul is...is as valid as the above. | |
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bonojr said: I'm talking about a breakdown of the nuclear family, which is effecting this whole nation no matter what ethnicity, and the fact is illegitimacy is high in black communities, and when the value pool falls short, crime rises, and the businesses move out to some degree.
It's not as high as it once was. And another fact of the matter is that black females usually choose to give birth instead of aborting their child, unlike most white females who don't want their children. The value system is different. | |
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Wolf said: bonojr said: I'm talking about a breakdown of the nuclear family, which is effecting this whole nation no matter what ethnicity, and the fact is illegitimacy is high in black communities, and when the value pool falls short, crime rises, and the businesses move out to some degree.
It's not as high as it once was. And another fact of the matter is that black females usually choose to give birth instead of aborting their child, unlike most white females who don't want their children. The value system is different. That's an interesting point. | |
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