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Thread started 11/24/06 12:34pm

Spookymuffin

Sit down and talk with me.

Let's have a deep conversation on a topic.

We could question reality, but I've already done that.

Instead I pose you this:

Does artificial intelligence fear death?
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Reply #1 posted 11/24/06 12:35pm

CarrieMpls

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no
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Reply #2 posted 11/24/06 12:35pm

jerseykrs

if it's artificial, than fear wouldn't be possible, now would it? hmmm
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Reply #3 posted 11/24/06 12:39pm

Spookymuffin

jerseykrs said:

if it's artificial, than fear wouldn't be possible, now would it? hmmm


How do we tell the difference between what we see and what is real?

If we see a robot that looks human (like in A.I) afraid, do we not understand that it is afraid and act accordingly?
Yet we know that the robot only does that because some human has told it to perform that command in that situation. However, just because he's performing it, does it mean he doesn't genuinely feel that emotion?

Is he sentient?
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Reply #4 posted 11/24/06 12:44pm

Spookymuffin

CarrieMpls said:

no


Party poop.
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Reply #5 posted 11/24/06 12:44pm

evenstar3

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i don't think humans will ever create something that genuinely can.
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Reply #6 posted 11/24/06 12:44pm

applekisses

Only if it's programmed to.
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Reply #7 posted 11/24/06 12:44pm

Bumhole

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Are you planning on killing some robots?
There's a Bumhole in my Heart.
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Reply #8 posted 11/24/06 12:45pm

purplerein

Spookymuffin said:

jerseykrs said:

if it's artificial, than fear wouldn't be possible, now would it? hmmm


How do we tell the difference between what we see and what is real?

If we see a robot that looks human (like in A.I) afraid, do we not understand that it is afraid and act accordingly?
Yet we know that the robot only does that because some human has told it to perform that command in that situation. However, just because he's performing it, does it mean he doesn't genuinely feel that emotion?

Is he sentient?


what we see is our personal reality. How do you know what you see as a building, is actually not a cow shape to me..?...that the color you know as blue, isn't brown to me..
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Reply #9 posted 11/24/06 12:45pm

MarySharon

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Is there any place of refuge one can flee from this insanity
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Reply #10 posted 11/24/06 12:45pm

Bumhole

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purplerein said:

what we see is our personal reality. How do you know what you see as a building, is actually not a cow shape to me


Because I can't milk a building.
There's a Bumhole in my Heart.
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Reply #11 posted 11/24/06 12:46pm

Spookymuffin

evenstar3 said:

i don't think humans will ever create something that genuinely can.


Scientists in cambridge have created a robot that dreams independently. It generates them.
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Reply #12 posted 11/24/06 12:46pm

Spookymuffin

purplerein said:

Spookymuffin said:



How do we tell the difference between what we see and what is real?

If we see a robot that looks human (like in A.I) afraid, do we not understand that it is afraid and act accordingly?
Yet we know that the robot only does that because some human has told it to perform that command in that situation. However, just because he's performing it, does it mean he doesn't genuinely feel that emotion?

Is he sentient?


what we see is our personal reality. How do you know what you see as a building, is actually not a cow shape to me..?...that the color you know as blue, isn't brown to me..


And so we dig deeper. smile

Perception is indeed relative.
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Reply #13 posted 11/24/06 12:47pm

applekisses

Spookymuffin said:

jerseykrs said:

if it's artificial, than fear wouldn't be possible, now would it? hmmm


How do we tell the difference between what we see and what is real?

If we see a robot that looks human (like in A.I) afraid, do we not understand that it is afraid and act accordingly?
Yet we know that the robot only does that because some human has told it to perform that command in that situation. However, just because he's performing it, does it mean he doesn't genuinely feel that emotion?

Is he sentient?


By this definition, yes:

having the power of perception by the senses; conscious

http://dictionary.referen...e/sentient


However, "peforming" an emotion and genuinely "feeling" it are two completely different things. Humans do this all the time.
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Reply #14 posted 11/24/06 12:47pm

Spookymuffin

Bumhole said:

Are you planning on killing some robots?


And if I am? neutral
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Reply #15 posted 11/24/06 12:49pm

purplerein

Spookymuffin said:

purplerein said:



what we see is our personal reality. How do you know what you see as a building, is actually not a cow shape to me..?...that the color you know as blue, isn't brown to me..


And so we dig deeper. smile

Perception is indeed relative.


the fact of the matter is, I still question if something exists outside of my perception. what do you think?
of course someone could call me, and then they'd exist..but does the rest of the physical world exist, even though i can't see it?..
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Reply #16 posted 11/24/06 12:49pm

evenstar3

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Spookymuffin said:

evenstar3 said:

i don't think humans will ever create something that genuinely can.


Scientists in cambridge have created a robot that dreams independently. It generates them.


can't it only create them along the lines of what the scientists have programmed it to? and what do they consider a robot dream, anyway?
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Reply #17 posted 11/24/06 12:49pm

Bumhole

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Spookymuffin said:

Bumhole said:

Are you planning on killing some robots?


And if I am? neutral


Make 'em squeal like tiny hamsters being squished.
There's a Bumhole in my Heart.
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Reply #18 posted 11/24/06 12:51pm

Spookymuffin

Bumhole said:

purplerein said:

what we see is our personal reality. How do you know what you see as a building, is actually not a cow shape to me


Because I can't milk a building.

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Reply #19 posted 11/24/06 12:52pm

Spookymuffin

applekisses said:

Spookymuffin said:



How do we tell the difference between what we see and what is real?

If we see a robot that looks human (like in A.I) afraid, do we not understand that it is afraid and act accordingly?
Yet we know that the robot only does that because some human has told it to perform that command in that situation. However, just because he's performing it, does it mean he doesn't genuinely feel that emotion?

Is he sentient?


By this definition, yes:

having the power of perception by the senses; conscious

http://dictionary.referen...e/sentient


However, "peforming" an emotion and genuinely "feeling" it are two completely different things. Humans do this all the time.


As we know, since we can fake emotions.
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Reply #20 posted 11/24/06 12:53pm

Spookymuffin

evenstar3 said:

Spookymuffin said:



Scientists in cambridge have created a robot that dreams independently. It generates them.


can't it only create them along the lines of what the scientists have programmed it to? and what do they consider a robot dream, anyway?


It has 64 different options and it randomly combines elements from each to great a good few hundred thousand possible "dreams" that it starts to generate when the off button is pressed.
However, it soon picked a favourite dream, and kept dreaming it. I wonder if it chose a wet dream? hmmm
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Reply #21 posted 11/24/06 12:54pm

Spookymuffin

purplerein said:

Spookymuffin said:



And so we dig deeper. smile

Perception is indeed relative.


the fact of the matter is, I still question if something exists outside of my perception. what do you think?
of course someone could call me, and then they'd exist..but does the rest of the physical world exist, even though i can't see it?..


You could have been put on this earth the very second you read this, with all the memories and feelings you have planted on you. You could die this second and be regenerated the second to come.

Reality is weird, how do we ever know if anything anywhere anytime is real?
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Reply #22 posted 11/24/06 12:56pm

evenstar3

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Spookymuffin said:

evenstar3 said:



can't it only create them along the lines of what the scientists have programmed it to? and what do they consider a robot dream, anyway?


It has 64 different options and it randomly combines elements from each to great a good few hundred thousand possible "dreams" that it starts to generate when the off button is pressed.
However, it soon picked a favourite dream, and kept dreaming it. I wonder if it chose a wet dream? hmmm


it's never going to dream outside those parameters, though. no matter how original the combination is that fact remains shrug

robot wet dreams? hmm
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Reply #23 posted 11/24/06 12:57pm

jerseykrs

it's friday and this thread is making my stupid hurt.
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Reply #24 posted 11/24/06 12:58pm

Spookymuffin

evenstar3 said:

Spookymuffin said:



It has 64 different options and it randomly combines elements from each to great a good few hundred thousand possible "dreams" that it starts to generate when the off button is pressed.
However, it soon picked a favourite dream, and kept dreaming it. I wonder if it chose a wet dream? hmmm


it's never going to dream outside those parameters, though. no matter how original the combination is that fact remains shrug

robot wet dreams? hmm


nod there's the floor. But what is it doing if it isn't dreaming?

Oh, and robot wet dreams are cool. Loads of oil everywhere afterwards though.
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Reply #25 posted 11/24/06 12:59pm

LleeLlee

Spookymuffin said:

jerseykrs said:

if it's artificial, than fear wouldn't be possible, now would it? hmmm


How do we tell the difference between what we see and what is real?

If we see a robot that looks human (like in A.I) afraid, do we not understand that it is afraid and act accordingly?
Yet we know that the robot only does that because some human has told it to perform that command in that situation. However, just because he's performing it, does it mean he doesn't genuinely feel that emotion?

Is he sentient?



It depends if you think that consciousness can be created artificially or not. The robot is mimicking emotions but he's not "feeling" them. Also, AI involves learning, the way a child learns behaviour. It hasn't been programmed to feel sad, but has learned that a particular image should trigger sadness for instance. What if it "learns" to feel emotion? Then its a sentient being.
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Reply #26 posted 11/24/06 12:59pm

purplerein

Spookymuffin said:

purplerein said:



the fact of the matter is, I still question if something exists outside of my perception. what do you think?
of course someone could call me, and then they'd exist..but does the rest of the physical world exist, even though i can't see it?..


You could have been put on this earth the very second you read this, with all the memories and feelings you have planted on you. You could die this second and be regenerated the second to come.

Reality is weird, how do we ever know if anything anywhere anytime is real?


no, i believe i have continuity with my reality. it's not like i'm constantly hitting my "refresh" button. if you and i look at the same painting, do we see the same thing? if i say it's of a butterfly..does my butterfly have the same shape as what you know as a butterfly?
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Reply #27 posted 11/24/06 1:00pm

evenstar3

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Spookymuffin said:

evenstar3 said:



it's never going to dream outside those parameters, though. no matter how original the combination is that fact remains shrug

robot wet dreams? hmm


nod there's the floor. But what is it doing if it isn't dreaming?

Oh, and robot wet dreams are cool. Loads of oil everywhere afterwards though.


just carrying out a program designed to simulate creativity?

damn messy robots disbelief
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Reply #28 posted 11/24/06 1:01pm

Bumhole

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evenstar3 said:

Spookymuffin said:



It has 64 different options and it randomly combines elements from each to great a good few hundred thousand possible "dreams" that it starts to generate when the off button is pressed.
However, it soon picked a favourite dream, and kept dreaming it. I wonder if it chose a wet dream? hmmm


it's never going to dream outside those parameters, though. no matter how original the combination is that fact remains shrug

robot wet dreams? hmm


Mmm, but it's a question of degree. Yes, the possibilities have been programmed in the robot. But our experiences are finite too, and the neurons in our brain are finite (massive, but finite). It's theoretically possible to replicate that. Practically not gonna happen (at least in the short term - 64 different options isn't a great deal) but...
There's a Bumhole in my Heart.
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Reply #29 posted 11/24/06 1:04pm

Spookymuffin

purplerein said:

Spookymuffin said:



You could have been put on this earth the very second you read this, with all the memories and feelings you have planted on you. You could die this second and be regenerated the second to come.

Reality is weird, how do we ever know if anything anywhere anytime is real?


no, i believe i have continuity with my reality. it's not like i'm constantly hitting my "refresh" button. if you and i look at the same painting, do we see the same thing? if i say it's of a butterfly..does my butterfly have the same shape as what you know as a butterfly?


I could be anal and say yes because we can describe things to one another and understand exactly.
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