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Printableapplekisses said: AsianBomb777 said: Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. BULLSHIT. You're starting to behave incredibly aggressively and defensively, which begs the question - why did you start the thread? | |
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Spats said: And your mother was lying to you. Women care abuout looks just as much as men do. You're right when you say that both genders are equally capable of being shallow, but don't argue with his mother's viewpoint. Personality might not be very attractive to you, but you're one person. Why speak for the rest of the planet? Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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AsianBomb777 said: applekisses said: Dan...I'm glad you're healthier now...but, what's in bold up there is utter bullshit...  sorry.Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. Beauty is not in the eye of beholder. that's a myth. Everyone knows what is pretty and what is ugly. But some people just settle for ugly. How many will vote and say Brad Pitt is way better looking that Drew Carrey??? 98% of the population would. | |
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Spookymuffin said: applekisses said: BULLSHIT. You're starting to behave incredibly aggressively and defensively, which begs the question - why did you start the thread? I am?  I'm not feeling agreesive or defensive. I suppose that "bullshit" comment was just off the cuff. I should have thought that through. Where I come from, you can say that and still continue an open dialogue. | |
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Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
Its all work and it's all HARD work. I HATE when people put down the fact that someone cares about their appearance. Just cuz they llok good outside doesn't mean they're not ALSO beautiful inside. It's not their fault some people are to damn lazy to fix what they look like. And I'm talking about extrememly overweight people before anyone jumps down my throat.....  [Edited 11/2/06 13:48pm] | |
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Spats said: AsianBomb777 said: Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. Beauty is not in the eye of beholder. that's a myth. Everyone knows what is pretty and what is ugly. But some people just settle for ugly. How many will vote and say Brad Pitt is way better looking that Drew Carrey??? 98% of the population would. I'm finding it harder and harder to hold my tongue with you, fucker... TIME IS UP on this damn alter  | |
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applekisses said: Spookymuffin said: You're starting to behave incredibly aggressively and defensively, which begs the question - why did you start the thread? I am? I'm not feeling agreesive or defensive. I suppose that "bullshit" comment was just off the cuff. I should have thought that through. Where I come from, you can say that and still continue an open dialogue.It was mainly the capital letters. My issue is that Dan just opened up something incredibly personal and you rubbished it without considering that that's his life you're saying is wrong. | |
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Natisse said: Spats said: Beauty is not in the eye of beholder. that's a myth. Everyone knows what is pretty and what is ugly. But some people just settle for ugly. How many will vote and say Brad Pitt is way better looking that Drew Carrey??? 98% of the population would. I'm finding it harder and harder to hold my tongue with you, fucker... TIME IS UP on this damn alter Co-fucking-sign. Stop being such a goddamn coward, Spats. | |
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INSATIABLE said: Spats said: And your mother was lying to you. Women care abuout looks just as much as men do. You're right when you say that both genders are equally capable of being shallow, but don't argue with his mother's viewpoint. Personality might not be very attractive to you, but you're one person. Why speak for the rest of the planet? Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. | |
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Spookymuffin said: applekisses said: I am? I'm not feeling agreesive or defensive. I suppose that "bullshit" comment was just off the cuff. I should have thought that through. Where I come from, you can say that and still continue an open dialogue.It was mainly the capital letters. My issue is that Dan just opened up something incredibly personal and you rubbished it without considering that that's his life you're saying is wrong. Oh, that wasn't my intention at all...that's why I said the part that I had bolded (that talked about how models are people we should look up to) was the bullshit part and I congratulated him on the rest. | |
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evenstar3 said: Natisse said: I'm finding it harder and harder to hold my tongue with you, fucker... TIME IS UP on this damn alter Co-fucking-sign. Stop being such a goddamn coward, Spats. Did I miss something here? | |
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luv4all7 said: Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
It's incredibly hard work to maintain a killer body and face, absolutely. But to be viewed as valuably as an education in law or medicine, for example? That's fucking hilarious. / 
Just cuz they llok good outside doesn't mean they're not ALSO beautiful inside.
Very true. It's not their fault some people are to damn lazy to fix what they look like.
And I'm talking about extrememly overweight people before anyone jumps down my throat.....
Ah. So not the skinny uglies? Well. How fucked. Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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Spats said: INSATIABLE said: You're right when you say that both genders are equally capable of being shallow, but don't argue with his mother's viewpoint. Personality might not be very attractive to you, but you're one person. Why speak for the rest of the planet? Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. Generalisation and stereotyping only highlights ignorance and naivety that negates all you claim to acheive. You're fucking stupid, in the very literal sense. A complete moron. | |
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luv4all7 said: Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
Its all work and it's all HARD work. I HATE when people put down the fact that someone cares about their appearance. Just cuz they llok good outside doesn't mean they're not ALSO beautiful inside. It's not their fault some people are to damn lazy to fix what they look like. And I'm talking about extrememly overweight people before anyone jumps down my throat.....
[Edited 11/2/06 13:48pm] do you honestly believe that a person who is working hard on their own looks spends his or her energy wisely, compared to a person who, say, studies law to become an advocate for the poor? | |
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Natisse said: Spats said: Beauty is not in the eye of beholder. that's a myth. Everyone knows what is pretty and what is ugly. But some people just settle for ugly. How many will vote and say Brad Pitt is way better looking that Drew Carrey??? 98% of the population would. I'm finding it harder and harder to hold my tongue with you, fucker... TIME IS UP on this damn alter What alter???? Who do you think i am???  I am no alter ego.
What am i saying that is innacurate?? Most people on this planet will say Pitt is better looking than Drew Carrey. | |
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applekisses said: Spookymuffin said: It was mainly the capital letters. My issue is that Dan just opened up something incredibly personal and you rubbished it without considering that that's his life you're saying is wrong. Oh, that wasn't my intention at all...that's why I said the part that I had bolded (that talked about how models are people we should look up to) was the bullshit part and I congratulated him on the rest. ok. I misinferred. | |
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Spookymuffin said: Spats said: Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. Generalisation and stereotyping only highlights ignorance and naivety that negates all you claim to acheive. You're fucking stupid, in the very literal sense. A complete moron. OH YEAH!!!  I love it!! | |
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Spats said: INSATIABLE said: You're right when you say that both genders are equally capable of being shallow, but don't argue with his mother's viewpoint. Personality might not be very attractive to you, but you're one person. Why speak for the rest of the planet? Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. You complete and utter piece of shit.  | |
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Spats said: INSATIABLE said: You're right when you say that both genders are equally capable of being shallow, but don't argue with his mother's viewpoint. Personality might not be very attractive to you, but you're one person. Why speak for the rest of the planet? Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. Are you a woman? Do you have tits and a vag? Would you like to see some pictures of the odd-looking males I've lusted after? For fuck's sake, stop describing every single one of your viewpoints with such extremes! You wonder why everyone calls you a fool? I don't hate you, but you sure are a silly boy.  Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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Spats said: Natisse said: I'm finding it harder and harder to hold my tongue with you, fucker... TIME IS UP on this damn alter What alter???? Who do you think i am??? I am no alter ego.
What am i saying that is innacurate?? Most people on this planet will say Pitt is better looking than Drew Carrey. cut the crap, ok? no way in hell I believe you're NOT an alter-ego - the question is who you really are and I have my hunches but will wait, as I've said before, until the truth comes out then, my friend, it's goin' down like the wall of Berlin  believe it | |
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applekisses said: AsianBomb777 said: Oh no---it's a very valid point. I know you're entitled to your opinions, and I haven't discounted them or called them "bullshit" Allow me the respect at least to debate this in a mature adult way, instead of discounting it as if my opinion is delusional or based on some inferior intellectual construct to yours. I don't know what your body image struggles have been, but we each deal with it in our own ways, and come out of it (if we ever do) with different views. Mine has been what I was able to develope and get me through life a happier, healther, and  better looking person.Sorry, that's just the way I express myself. I come from a working-class background. 
I just don't see how idolizing those who are considered to be physically perfect, when the majority of us are not, could be healthy. There's no way of ever reaching that ideal unless you resort to extremes and plastic surgery, which I think is not a good way to deal with things. That's were we see things DRASTICALLY differently. I never said idolizing them. I never said placing any MORE value on these folks than what is due to them. There is a strong different between admiring and using someone as your inspiration, and idolizing them to the point of starving yourself through anarexia, bulemia, etc. The problem with America is that we are so out of balance with our spirtiual and emotional wellbeing that we slip into a downward spiral of placing too much value in superficial things. I'm saying, ONCE AGAIN, that I know I will never look like Tyson Beckford. But I can atleast admire the way he looks. I can at least use his beauity and image as inspiration. I think it's alot less healthy to just assume one can develope an "I am happy with myself" attitude, if they are overweight and suffer from health problems. No--that person was me circa 1999. That person needs to get out of that rut. Otherwise, they'll be miserable, no matter what they say on the outside, and tell themselves on the inside. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: luv4all7 said: Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
Its all work and it's all HARD work. I HATE when people put down the fact that someone cares about their appearance. Just cuz they llok good outside doesn't mean they're not ALSO beautiful inside. It's not their fault some people are to damn lazy to fix what they look like. And I'm talking about extrememly overweight people before anyone jumps down my throat.....
[Edited 11/2/06 13:48pm] do you honestly believe that a person who is working hard on their own looks spends his or her energy wisely, compared to a person who, say, studies law to become an advocate for the poor? Well in a super model's case sure. They both pay off. Law and modeling. If I could choose being a lawyer or a model, I'd pick being a model anyday. Just cuz thats what I have more interest in. And there is no reason that people can't do both anyway. Look at what Dan wrote. He clowns around, but he is a smart guy. He is successful, fun, AND good looking. Theres no law that you can't be good looking and a good person at the same time. | |
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Spookymuffin said: Spats said: Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. Generalisation and stereotyping only highlights ignorance and naivety that negates all you claim to acheive. You're fucking stupid, in the very literal sense. A complete moron. It's not generalization that just about every woman has hooked up with a jerk. I am sure every woman here could admite to it. I am not making stuff up. You don't have to insult. I have not been insulting you. | |
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Natisse said: Spookymuffin said: Generalisation and stereotyping only highlights ignorance and naivety that negates all you claim to acheive. You're fucking stupid, in the very literal sense. A complete moron. OH YEAH!!! I love it!! *takes a bow* | |
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Spats said: Spookymuffin said: Generalisation and stereotyping only highlights ignorance and naivety that negates all you claim to acheive. You're fucking stupid, in the very literal sense. A complete moron. It's not generalization that just about every woman has hooked up with a jerk. I am sure every woman here could admite to it. I am not making stuff up. You don't have to insult. I have not been insulting you. WRONG!!! I haven't, for one... I know others also. get your facts straight before you shoot off "facts" | |
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INSATIABLE said: Spats said: Just saying that his mother was lying to him. Personality is not what wins over women more than looks. It's B.S. How many women on this planet hook up with jerks??? I would wager that every woman on the planet has at some point hooked up with one. Doing that is in their blood. Are you a woman? Do you have tits and a vag? Would you like to see some pictures of the odd-looking males I've lusted after? For fuck's sake, stop describing every single one of your viewpoints with such extremes! You wonder why everyone calls you a fool? I don't hate you, but you sure are a silly boy. Well, i have yet to meet a woman who hasn't hooked up with a jerk. | |
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Spats said: It's not generalization that just about every woman has hooked up with a jerk. I am sure every woman here could admite to it. I am not making stuff up. The fact that I'm even responding, but....
....haven't you ever hooked up with less-than-noble ladies? Most men I know have! Being inexperienced will do that to a person. Men and women alike make the same mistakes there. Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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Spats said: Spookymuffin said: Generalisation and stereotyping only highlights ignorance and naivety that negates all you claim to acheive. You're fucking stupid, in the very literal sense. A complete moron. It's not generalization that just about every woman has hooked up with a jerk. I am sure every woman here could admite to it. I am not making stuff up. You don't have to insult. I have not been insulting you. Again - you just generalised and stereotyped women in that sentence! Learn what these terms mean before you try and cover yourself, because you're only embarrassing yourself. | |
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Spats said: INSATIABLE said: Are you a woman? Do you have tits and a vag? Would you like to see some pictures of the odd-looking males I've lusted after? For fuck's sake, stop describing every single one of your viewpoints with such extremes! You wonder why everyone calls you a fool? I don't hate you, but you sure are a silly boy. Well, i have yet to meet a woman who hasn't hooked up with a jerk. Again, we all start out clueless. We all get burned. Women learn. Men learn. Women are not a different species. Women and men do similarly idiotic things, and can both be assholes. Oh shit, my hat done fell off | |
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Natisse said: Spats said: What alter???? Who do you think i am??? I am no alter ego.
What am i saying that is innacurate?? Most people on this planet will say Pitt is better looking than Drew Carrey. cut the crap, ok? no way in hell I believe you're NOT an alter-ego - the question is who you really are and I have my hunches but will wait, as I've said before, until the truth comes out then, my friend, it's goin' down like the wall of Berlin believe itSeriously, who do you think i am? I have never posted here under any other name than this. I am sure it can be checked somehow. | |
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