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AsianBomb777 said: applekisses said:  Dan...I'm sorry you were treated that way. It's nothing but cruel.
I guess the question is...how do we consistantly put our opinion of ourselves above others opinions of us? That begs the question you originally posed. Is our opinions of ourselves, pyshically accurate? Is it ok for a fat person to just accept that they are fat? Or that "Fat" is "ok". I say, no. They should fight it, but do so with a positive attitude and not feel like creetons doing it. There is a very fine line between accepting yourself and surrendering--and I don't think people are honest enough with themselves in that regard to tread it. Now before anyone lambastes me and says that I'm buying into the Hollywood perfect body myth--no I'm not. I look at Hollywood actresses today and just pray that somebody will feed those deathly skinny wafes. But why, to you, is not OK to accept that you're fat? It IS quite possible to be fat and healthy. If you know you're healthy, if you eat right and exercise, why should anyone not accept their body for what it is. Because eating right and exercising does not always make someone thin. I'd be thin right now if that were the case. Why should I spend the rest of my life obsessing over it? |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: That begs the question you originally posed. Is our opinions of ourselves, pyshically accurate? Is it ok for a fat person to just accept that they are fat? Or that "Fat" is "ok". I say, no. They should fight it, but do so with a positive attitude and not feel like creetons doing it. There is a very fine line between accepting yourself and surrendering--and I don't think people are honest enough with themselves in that regard to tread it. Now before anyone lambastes me and says that I'm buying into the Hollywood perfect body myth--no I'm not. I look at Hollywood actresses today and just pray that somebody will feed those deathly skinny wafes. But why, to you, is not OK to accept that you're fat? It IS quite possible to be fat and healthy. If you know you're healthy, if you eat right and exercise, why should anyone not accept their body for what it is. Because eating right and exercising does not always make someone thin. I'd be thin right now if that were the case. Why should I spend the rest of my life obsessing over it? Again, these are precepts I have *in general*. I'm not advocating obsession. But everyone (and I totally believe this) can have a normal body size regardless of bone structure. And it does not require obsessing over it. It only requires the right attitude. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: But why, to you, is not OK to accept that you're fat? It IS quite possible to be fat and healthy. If you know you're healthy, if you eat right and exercise, why should anyone not accept their body for what it is. Because eating right and exercising does not always make someone thin. I'd be thin right now if that were the case. Why should I spend the rest of my life obsessing over it? Again, these are precepts I have *in general*. I'm not advocating obsession. But everyone (and I totally believe this) can have a normal body size regardless of bone structure. And it does not require obsessing over it. It only requires the right attitude. Your beliefs are wrong.  |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: Again, these are precepts I have *in general*. I'm not advocating obsession. But everyone (and I totally believe this) can have a normal body size regardless of bone structure. And it does not require obsessing over it. It only requires the right attitude. Your beliefs are wrong. But I don't think so. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: Your beliefs are wrong. But I don't think so. 
Fair enough. Think what you want. |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: But I don't think so.
Fair enough. Think what you want. It simply does not occur in other primates or animals (except the ones designed to retain fat). When you see fat housecats, or dogs this is obviously due to lifestyle and not evolution. Humans are primates. We have bi-polar vision that allows to reach for things in a 3-demensional space in front of us (an evolutionary trait of climbing). Likewise, we simply are not designed to be heavy. We would never have been able to survive . Again, society and modernization has allowed us to not have to struggle for food, etc. but I refuse to believe that some members of a primate species are just “big” naturally. I’ts a lifestyle choice. Always will be to me. Obesity runs in my family on my father’s side (All his sisters but one were fat, and he was fat). But in every case, when they made efforts to loose weight, and changed their lifestyle, they dropped weight. My dad went from fat to medium, even though he eventually died of a heart attack (he was a heavy smoker). I don’t want to sound cold. But I believe that only people with very specific medial conditions can’t be at least within the medium range. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: But why, to you, is not OK to accept that you're fat? It IS quite possible to be fat and healthy. If you know you're healthy, if you eat right and exercise, why should anyone not accept their body for what it is. Because eating right and exercising does not always make someone thin. I'd be thin right now if that were the case. Why should I spend the rest of my life obsessing over it? Again, these are precepts I have *in general*. I'm not advocating obsession. But everyone (and I totally believe this) can have a normal body size regardless of bone structure. And it does not require obsessing over it. It only requires the right attitude. I think so too. I also don't believe that its means everyone is thin as a rail. Some people think fat includes being thick.  There is nothing FAT about being thick.
Also to note, the older you get the less you are supposed to eat. Quit the mentality that you MUST eat 3 meals a day. This is wrong. .. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said:
Fair enough. Think what you want. It simply does not occur in other primates or animals (except the ones designed to retain fat). When you see fat housecats, or dogs this is obviously due to lifestyle and not evolution. Humans are primates. We have bi-polar vision that allows to reach for things in a 3-demensional space in front of us (an evolutionary trait of climbing). Likewise, we simply are not designed to be heavy. We would never have been able to survive . Again, society and modernization has allowed us to not have to struggle for food, etc. but I refuse to believe that some members of a primate species are just “big” naturally. I’ts a lifestyle choice. Always will be to me. Obesity runs in my family on my father’s side (All his sisters but one were fat, and he was fat). But in every case, when they made efforts to loose weight, and changed their lifestyle, they dropped weight. My dad went from fat to medium, even though he eventually died of a heart attack (he was a heavy smoker). I don’t want to sound cold. But I believe that only people with very specific medial conditions can’t be at least within the medium range. I've read several books. And just recently I heard on the BBC that they have me conducted some studies claiming that our over wieght problem has a direct link to polution. Air, Food, Water pollution. Of course the people who are createing all this polution wants to dismiss the idea. .. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said:
Fair enough. Think what you want. It simply does not occur in other primates or animals (except the ones designed to retain fat). When you see fat housecats, or dogs this is obviously due to lifestyle and not evolution. Humans are primates. We have bi-polar vision that allows to reach for things in a 3-demensional space in front of us (an evolutionary trait of climbing). Likewise, we simply are not designed to be heavy. We would never have been able to survive . Again, society and modernization has allowed us to not have to struggle for food, etc. but I refuse to believe that some members of a primate species are just “big” naturally. I’ts a lifestyle choice. Always will be to me. Obesity runs in my family on my father’s side (All his sisters but one were fat, and he was fat). But in every case, when they made efforts to loose weight, and changed their lifestyle, they dropped weight. My dad went from fat to medium, even though he eventually died of a heart attack (he was a heavy smoker). I don’t want to sound cold. But I believe that only people with very specific medial conditions can’t be at least within the medium range. You're trying to use science to explain away your theory, and yet you say obesity 'runs' on your father's side of the family. So, you think it's genetic? And if so, if you are genetcially predisposed to be large, eat healthy and exercise and are still large, what's the big deal? |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: It simply does not occur in other primates or animals (except the ones designed to retain fat). When you see fat housecats, or dogs this is obviously due to lifestyle and not evolution. Humans are primates. We have bi-polar vision that allows to reach for things in a 3-demensional space in front of us (an evolutionary trait of climbing). Likewise, we simply are not designed to be heavy. We would never have been able to survive . Again, society and modernization has allowed us to not have to struggle for food, etc. but I refuse to believe that some members of a primate species are just “big” naturally. I’ts a lifestyle choice. Always will be to me. Obesity runs in my family on my father’s side (All his sisters but one were fat, and he was fat). But in every case, when they made efforts to loose weight, and changed their lifestyle, they dropped weight. My dad went from fat to medium, even though he eventually died of a heart attack (he was a heavy smoker). I don’t want to sound cold. But I believe that only people with very specific medial conditions can’t be at least within the medium range. You're trying to use science to explain away your theory, and yet you say obesity 'runs' on your father's side of the family. So, you think it's genetic? And if so, if you are genetcially predisposed to be large, eat healthy and exercise and are still large, what's the big deal? I regrest having said that. Yeah, some people have genetic advantages when it comes to looking good. But with my family, I thought I also stated that when they made the right lifestyle choices, they dropped weight--my dad enough so to be in the medium range. Not a single one of my aunts did yard work, exercised, so much as walked around the neighborhood just to do so. The were heavy because they were lazy, genetics or not. Human beings are NOT supposed to be heavy. We're just not. | |
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SpisaRibb said: AsianBomb777 said: It simply does not occur in other primates or animals (except the ones designed to retain fat). When you see fat housecats, or dogs this is obviously due to lifestyle and not evolution. Humans are primates. We have bi-polar vision that allows to reach for things in a 3-demensional space in front of us (an evolutionary trait of climbing). Likewise, we simply are not designed to be heavy. We would never have been able to survive . Again, society and modernization has allowed us to not have to struggle for food, etc. but I refuse to believe that some members of a primate species are just “big” naturally. I’ts a lifestyle choice. Always will be to me. Obesity runs in my family on my father’s side (All his sisters but one were fat, and he was fat). But in every case, when they made efforts to loose weight, and changed their lifestyle, they dropped weight. My dad went from fat to medium, even though he eventually died of a heart attack (he was a heavy smoker). I don’t want to sound cold. But I believe that only people with very specific medial conditions can’t be at least within the medium range. I've read several books. And just recently I heard on the BBC that they have me conducted some studies claiming that our over wieght problem has a direct link to polution. Air, Food, Water pollution. Of course the people who are createing all this polution wants to dismiss the idea. It's lifestyle. The pollution hasn't cuase other animals to gain weight. Maybe those living in more polutted areas, live an urban "american" pepsi-and-fast food lifestyle. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: You're trying to use science to explain away your theory, and yet you say obesity 'runs' on your father's side of the family. So, you think it's genetic? And if so, if you are genetcially predisposed to be large, eat healthy and exercise and are still large, what's the big deal? I regrest having said that. Yeah, some people have genetic advantages when it comes to looking good. But with my family, I thought I also stated that when they made the right lifestyle choices, they dropped weight--my dad enough so to be in the medium range. Not a single one of my aunts did yard work, exercised, so much as walked around the neighborhood just to do so. The were heavy because they were lazy, genetics or not. Human beings are NOT supposed to be heavy. We're just not. And yet there are examples of heavy people all throughout history, art throughout the ages. I guess each and every one of them was lazy and unhealthy. |
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AsianBomb777 said: SpisaRibb said: I've read several books. And just recently I heard on the BBC that they have me conducted some studies claiming that our over wieght problem has a direct link to polution. Air, Food, Water pollution. Of course the people who are createing all this polution wants to dismiss the idea. It's lifestyle. The pollution hasn't cuase other animals to gain weight. Maybe those living in more polutted areas, live an urban "american" pepsi-and-fast food lifestyle.  .. | |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: I regrest having said that. Yeah, some people have genetic advantages when it comes to looking good. But with my family, I thought I also stated that when they made the right lifestyle choices, they dropped weight--my dad enough so to be in the medium range. Not a single one of my aunts did yard work, exercised, so much as walked around the neighborhood just to do so. The were heavy because they were lazy, genetics or not. Human beings are NOT supposed to be heavy. We're just not. And yet there are examples of heavy people all throughout history, art throughout the ages. I guess each and every one of them was lazy and unhealthy.  especially the caucasians that are fat depicted in paintings...they were wealthy fat and lazy. Fat = wealth in many cultures. Wealth = lazy.. | |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: I regrest having said that. Yeah, some people have genetic advantages when it comes to looking good. But with my family, I thought I also stated that when they made the right lifestyle choices, they dropped weight--my dad enough so to be in the medium range. Not a single one of my aunts did yard work, exercised, so much as walked around the neighborhood just to do so. The were heavy because they were lazy, genetics or not. Human beings are NOT supposed to be heavy. We're just not. And yet there are examples of heavy people all throughout history, art throughout the ages. I guess each and every one of them was lazy and unhealthy. If you're talking about the Renaisence pictures, heavy women and men were considered alfuent, successful, and healthy. But these are also people who bleed you for being sick, or thought nothing of wearing lead based makeup, etc. etc. They knew little about being healthy. The VAST popuations during that period of time were not heavy. It's only that being wealthy allowed the ones that are depected in the paintings, and art to be the size that they are. Weight is due to lifestyle. period. Those who have to work harder than others--that's just their lot in life. They can chose to or not. I'm not saying that everyone should be thinner, but I am saying everyone could be thinner--significantly so for obese people. Look, argueing that there is a genetic disposition to being fat is one thing. But come on! Is the fact that 1/3 of Americans are obese and 1/2 of American adults are overweight due to genetics? I mean, are we genetically meant to be fatter than Etheopians or Asians countries? No. It's lifestyle. We are not meant to be fat. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: And yet there are examples of heavy people all throughout history, art throughout the ages. I guess each and every one of them was lazy and unhealthy. If you're talking about the Renaisence pictures, heavy women and men were considered alfuent, successful, and healthy. But these are also people who bleed you for being sick, or thought nothing of wearing lead based makeup, etc. etc. They knew little about being healthy. The VAST popuations during that period of time were not heavy. It's only that being wealthy allowed the ones that are depected in the paintings, and art to be the size that they are. Weight is due to lifestyle. period. Those who have to work harder than others--that's just their lot in life. They can chose to or not. I'm not saying that everyone should be thinner, but I am saying everyone could be thinner--significantly so for obese people. Look, argueing that there is a genetic disposition to being fat is one thing. But come on! Is the fact that 1/3 of Americans are obese and 1/2 of American adults are overweight due to genetics? I mean, are we genetically meant to be fatter than Etheopians or Asians countries? No. It's lifestyle. We are not meant to be fat. You're not gettting my point anyway. I'm done discussing this with you. |
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CarrieMpls said: AsianBomb777 said: If you're talking about the Renaisence pictures, heavy women and men were considered alfuent, successful, and healthy. But these are also people who bleed you for being sick, or thought nothing of wearing lead based makeup, etc. etc. They knew little about being healthy. The VAST popuations during that period of time were not heavy. It's only that being wealthy allowed the ones that are depected in the paintings, and art to be the size that they are. Weight is due to lifestyle. period. Those who have to work harder than others--that's just their lot in life. They can chose to or not. I'm not saying that everyone should be thinner, but I am saying everyone could be thinner--significantly so for obese people. Look, argueing that there is a genetic disposition to being fat is one thing. But come on! Is the fact that 1/3 of Americans are obese and 1/2 of American adults are overweight due to genetics? I mean, are we genetically meant to be fatter than Etheopians or Asians countries? No. It's lifestyle. We are not meant to be fat. You're not gettting my point anyway. I'm done discussing this with you. Look don't get upset with me. My intention is not to do that. I understand what alot of people struggle with. And I get your point. But like you disagreeing with me, I disagree with you. But I can't just concede my point because someone disagrees. I understand that there is a standard deviation in what is healthy. That a larger person can still be healthy. I understand that. But in general, and in *most* cases, lifestyle is far more important than what our mothers and fathers passed down. And for those of us with no medial reason, there is nothing that is preventing us from reaching a healthy, ideal weight (as defined by medical standards and social norms). It's achievable. And there's no reason to starve or kill ourselves to do it. | |
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Actually, I think I'm done with this thead now too.
All I'm doing is pissing people off when that isn't my intention. It was a great discussion though. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: You're not gettting my point anyway. I'm done discussing this with you. Look don't get upset with me. My intention is not to do that. I understand what alot of people struggle with. And I get your point. But like you disagreeing with me, I disagree with you. But I can't just concede my point because someone disagrees. I understand that there is a standard deviation in what is healthy. That a larger person can still be healthy. I understand that. But in general, and in *most* cases, lifestyle is far more important than what our mothers and fathers passed down. And for those of us with no medial reason, there is nothing that is preventing us from reaching a healthy, ideal weight (as defined by medical standards and social norms). It's achievable. And there's no reason to starve or kill ourselves to do it. I completly agree and I really do not understand how anyone could get pissed off over what you said, Dan. Now, I'm gonna go take a measly 30 minutes out of my day and do a hardcore spinning session. | |
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JustErin said: AsianBomb777 said: Look don't get upset with me. My intention is not to do that. I understand what alot of people struggle with. And I get your point. But like you disagreeing with me, I disagree with you. But I can't just concede my point because someone disagrees. I understand that there is a standard deviation in what is healthy. That a larger person can still be healthy. I understand that. But in general, and in *most* cases, lifestyle is far more important than what our mothers and fathers passed down. And for those of us with no medial reason, there is nothing that is preventing us from reaching a healthy, ideal weight (as defined by medical standards and social norms). It's achievable. And there's no reason to starve or kill ourselves to do it. I completly agree and I really do not understand how anyone could get pissed off over what you said, Dan. Now, I'm gonna go take a measly 30 minutes out of my day and do a hardcore spinning session. Thanks Erin
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Oh, and I'm really really done now.
This thread takes too long to load now, and I think it's crashing the org. 
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AsianBomb777 said: Actually, I think I'm done with this thead now too.
All I'm doing is pissing people off when that isn't my intention. It was a great discussion though. Awwwww. I would hope that you didn't piss anyone off, just by voicing your opinion. I don't think thats the case. I haven't read every single word, just skimmed through. But I have to agree, and I think any doctor would also agree that it is not healthy to be overweight, and that actually the majority of American consume WAY too many calories each day and eat the wrong foods. Rapid weight loss in a short period of time is HARD work and is not necessarily healthy, but overall lifestyle changes and gradual weight loss (for an overweight person) is extremely healthy and beneficial. As any doctor in the world will tell you. I'm not up on all the studies on genetics and all, but I'm sure that for the MOST part if you eat healthy and have an active lifestyle you are not going to be fat. The big boned theory is a crock. Yeah, some people have a larger build, but fat and overall stature are 2 totally different things. FAT is not healthy. Heart Didease is a leading cause of death in women, and the more fat (especially around your waist) the more at risc you are for heart disease. Anyways, that being said, weight loss is EXTREMELY difficult, but it is possible, and worth it, in the long run. Just like quitting smoking, quitting drinking, not being a crack head, not having unprotected sex, or whatever. It just is. | |
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I'm putting on weight but find it hilarious. I'll love being a fat bastard. I've enjoyed my time as a spunky Bowiesque young thruster. This isn't me anyway, just the shell I'm abusing and making a monkey of. Thank Christ ears don't get fat though. And fuck this sacramento bitch who ruined this Dylan bootleg by talking about how she wants to get banoffe pie after the show.  | |
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If the forum is going to end, I'd like one last word...
Kimora Lee Simmons....example of a beautiful woman, gorgeous body, wealthy, successful..Right? married to a high powered successful man. She did an interview with Vanity Fair. The majority of her language was..Fuck..interspersed throughout the interview, along with "if any woman even looks at my man, I'll kick her ass" type of talk. Appearance is not the end all. It still matters what's going on from the neck up. Physical attractiveness doesn't have staying power. And the men drawn to that don't have staying power either. (Her husband must have been totally humiliated and embarassed by the interview.) On another note, no matter how many times I look in the mirror, I,m not any taller. The good thing is, I'm 100% OK with it. I even wear moccasins. Have a whole collection.
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AsianBomb777 said: CarrieMpls said: But why, to you, is not OK to accept that you're fat? It IS quite possible to be fat and healthy. If you know you're healthy, if you eat right and exercise, why should anyone not accept their body for what it is. Because eating right and exercising does not always make someone thin. I'd be thin right now if that were the case. Why should I spend the rest of my life obsessing over it? Again, these are precepts I have *in general*. I'm not advocating obsession. But everyone (and I totally believe this) can have a normal body size regardless of bone structure. And it does not require obsessing over it. It only requires the right attitude.  | |
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Number23 said: I'm putting on weight but find it hilarious. I'll love being a fat bastard. I've enjoyed my time as a spunky Bowiesque young thruster. This isn't me anyway, just the shell I'm abusing and making a monkey of. Thank Christ ears don't get fat though. And fuck this sacramento bitch who ruined this Dylan bootleg by talking about how she wants to get banoffe pie after the show.
Haha. U may be more pretentious then a 3 disc rick wakeman album, but u make sense. Seriously, if ur fat, so what? It should not make u feel bad. Why is being fat so bad? Its typical American or Hollywood bullshit that makes girls (and boys) starve themselves, or believe they must gain mucsle. I know i look fucking terrible, have acne, glasses, bad hair, u name it. But shit, i can still get girlfriends. Sure, i cant rely on my looks, but beleive it, if u saw a pic of me, u'd think "how did that guy ever get laid?" Iam only confident about how shit i look. Meh so what. Hitchcock was a fat fucker too. He didn't do too badly did he? | |
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thesexofit said: Number23 said: I'm putting on weight but find it hilarious. I'll love being a fat bastard. I've enjoyed my time as a spunky Bowiesque young thruster. This isn't me anyway, just the shell I'm abusing and making a monkey of. Thank Christ ears don't get fat though. And fuck this sacramento bitch who ruined this Dylan bootleg by talking about how she wants to get banoffe pie after the show.
Haha. U may be more pretentious then a 3 disc rick wakeman album, but u make sense. Seriously, if ur fat, so what? It should not make u feel bad. Why is being fat so bad? Its typical American or Hollywood bullshit that makes girls (and boys) starve themselves, or believe they must gain mucsle. I know i look fucking terrible, have acne, glasses, bad hair, u name it. But shit, i can still get girlfriends. Sure, i cant rely on my looks, but beleive it, if u saw a pic of me, u'd think "how did that guy ever get laid?" Iam only confident about how shit i look. Meh so what. Hitchcock was a fat fucker too. He didn't do too badly did he? Rick Wakeman put King Arthur on ice at the height of 'punk'. To me, that was more 'punk' than anything that clueless prick Lydon ever did. I think that wee insight verifies my pretentiousness, but that's only a world invented by silly cunts who feel left out in the cold by the intellectual elite. I also hate people who put ''s around a word. But sometimes there's no other option. | |
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Number23 said: thesexofit said: Haha. U may be more pretentious then a 3 disc rick wakeman album, but u make sense. Seriously, if ur fat, so what? It should not make u feel bad. Why is being fat so bad? Its typical American or Hollywood bullshit that makes girls (and boys) starve themselves, or believe they must gain mucsle. I know i look fucking terrible, have acne, glasses, bad hair, u name it. But shit, i can still get girlfriends. Sure, i cant rely on my looks, but beleive it, if u saw a pic of me, u'd think "how did that guy ever get laid?" Iam only confident about how shit i look. Meh so what. Hitchcock was a fat fucker too. He didn't do too badly did he? Rick Wakeman put King Arthur on ice at the height of 'punk'. To me, that was more 'punk' than anything that clueless prick Lydon ever did. I think that wee insight verifies my pretentiousness, but that's only a world invented by silly cunts who feel left out in the cold by the intellectual elite. I also hate people who put ''s around a word. But sometimes there's no other option. Who am i to criticise? I didn't mean no offence. I actually own a few of rick's solo albums (and Yes, ELP, i even own their later stuff). As for wakeman, he's a funny guy. He goes on countdown quite alot it seems? Yeah Lydon is as punk as an average boyband member to me personally, of course, i like boyband drivel. Iam a definate dimwit, but i don't mind LOL | |
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thesexofit said: Number23 said: Rick Wakeman put King Arthur on ice at the height of 'punk'. To me, that was more 'punk' than anything that clueless prick Lydon ever did. I think that wee insight verifies my pretentiousness, but that's only a world invented by silly cunts who feel left out in the cold by the intellectual elite. I also hate people who put ''s around a word. But sometimes there's no other option. Who am i to criticise? I didn't mean no offence. I actually own a few of rick's solo albums (and Yes, ELP, i even own their later stuff). As for wakeman, he's a funny guy. He goes on countdown quite alot it seems? Yeah Lydon is as punk as an average boyband member to me personally, of course, i like boyband drivel. Iam a definate dimwit, but i don't mind LOL Hey, I love you, man. Some of your posts are extraordinary in their honesty.  | |
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Number23 said: thesexofit said: Who am i to criticise? I didn't mean no offence. I actually own a few of rick's solo albums (and Yes, ELP, i even own their later stuff). As for wakeman, he's a funny guy. He goes on countdown quite alot it seems? Yeah Lydon is as punk as an average boyband member to me personally, of course, i like boyband drivel. Iam a definate dimwit, but i don't mind LOL Hey, I love you, man. Some of your posts are extraordinary in their honesty. Yeah, we're 2 opposites i guess. I don't get along with anyone here really. But iam OK with that. I can't communicate on the internet. Anyway, back to the topic..... | |
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