Ah....wow...to be completely honest with you all...I didn't expect this thread to go the way it has gone. But, I, as with others here, have (obviously) strong opinions about this topic and I think we've arrived at some interesting points. (btw, Dan...I didn't mean to lash out at you...that was not my intent...but, my dad was a truckdriver and swore like one, so "bullshit" is what came out )

After reading all of this and digesting it a bit...I guess it simply comes down to what we each value...for example, I couldn't care less about wearing a pair of low-rise jeans or if my man has six-pack abs, it's just not important to me. Yes, I take care of myself and take pride in my appearance (I pick the nicest photos of myself to post here )...do I have a perfect body? Hell no. I'd have to quit my job and work out eight hours a day, every day to get that (it's just the way my metabolism is) and I can't do that. But, I'm healthier and look younger than most people my age...ask my doctor.
We ALL have qualities that are beautiful...and things about us that are exceptional and should value ourselves (and ideally, should be valued by others) for those things. Throughout history and from culture to culture what has been considered to be physically ideal has changed so drastically and will continue to do so...and that is based upon many things...but, to devalue a person to the point of insult or to believe that said person is not deserving of love or happiness is just almost inhuman, imho...and, frankly, it's awfully painful. Yes, we should all strive to be take care of ourselves and be our best (whatever that is for ourselves) but, we all cannot be measured by such a narrow standard of excellence.

BULLSHIT!

I can't speak for anyone else but I usually wait til someone opens their mouths before I refer to them as stupid or shallow.

it has been on! it's practically my org soundtrack

You've been waiting to do that for hours, haven't you?

what does nin mean??

someone had a nose job but yeah, he's hot

YES!


I'm still trying to figure out a way to get you back for the protein-and-soy-milk shake though.

Ah....wow...to be completely honest with you all...I didn't expect this thread to go the way it has gone. But, I, as with others here, have (obviously) strong opinions about this topic and I think we've arrived at some interesting points. (btw, Dan...I didn't mean to lash out at you...that was not my intent...but, my dad was a truckdriver and swore like one, so "bullshit" is what came out )

After reading all of this and digesting it a bit...I guess it simply comes down to what we each value...for example, I couldn't care less about wearing a pair of low-rise jeans or if my man has six-pack abs, it's just not important to me. Yes, I take care of myself and take pride in my appearance (I pick the nicest photos of myself to post here )...do I have a perfect body? Hell no. I'd have to quit my job and work out eight hours a day, every day to get that (it's just the way my metabolism is) and I can't do that. But, I'm healthier and look younger than most people my age...ask my doctor.
We ALL have qualities that are beautiful...and things about us that are exceptional and should value ourselves (and ideally, should be valued by others) for those things. Throughout history and from culture to culture what has been considered to be physically ideal has changed so drastically and will continue to do so...and that is based upon many things...but, to devalue a person to the point of insult or to believe that said person is not deserving of love or happiness is just almost inhuman, imho...and, frankly, it's awfully painful. Yes, we should all strive to be take care of ourselves and be our best (whatever that is for ourselves) but, we all cannot be measured by such a narrow standard of excellence.

Ah....wow...to be completely honest with you all...I didn't expect this thread to go the way it has gone. But, I, as with others here, have (obviously) strong opinions about this topic and I think we've arrived at some interesting points. (btw, Dan...I didn't mean to lash out at you...that was not my intent...but, my dad was a truckdriver and swore like one, so "bullshit" is what came out )

After reading all of this and digesting it a bit...I guess it simply comes down to what we each value...for example, I couldn't care less about wearing a pair of low-rise jeans or if my man has six-pack abs, it's just not important to me. Yes, I take care of myself and take pride in my appearance (I pick the nicest photos of myself to post here )...do I have a perfect body? Hell no. I'd have to quit my job and work out eight hours a day, every day to get that (it's just the way my metabolism is) and I can't do that. But, I'm healthier and look younger than most people my age...ask my doctor.
We ALL have qualities that are beautiful...and things about us that are exceptional and should value ourselves (and ideally, should be valued by others) for those things. Throughout history and from culture to culture what has been considered to be physically ideal has changed so drastically and will continue to do so...and that is based upon many things...but, to devalue a person to the point of insult or to believe that said person is not deserving of love or happiness is just almost inhuman, imho...and, frankly, it's awfully painful. Yes, we should all strive to be take care of ourselves and be our best (whatever that is for ourselves) but, we all cannot be measured by such a narrow standard of excellence.

I was seriously trying to help you.


Can you forgive me and my dirty, working-class roots? My dad could say "son-of-a-bitch" in three languages

yeah, and the zit under his mouth went away too.

see, where striving to look better can get you???

do you think he'd do me???

I think far more than lack of beauty, people are devalued for lack of intelligence, not just in relationships, but in the marketplace.

I was never upset. Just trying to sound smart.

I didn't see that.

I thought you were smart

.....uh, if THAT means anything.

I think far more than lack of beauty, people are devalued for lack of intelligence, not just in relationships, but in the marketplace.

Well...I think it's both, really. looks get you in the door...intelligence helps you stay there.

I disagree. Beauty standards are forced down our collective throats at every turn.

People will take money over beauty any day... Brains get the job done and get the profits.
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People will take money over beauty any day... Brains get the job done and get the profits.
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Mrs. Luv4all7 McDreamy

That has a ring to it!

Not in my company honey. It's all about how loud you scream.

The squeaky wheel always gets the oil.

i'm ignoring it...

I think far more than lack of beauty, people are devalued for lack of intelligence, not just in relationships, but in the marketplace.