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PrintableNDRU said: ZombieKitten said: I go around thinking I am hot, until I see a mirror
 That's what Allison says about pictures. 
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I'm honestly suprised at the responses from women here.
Carrie, Andrea, Red, Sweeny, Erin, you are all really beautiful. I've always thought that and I've been posting here for years. I guess that's what the title is for "self-acceptance" and I think it's also being a really cool person and being really damn beautiful in combo that makes me the most suprised. You've got to think it yourself but if you're looking for support from the opposite sex, here's me anytime I see one of your pictures --->  | |
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luv4all7 said: Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
Its all work and it's all HARD work. I HATE when people put down the fact that someone cares about their appearance. Just cuz they llok good outside doesn't mean they're not ALSO beautiful inside. It's not their fault some people are to damn lazy to fix what they look like. And I'm talking about extrememly overweight people before anyone jumps down my throat..... 
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Spats said: AsianBomb777 said: Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. Beauty is not in the eye of beholder. that's a myth. Everyone knows what is pretty and what is ugly. But some people just settle for ugly. How many will vote and say Brad Pitt is way better looking that Drew Carrey??? 98% of the population would. | |
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INSATIABLE said: luv4all7 said: Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
It's incredibly hard work to maintain a killer body and face, absolutely. But to be viewed as valuably as an education in law or medicine, for example? That's fucking hilarious. / 
Oh, oh, Mr Kotter, I want to jump in on that one. Ok so, I was in on this fucking amazing convo on this very subject and it changed the way I look at things a lot. ( Setting the scene.) A brilliant friend of mine -Kelly( Who by society standards and effort would be viewed as average in appearance) talked mass crap about another female friend of ours - Ann, for investing all her extra time into her looks. This is not to say it is all she was... but certainly she was no 140 IQ. Anyway, Our male friend had heard enough and in a very calm ( Not taking it personal) manor said that Kelly would really like it if Ann would compete on her level because then she could win in all ways( theoretically) because clearly Ann wasn't going to take Kelly intellectually nor in a depth competition. To which he said now how fair is that or are you? Shes doing the best with what she has been given and who are you devalue her and say she is lessor for doing her damn best with what she has been given to work with. He then said its not about you. When you start to view all in life that way you loose from the start. We all want to matter in this world and we were given different gifts to work with. The way I see this overall topic: Everybody wants to be valued and to be happy and to be loved. Some of us throw their deep souls forward and some deep intellect some throw beauty others kindness blah blah blah It doesn't mean this is all we are ... It just is what we throw up as what we feel is our strong suit... Who is to say what each is to be? ...or who is giving a more valuable part of themselves. I am tossing this to you because I think you will get it and for no other reason. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: Oh, oh, Mr Kotter, I want to jump in on that one.
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AsianBomb777 said: applekisses said: Dan...I'm glad you're healthier now...but, what's in bold up there is utter bullshit... sorry.Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside, whic I will call unpretty. I heard for years that I should dress a certain way or wear makeup, etc. So, I gave it the old college try and you know what? That ain't me. I love ME, not the made-up mascara, dress wearing person I tried to be. If someone can't look past the outside and get to know the inside, fuck 'em. I'll stick to wearing jeans and khakis and t-shirts and loving ME. | |
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Stymie said: AsianBomb777 said: Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside, whic I will call unpretty. I heard for years that I should dress a certain way or wear makeup, etc. So, I gave it the old college try and you know what? That ain't me. I love ME, not the made-up mascara, dress wearing person I tried to be. If someone can't look past the outside and get to know the inside, fuck 'em. I'll stick to wearing jeans and khakis and t-shirts and loving ME. That you've obtained that level of self-realization is great. But we must remember that just becuase they're good looking doesn't make them stupid. Anx is a hottie, but no idiot. And I don't think it's a bad thing that you don't look to the "hotties" for inspiration. All I'm saying is that they are not something to be loathed. Not something to be feared, and not something to be hated. They are what they are--very good looking people. Those of us who choose to admire them strictly for that feature aren't "full of shit" as so many on this thread have put it. We simply see beauty for what it is. Something to be admired, and inspire--and nothing more. I don't treat the good looking folks any better than anyone else. But if I want to masturbate to porn, Goddamnit, I'm going to have a yank to Jenna Jemison--not Rosie O'donnel. | |
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WillyWonka said: luv4all7 said: Yeah, and the people who work hard enough to work on their outward appearance deserve just as much props as the people who study law or WHATEVER.
Its all work and it's all HARD work. I HATE when people put down the fact that someone cares about their appearance. Just cuz they llok good outside doesn't mean they're not ALSO beautiful inside. It's not their fault some people are to damn lazy to fix what they look like. And I'm talking about extrememly overweight people before anyone jumps down my throat.....
[Edited 11/2/06 13:48pm] Unhealthily overweight individuals who work hard to become fit and healthy are to be admired for it is a wonderful accomplishment and takes effort and dedication. What I find sad is how many in today's society extoll the idea of "beauty" as the end-all be-all of human accomplishment, and who put physical perfection first in exclusion to almost all else. Caring about one's appearance is one thing; obsessing over it, holding it above all else in terms of importance, relying solely on it, and believing it somehow makes one elite or more deserving is another. Physical beauty can bring out so very much ugliness.  | |
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Stymie said: AsianBomb777 said: Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside, whic I will call unpretty. I heard for years that I should dress a certain way or wear makeup, etc. So, I gave it the old college try and you know what? That ain't me. I love ME, not the made-up mascara, dress wearing person I tried to be. If someone can't look past the outside and get to know the inside, fuck 'em. I'll stick to wearing jeans and khakis and t-shirts and loving ME. Ok you know how much I love you and I am out to make a point. I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside
Arent you running with what you feel is your strongest suite? because some chick who's dumb as a box of rocks looks great.
Arent you demeaning another human being that by your admission isnt gonna win a nobel peace prize for working with her strong suite? | |
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Stymie said: AsianBomb777 said: Nope. I stand by my opinion. There are always going to be beautiful folks who just look better than the rest of us. ALWAYS. And devalueing their beauty and saying that it's what's on the inside that counts, might make the less-than-beautiful feel better about themselves, but it does so through a bit of delusion. What's on the outside is important too. Most people have the ability to look great, or at least alot better than they do currently. Yet, we in America think we should just villafy the fashion industry and sometimes even our beauty idols for looking better than us. I say, it's their job to look better. Tyra Banks was born to look prettier than most other women. That's her lot in life. But would anybody want her to perform surgery on them? Or defend them in court? No, that's the job of smarter and more clever people. Everyone has their place. I strongly beleive that we should look at those who are smarter, and they should inspire us to ...oh I don't know... try and learn more. Those who are wiser, and say, that we ourselves can strive to become wiser. And yes--those who are prettier, and say, we ourselve can strive to look our best. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but there's a reason Brad Pitt gets paid to take his shirt off and Drew Carry (though handsome and "cute") doesn't. I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside, whic I will call unpretty. I heard for years that I should dress a certain way or wear makeup, etc. So, I gave it the old college try and you know what? That ain't me. I love ME, not the made-up mascara, dress wearing person I tried to be. If someone can't look past the outside and get to know the inside, fuck 'em. I'll stick to wearing jeans and khakis and t-shirts and loving ME. Says the woman who rocked some shit out all glam in Minnie
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AsianBomb777 said: Stymie said: Dan, I respectfully disagree with your posts. I do not look to The Beautiful Ones as inspiration to try to look my best. If I wanted to do that, it would be because I wanted to and not because some chick who's dumb as a box of rocks looks great.
I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside, whic I will call unpretty. I heard for years that I should dress a certain way or wear makeup, etc. So, I gave it the old college try and you know what? That ain't me. I love ME, not the made-up mascara, dress wearing person I tried to be. If someone can't look past the outside and get to know the inside, fuck 'em. I'll stick to wearing jeans and khakis and t-shirts and loving ME. That you've obtained that level of self-realization is great. But we must remember that just becuase they're good looking doesn't make them stupid. Anx is a hottie, but no idiot. And I don't think it's a bad thing that you don't look to the "hotties" for inspiration. All I'm saying is that they are not something to be loathed. Not something to be feared, and not something to be hated. They are what they are--very good looking people. Those of us who choose to admire them strictly for that feature aren't "full of shit" as so many on this thread have put it. We simply see beauty for what it is. Something to be admired, and inspire--and nothing more. I don't treat the good looking folks any better than anyone else. But if I want to masturbate to porn, Goddamnit, I'm going to have a yank to Jenna Jemison--not Rosie O'donnel. I find it interesting that many people, who feel that people should not be judged by their looks, often also assume that the so called "beautiful people" are stupid or shallow or do not accomplish anything in life but looking good. They are judging people simply by the way they look - the very thing they are crapping on others for doing. | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said:[quote] Stymie said: Arent you running with what you feel is your strongest suite? because some chick who's dumb as a box of rocks looks great.
Arent you demeaning another human being that by your admission isnt gonna win a nobel peace prize for working with her strong suite? Yes, I agree with you there. Take two opposites here: Paulina Poriskovich (sp?) Rick Ocasik (sp?) Paulina was possibly one of the hottest white chicks ever in the business when she married Rick Ocasik, a talented song writter, but ugly as sin. She saw him for more than just his looks (Even though she claims that he is georgous to her), and he saw her as a human being worth spending the rest of his life with. We each have our role in life. And beautiful people are no different. Sure some of them are vain and stupid--afterall, when you're really good looking, what's the incentive to have any other traits? Most people will just give you what you want in life. But this is not always true. AGAIN, I sound like a broken record, but I love looking at beautiful people. When I went to a triatholon last month, I saw some of the most beautiful people ever, and it inspired me to start running again. But I'm not trying to *be* one of them. I just see value in being inspired by them. I doubt I would get as much criticism if I said I thought Prince was a genius and he has inspired me to play guitar.  Nobody would tell me that I should just love myself for the tone-def motherfucker that I am. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: Paulina Poriskovich (sp?)
Rick Ocasik (sp?) Your spelling is ugly inside and out. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: Stymie said: Dan, I respectfully disagree with your posts. I do not look to The Beautiful Ones as inspiration to try to look my best. If I wanted to do that, it would be because I wanted to and not because some chick who's dumb as a box of rocks looks great.
I always wanted someone to value ME, not what they saw on the outside, whic I will call unpretty. I heard for years that I should dress a certain way or wear makeup, etc. So, I gave it the old college try and you know what? That ain't me. I love ME, not the made-up mascara, dress wearing person I tried to be. If someone can't look past the outside and get to know the inside, fuck 'em. I'll stick to wearing jeans and khakis and t-shirts and loving ME. That you've obtained that level of self-realization is great. But we must remember that just becuase they're good looking doesn't make them stupid. Anx is a hottie, but no idiot. And I don't think it's a bad thing that you don't look to the "hotties" for inspiration. All I'm saying is that they are not something to be loathed. Not something to be feared, and not something to be hated. They are what they are--very good looking people. Those of us who choose to admire them strictly for that feature aren't "full of shit" as so many on this thread have put it. We simply see beauty for what it is. Something to be admired, and inspire--and nothing more. I don't treat the good looking folks any better than anyone else. But if I want to masturbate to porn, Goddamnit, I'm going to have a yank to Jenna Jemison--not Rosie O'donnel. I do not hate beautiful people, I do not hate anyone but I'm not going to act like they are better than me because they happen to be prettier. | |
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2the9s said: AsianBomb777 said: Paulina Poriskovich (sp?)
Rick Ocasik (sp?) Your spelling is ugly inside and out.
Meanie!! | |
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2the9s said: AsianBomb777 said: Paulina Poriskovich (sp?)
Rick Ocasik (sp?) Your spelling is ugly inside and out. | |
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Illustrator said: Spats said: Start out clueless? I know women who are in their thirties still dating "bad boys". Eh...watchu gonna do? | |
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NDRU said: Spats said: No, every woman i have been with has been a nice woman. i have good taste in women. They might let me down in the end but it's not by being a bad person. but every woman you've dated has dated a jerk? did I read that right?  !!!! | |
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Stymie said: AsianBomb777 said: That you've obtained that level of self-realization is great. But we must remember that just becuase they're good looking doesn't make them stupid. Anx is a hottie, but no idiot. And I don't think it's a bad thing that you don't look to the "hotties" for inspiration. All I'm saying is that they are not something to be loathed. Not something to be feared, and not something to be hated. They are what they are--very good looking people. Those of us who choose to admire them strictly for that feature aren't "full of shit" as so many on this thread have put it. We simply see beauty for what it is. Something to be admired, and inspire--and nothing more. I don't treat the good looking folks any better than anyone else. But if I want to masturbate to porn, Goddamnit, I'm going to have a yank to Jenna Jemison--not Rosie O'donnel. I do not hate beautiful people, I do not hate anyone but I'm not going to act like they are better than me because they happen to be prettier. But when you see someone in great shape and decked out to the nines that doesn't inspire you? Or when you see someone who is really good at something, do you not want to do better? I'm not talking about a jealousy impulse, or a comparing-myself-to-that-person desire, but just pure "inspiration". I mean, when I hear music by someone I love, I get inspired to learn it. Likewise, when I see someone who just looks knockout great, it makes inspires me to get back in the gym because I know I can look and feel better myself. | |
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AsianBomb777 said: Stymie said: I'm not saying at all that beautiful people are dumb, which is why I said some but ya gotta admit, people like Paris Hilton or a Jessica Simpson or even a Beyonce are not very bright. I would still rather be me than them.
I do not hate beautiful people, I do not hate anyone but I'm not going to act like they are better than me because they happen to be prettier. But when you see someone in great shape and decked out to the nines that doesn't inspire you? Or when you see someone who is really good at something, do you not want to do better? I'm not talking about a jealousy impulse, or a comparing-myself-to-that-person desire, but just pure "inspiration". I mean, when I hear music by someone I love, I get inspired to learn it. Likewise, when I see someone who just looks knockout great, it makes inspires me to get back in the gym because I know I can look and feel better myself. What if you can't play music! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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2the9s said: AsianBomb777 said: Paulina Poriskovich (sp?)
Rick Ocasik (sp?) Your spelling is ugly inside and out. My photoshopping skills has made me not have to worry about writing. 
But 9sey's is a perfect example. He reads all these pointless books, and I know it inspires him to blog and write better. Sure, he's not much to look at--but he inspires *me* to be funnier and read more. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: AsianBomb777 said: But when you see someone in great shape and decked out to the nines that doesn't inspire you? Or when you see someone who is really good at something, do you not want to do better? I'm not talking about a jealousy impulse, or a comparing-myself-to-that-person desire, but just pure "inspiration". I mean, when I hear music by someone I love, I get inspired to learn it. Likewise, when I see someone who just looks knockout great, it makes inspires me to get back in the gym because I know I can look and feel better myself. What if you can't play music! It's still no excuse to hate musicians or call them stupid! | |
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Dan I agree with you overeating or straving is usually a indictation another problem that someone is dealing with unsuccessfully with food.
Health is beautiful. Healthy habits make healthy looks. Period. Honesty is sexy. Being able to walk into a room and say this is REALLY ME, that's beautiful. Being your best is beauty,not being some beauty magizine's best. If you're sixty years old don't go out and have your face lifted until it looks like a twin sheet on a queen bed. Don't wear clothes becuase some pin thin model wears then. Seriously, low rise jeans ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. [Edited 11/2/06 19:18pm] No More Haters on the Internet. | |
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littlemissG said: Dan I agree with you being overeating or straving is usually a indictation another problem that someone is dealing with unsuccessfully with food.
Health is beautiful. Healthy habits make healthy looks. Period. Honesty is sexy. Being to walk into a room and say this is REALLY ME, that's beautiful. Being your best is beauty,not being some beauty magizine's best. If you're sixty years old don't go out and have your face lifted until it looks like a twin sheet on a queen bed. Don't wear clothes becuase some pin thin model wears then. Seriously, low rise jeans ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. Gawd if THATS not an understatement. | |
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littlemissG said: Dan I agree with you being overeating or straving is usually a indictation another problem that someone is dealing with unsuccessfully with food.
Health is beautiful. Healthy habits make healthy looks. Period. Honesty is sexy. Being to walk into a room and say this is REALLY ME, that's beautiful. Being your best is beauty,not being some beauty magizine's best. If you're sixty years old don't go out and have your face lifted until it looks like a twin sheet on a queen bed. Don't wear clothes becuase some pin thin model wears then. Seriously, low rise jeans ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE.
So true. I think only the really healthy, in shape, good looking people with nice asses should wear those. But if one really wants to get into a pair of those jeans, they should be inspired by those folks to workout. Look, I'm not sayin you have to be 90 pounds and 6 feet tall. That shit doesn't matter. You dont' even need hair  . Plenty of good looking folks don't have hair. That kidelrich dude was a handsome chap, and he didn't have hair, nor was he tall. But he didn't need to be.
Most people just need to look at what they have, and work with it--this means taking care of what you have. And, AGAIN , if looking at a picture of Bruce Lee without his shirt on inspires you, then that should be considered a healthy thing, and not idol worship of "dumb good looking people" | |
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littlemissG said: Dan I agree with you being overeating or straving is usually a indictation another problem that someone is dealing with unsuccessfully with food.
Health is beautiful. Healthy habits make healthy looks. Period. Honesty is sexy. Being to walk into a room and say this is REALLY ME, that's beautiful. Being your best is beauty,not being some beauty magizine's best. If you're sixty years old don't go out and have your face lifted until it looks like a twin sheet on a queen bed. Don't wear clothes becuase some pin thin model wears then. Seriously, low rise jeans ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. but live and let live and see that often we react to others based on our agendas... and are at risk of exuding the very behavior that we ourselves are hurt by.
B A L A N C E ! ..broken clap edit [Edited 11/2/06 19:06pm] | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said: littlemissG said: Dan I agree with you being overeating or straving is usually a indictation another problem that someone is dealing with unsuccessfully with food.
Health is beautiful. Healthy habits make healthy looks. Period. Honesty is sexy. Being to walk into a room and say this is REALLY ME, that's beautiful. Being your best is beauty,not being some beauty magizine's best. If you're sixty years old don't go out and have your face lifted until it looks like a twin sheet on a queen bed. Don't wear clothes becuase some pin thin model wears then. Seriously, low rise jeans ARE NOT FOR EVERYONE. but live and let live and see that often we react to others based on our agendas... and are at risk of exuding the very behavior that we ourselves are hurt by.
B A L A N C E ! ..broken clap edit[Edited 11/2/06 19:06pm]
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AsianBomb777 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: What if you can't play music! It's still no excuse to hate musicians or call them stupid! What if they're stupid! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Muse2NOPharaoh said:[quote] Stymie said: Arent you running with what you feel is your strongest suite? because some chick who's dumb as a box of rocks looks great.
Arent you demeaning another human being that by your admission isnt gonna win a nobel peace prize for working with her strong suite? I want to say for the record. I do not think all beautiful folk are dumb as a box of rocks. | |
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