HereToRockYourWorld said:

So the National Office of Animal health in the UK is wrong then

The NOAH Animal Medicines Data Sheets Compendium contains data on all animal medicines used in the UK.
http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk

The National Office of Animal Health (NOAH) represents the UK animal medicines industry whose aim is to provide safe, effective, quality medicines for the treatment and welfare of all animals.
http://www.noah.co.uk/

The British Small Animal Veterinary Association.
www.bsava.com

The British Association of Homoeopathic Veterinary Surgeons.
www.bahvs.com

Garlic & Fenugreek tablets are a Licensed veterinary treatment
http://www.noahcompendium...35567.html

Garlic and Fenugreek Tablets:
Powdered Fenugreek 16mg. Ph.Eur.
Essential Oil of Garlic 0.22mg. MS
Colouring ingredient
Titanium Dioxide (E171) 1mg. Ph.Eur.
Clinical particulars
Target species
Dogs and cats
Indications for use
A traditional herbal remedy for the symptomatic relief of minor infections, coughs, skin conditions, osteoarthritis and rheumatism in dogs and cats.
Contra-indications
None
Undesirable effects
None known
Special precautions for use
If condition fails to improve within 7 days, consult a veterinary surgeon.
Use during pregnancy and lactation
No restrictions necessary.
Interactions with other medicaments and other forms of interaction
None
Posology and method of administration
1 tablet per 5-10kg bodyweight daily as a maintenance dose. 2 tablets per 5-10kg bodyweight daily as a treatment dose. Oral administration
Overdose
No treatment specified
Special warnings
None necessary
Withdrawal periods
Not applicable
Special precautions to be taken by the person administering the product
None necessary

Legal category
AVM-GSL (previously GSL).

katt said:

Those specific tablets have less than a milligram of garlic. It is true that such a small quantity is unlikely to harm (which doesn't mean it's likely to help). That doesn't mean it's safe to give your cat "essential oil of garlic".

It's also categorized as "AVM-GSL". It's an over-the-counter supplement sold by a company that sells herbal veterinary remedies. The vast majority of these sorts of things have no research showing that they work. Some have research showing that they DON'T.

I can't find where the BSAVA is saying that garlic is safe for cats. Garlic is, however, on the AVMA list of common toxic substances.


You can fucking at me as much as you want. I'm coming from a place of knowledge. You're coming from a place of woowoo. My advice will not harm anybody's pet. Yours might.

I supposed that’s directed at me.
Well dear I listen 2 my qualified vets 1 conventional vet & 1 holistic vet who are the top in their field in the UK and also one of the leading animal hospitals in the UK who have coventional & holistic vets that work side by side. I believe they are more qualified than you & a vet student. Now if these Items as you say are classified as dangerous for animals you tell me how they managed to get a License to be used Veterinary treatment
See bellow 2 see medications that I wrote about are Licensed for Veterinary treatment in cats and dogs

Garlic & Fenugreek tablets are a Licensed veterinary treatment
http://www.noahcompendium...35567.html

Garlic and Fenugreek Tablets:
Powdered Fenugreek 16mg. Ph.Eur.
Essential Oil of Garlic 0.22mg. MS
Colouring ingredient
Titanium Dioxide (E171) 1mg. Ph.Eur.
Clinical particulars
Target species
Dogs and cats
Indications for use
A traditional herbal remedy for the symptomatic relief of minor infections, coughs, skin conditions, osteoarthritis and rheumatism in dogs and cats.
Contra-indications
None
Undesirable effects
None known
Special precautions for use
If condition fails to improve within 7 days, consult a veterinary surgeon.
Use during pregnancy and lactation
No restrictions necessary.
Interactions with other medicaments and other forms of interaction
None
Posology and method of administration
1 tablet per 5-10kg bodyweight daily as a maintenance dose. 2 tablets per 5-10kg bodyweight daily as a treatment dose. Oral administration
Overdose
No treatment specified
Special warnings
None necessary
Withdrawal periods
Not applicable
Special precautions to be taken by the person administering the product
None necessary

Legal category
AVM-GSL (previously GSL).

Scullcap and Valerian http://www.noahcompendium...35528.html

Powdered Dry Ext Mistletoe 3:1 50mg MS
Powdered Dry Ext Valerian 5:1 50mg MS
Powdered Scullcap herb 30mg BHP
Powdered Dry Ext Gentian 2:1 24mg MS
Coating ingredients
Ferric Oxide Yellow (E172) 0.1mg MS
Titanium Dioxide (E171) 0.8mg Ph.Eur.

Clinical particulars
Target species
Dogs and cats
Indications for use
A traditional herbal remedy for the symptomatic relief of anxiety, nervousness, excitability and travel sickness, and an adjunct in the treatment of epilepsy in dogs and cats.
Contra-indications
None
Undesirable effects
None known
Special precautions for use
If condition fails to improve, consult a veterinary surgeon. Epilepsy should only be treated in conjunction with a veterinary surgeon.
Use during pregnancy and lactation
No data is available to support the safety of the use of this product in pregnant or lactating animals. Therefore the use of this product in pregnant or lactating animals is not recommended.
Interactions with other medicaments and other forms of interaction
None
Posology and method of administration
1-2 tablets per 5kg bodyweight daily. Can be used on a daily basis or as and when required for specific occasions or situations, when the higher dosage rate should be given. Oral administration
Overdose
No treatment specified
Special warnings
None necessary
Withdrawal periods
Not applicable
Special precautions to be taken by the person administering the product
None necessary

Legal category
AVM-GSL (previously GSL).


Maybe U should contact all the list bellow and ask them first before making ur comments.

The NOAH Animal Medicines Data Sheets Compendium contains data on all animal medicines used in the UK.
http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk

The National Office of Animal Health (NOAH) represents the UK animal medicines industry whose aim is to provide safe, effective, quality medicines for the treatment and welfare of all animals.
http://www.noah.co.uk/

Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons
www.rcvs.org.uk

The British Small Animal Veterinary Association.
www.bsava.com

The British Association of Homoeopathic Veterinary Surgeons.
www.bahvs.com

Department for environmental food and rural affairs (Animal health and welfare)
http://www.defra.gov.uk/a...imindx.htm

katt said:

I've already answered this in my previous post. I don't think you really understand the information you're presenting. This effect is very well-documented, and I feel ridiculous arguing with you about it. Have your vet come post. I'd be happy to discuss it with them.

I did want to mention that valerian is a stimulant in cats (like catnip, both of which have a sedative effect in humans) and could make anxiety-induced alopecia worse.

Anyway, I guess anybody who comes to the org for veterinary advice gets what they pay for.

HereToRockYourWorld said:

I am a qualified nurse I do have some medical knowledge, I prefer 2 listen 2 qualified Veterinary surgeons they are the ones who give out the medications and know exactly how the medications work. I told the person to visit a qualified Veterinary surgeon who also works in the holistic field, also only to purchase from a licensed holistic medications, I gave advice it is up 2 the person 2 take it or not
You can name call all you please at the end of the day those who are qualified in the profession are the ones I listen 2.

katt said:

Good!

I mean, I do have a pretty solid understanding of how garlic works in cats. I've seen sick cats come into a clinic having eaten it, personally drawn their blood, put it on a slide, looked at it, SEEN the Heinz bodies that affect the red blood cells, discussed it with a veterinarian. . . I think I'm quite aware of how this particular "medication" works. Though, in this case, I could have GOOGLED IT (have you done that?) and seen the reams of information about how cats shouldn't eat the stuff. If such widespread agreement/understanding is wrong, that requires an explanation, eh?

As for name-calling, "woowoo" is about an approach, not a person. Many (but not all) holistic/naturopathic folks fall into that category, and basically all homeopathic people do too. It's an approach that I obviously do not respect, and I'd be happy to discuss it in a context where we aren't being big bad threadjackers. While I question your choice of professionals if they see no problem with feeding cats garlic, I otherwise think that listening to your vet is an excellent idea, as has been my main, stated point all along.

I want a cat, but I am moving back to Japan next year.

actionthisday said:

How much is a plane ticket for a pet nowadays???

I fancy the girl from Be Your Own Pet.....does that count?

muirdo said:

Only if you get to rub her behind the ears.

Isn't it christians or maybe catholics that say animals do not go to heaven as they have no souls? What a fucked up thing to say.


I caught a big ass spider in my room today. My girlfriend wanted me to kill it. Iam like hell no. I just trapped it (carefully, so none of its legs got snapped off), and put it outside gently. They are easier to catch then daddy long legs. Ok that had nothing to do with the thread question.

katt said:

Just out of curiosity, are you a veterinary nurse or a human nurse?

Garlic and onions are no good for cats and it is best to avoid them all together. Cats are very sensitive to practically everything and it is better to err on the side of caution with them.

Some homeopathic remedies can work but stick with those recommended by your vet, not the internet.

Melissa, you rock.

that is all.

HereToRockYourWorld said:

I understand you concerns I am not one for visiting Charlatans I have a family that are either doctors or lawyers and know how 2 weed the wheat from the chaff this is why I stated tell the owner of the cat to visit a qualified homeopathic vet. I am not sure if it is the same in the USA but in the UK first you have to be referred by a teaching hospital or your conventional vet to see a homeopathic vet. In the UK to be qualified as homeopathic vets you have to have studied for 5/6 years at university as a conventional vet then you do another 3 years study in homeopathic treatment this is on going for upto 5 years in the UK. I personally use only those in the profession that are highly respected and do teach in veterinary universities in the UK and that work side by side with conventional treatment. I have been introduced to Homeopathic medicines by my conventional vet because my dog has auto immune disease due to annual booster vaccines (Vaccine Company has agreed this is what occurred and have agreed to reimburse me for all medical costs for my dog’s life time health costs).

I do know that garlic can be dangerous to cats (I have a cat who will be 22 next year). Both vets agreed the course of action, we where surprised and did enquire more info how it was put to me was in large amounts Garlic can cause harm but not minute doses, homoeopathic remedies are very diluted to be safe to use and is gentle but powerful in its healing effect. A small amount of garlic for a period of one/two weeks can and does work for some cats with sever skin conditions especially if they have been placed on steroids for a long period of time. Garlic spray can be used as a deterrent to stop over grooming the area causing concerns as it is bitter 2 taste. My cat was given this and it has worked the vets and I agree that she had become a habitual groomer and that the Garlic spray bitter taste has stopped her and the area causing concern has improved. We are very pleased, so far the hair on her leg has grown she has stopped the over grooming and nibbling, we are currently weaning her of steroids as they are causing other health problems, she is an old lady now we are all in agreement to use less evasive treatments in future and allow her to live the rest of her life as pain free as we can. As I said before this should only be given under the care of qualified registered homeopathic vets who have studied as a conventional vet before.

I have not checked Google as I do know some websites are misinformed or some do have an agenda for example when my dog got ill and the vet mentioned that it could be due to his vaccination I google’d and came across the anti-vaccination people, we all know all medication have a risk but those are crazy people (I am sure you would agree with me on this) I personally prefer to only research on websites that are from the medical profession or be showing proof by those who are in the veterinarian profession.

I agree with you we shouldn’t high-jack the thread and that people should only give pets/humans medications that have been given by qualified vets/doctors who have studied that that field for years. Sadly they are some who do home treat humans/animals and do cause a multitude of health problems but I am not one of those. I certainly would like 2 converse further on this and if you have come across an animal with auto-immune disease.

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[Edited 11/1/06 11:03am]

I don't own a pet. My kitty lets me live with her

ellieadore said:

beautiful Bolly

JasmineFire said:

I am not a veterinary nurse; see my above post 2 HereToRockYourWorld (Melissa)
Do not presume the information on the products where only found on the internet the links above are from veterinary websites. The medications was given by a conventional/homeopathic veterinary surgeon who also teaches at a leading veterinary university in the UK. I am not one who totally believes in homeopathic remedies, the first port of call should always be someone qualified in the medical profession. As in qualified 5/6 years at veterinary university & 3/5 Homeopathic veterinary university.

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[Edited 11/1/06 6:19am]

I should have added how it works with me. I am doing this as I can now now see how my words have been taken out of context,
My words:

If my animal’s medication supply is low first I contact my conventional vet if it is conventional medicine he supplies this and I pick it up next day and make payment.

If my animal’s medication supply is low on homeopathic medication I first contact my conventional vet then he contacts the homeopathic vet then the homeopathic vet supplies this.
At all times both vets know exactly what medication is prescribed & the Contra-indications. The medication is then received from a licensed homeopathic pharmacy. The homeopathic pharmacy has a website that I have to log in and make payment for the medication then I receive it next day by post.The homeopathic vet who is also practices as conventional vet is a 4 hour driving from where I live, that is an 8 hour drive both ways so it easier to do this. I do not partake in all his services as due to the distance it was agreed by all (the vets & myself) it was sensible to stay with my local veterinary surgeon for emergencies situations. In the case of my dog both vets then fax/email details to the animal hospital.

I presumed this is the same practice in animal medicines all over the world but after researching Google this seems not to be the case in other countries.
Please only purchase treatments/medication from those who are qualified in the conventional & homeopathic veterinary field. Investigate them first before taking the service, make sure they are licensed and the care they offer is one that is agreed by the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, the Small Animal Veterinary Association and the Association of Homoeopathic Veterinary Surgeons.

If you decide to take homeopathic treatment At all times converse with both conventional & homeopathic veterinary surgeons always ask the Contra-indications. If your pet is ill always seek professional advice. Do not self medicate your animals you will be doing more harm than good.

Natisse said:

kittys eyes


My kitty 22 years old next year, she beleives she is the boss even with no teeth

PurpleJedi said:

It's more so for the quarantine cost/time that I am worried about

We have 3 dogs. My husband hunts and so we have two labs that were mainly bought for him to go duck hunting with, and a beagle that he uses for rabbit hunting.

The dogs are hunting dogs, but are family pets too. A lot of people have this misconceived notion that hunting dogs are just some neglected animal, tied up outside. But most hunters treat their dogs really good. They want them to be in top shape for hunting season. We buy top-quality all natural food, take them to the vet, get them fixed, make sure their warm in the winter, etc. My husband even built a large dog house for the three of them to sleep in in their kennel since they weren't sleeping in their seperate smaller dog houses, but all piling into one.

Let me stress...these are my husband's dogs. They are a total pain-in-the-ass to me. I'm the one stuck with buying all their stuff, taking them to the vet, making sure they get food and water. I seem to be the only one that it horribly irritated when they are barking non-stop. I'm the only one that gets mad when they run through the flowers or garden when they are out.

The dogs love the kids--they're fun to play with and run around a lot which is fun and exciting to dogs. My husband is their god--when they see him, they lose their mind. They hate me.

In conclusion...be prepared for a dog to cause you a lot of work and headaches. As I type this, my 4 month old lab puppy is farting next to me. Nothing quite as gross as dog farts.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Agreed! All three of my cats are former strays, and I love them like they're my children.

XxAxX said:

Me too! I'd have every farm animal you could think of.

katt said:

Cute kitties, both of them!

katt, how does your kitty eat if she has no teeth?

My next door neighbors cat has adopted me she likes to hang out over here, it’s great and she low low maintenance, for a while there I wouldn't have mind having a small house dog but the guilt of leaving it alone in the house for anywhere from nine to twelve hours a day while I'm at work bothers me plus I know if I had one, I’d be dressing it up in little out fits and shit and I don’t want to be one of those people.

I want a little doggie but that bitch would STARVE w/ the kind of hours I keep away from home Plus I don't this building allows pets