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Reply #60 posted 10/18/06 6:42am

Anx

purplerein said:

I don't think you can make an all exclusive statement about any group of people.
Not all white men can't jump
Not all white men can't dance
Not all people of color are not able to swim
Not all asian people are good students
Not all "gay people" as you put it are sports phobic.



hell, we just had the Gay Games in Chicago this summer. tons of gays playing sports all over the place. do you think they might have been straight people pretending to be gay so they could play soccer in chicago?
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Reply #61 posted 10/18/06 6:45am

purplerein

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purplerein said:

I don't think you can make an all exclusive statement about any group of people.
Not all white men can't jump
Not all white men can't dance
Not all people of color are not able to swim
Not all asian people are good students
Not all "gay people" as you put it are sports phobic.



hell, we just had the Gay Games in Chicago this summer. tons of gays playing sports all over the place. do you think they might have been straight people pretending to be gay so they could play soccer in chicago?


how do you feel about the games...do you feel it's a shame that gay atheletes need to compete at their own games...do you feel proud that the games exist...or do you go to pick up sweaty hunks and take them to your sparkling clean bathroom to use your various scented bath products?
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Reply #62 posted 10/18/06 6:46am

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Actually, I think it's only half the picture.

Gays as we know excel at things like blowjobs and fashion, but there is actually little or no correlation between those things and whether they'll be athletic.

One only needs to go to a gay nightclub to see that (per capita), the gay community is in far better shape than the straight one, at least when it comes to looks.

I think it has ALOT to do with the fact that in America, they are extremely alienated. They're the last to be picked in team sports, they often get picked on for being "wierd", and thus they are taught relatively early not trust teams of men.

However, for individual sports (running, triathalons, etc.), you will see them in larger numbers.

I'm not sure about lesbians, but I would imagine that being that all our PE teachers were power dykes might have given them more of a support structure.



This isn't exclusive to gays though. Many straights who don't get picked in PE, or were harassed for being wierd or nerdy, end up hating sports.

I won't say I hate sports, as I love hockey games, but I just don't get why people waste time keeping up with sports teams scores, etc. It's a pointless waste of time unless it's your team your paying attention to. One of my neighbors has to know who beat who, and this applies to all sports (baseball, football, hockey, etc.) and to me its a huge waste of time.



You know, I realise you might be taking the piss - although I love it lol - but there's a lot of truth in this. Or from what I've experienced. nod

I was going to ask earlier, in fact: I wonder if not participating in team sports affects the way gay men grow up amongst other men? Whether that only adds to their sense of alienation, perhaps? Perhaps this informs the way they behave later on?

And, yes, every woman I know had a 'power dyke' sports teacher, as you call them. lol We had one in our school. smile


And funny you should mention the 'stats' thing: as I was typing my response earlier, a few guys in the office were talking about football in the background. Who scored what? Who played well? That sort of thing. It reminded me of going to the cinema with one of my mates years ago - we were only teenagers - and he struck up this totally random conversation with some other guy standing in line. I was like "Who the hell was that?!" and he replied "I dunno - I saw his football shirt and we started talking about football". shrug I was amazed that two random strangers could strike up a conversation that way! So I can see why a lot of men are into it. It gives them a chance to 'bond', I guess.

There again, another one of my straight mates - who LOVES his sport - once told me that guys usually talk to each other about it when they've run out of things to say.

So take your pick. lol
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Reply #63 posted 10/18/06 6:54am

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purplerein said:



how do you feel about the games...do you feel it's a shame that gay atheletes need to compete at their own games...do you feel proud that the games exist...or do you go to pick up sweaty hunks and take them to your sparkling clean bathroom to use your various scented bath products?


someone at my job was bitching about the gay games over the summer - "i don't understand why they need special sporting events just because they're gay" - and i wanted to slap her.

until gay folks have the luxury of being treated like anyone else by mainstream society, then i think the gay games are a great thing. it's a safe space where people who are athletes (and just so happen to be gay) can play basketball, wrestle, do whatever sports people do, without the stigma of people freaking out about having "the gay dude" on their team. do i think it's a shame the gay games have to exist? sure. but i'm glad it's there for people who are serious about their sport and don't want to hassle with the whole stigma issue.

and i tried once to troll a gay games event this summer, but as soon as i thought i smelled nerf, i started to break out in hives and had to go home.
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Reply #64 posted 10/18/06 6:57am

purplerein

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purplerein said:



how do you feel about the games...do you feel it's a shame that gay atheletes need to compete at their own games...do you feel proud that the games exist...or do you go to pick up sweaty hunks and take them to your sparkling clean bathroom to use your various scented bath products?


someone at my job was bitching about the gay games over the summer - "i don't understand why they need special sporting events just because they're gay" - and i wanted to slap her.

until gay folks have the luxury of being treated like anyone else by mainstream society, then i think the gay games are a great thing. it's a safe space where people who are athletes (and just so happen to be gay) can play basketball, wrestle, do whatever sports people do, without the stigma of people freaking out about having "the gay dude" on their team. do i think it's a shame the gay games have to exist? sure. but i'm glad it's there for people who are serious about their sport and don't want to hassle with the whole stigma issue.

and i tried once to troll a gay games event this summer, but as soon as i thought i smelled nerf, i started to break out in hives and had to go home.


know what?...maybe I'm in the minority but I don't care if an athelete is gay or straight, I just care if they play well. I wonder if the stigma against gay atheletes is more from other atheletes, or from other atheletes and fans too.
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Reply #65 posted 10/18/06 6:58am

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onenitealone said:



I was going to ask earlier, in fact: I wonder if not participating in team sports affects the way gay men grow up amongst other men? Whether that only adds to their sense of alienation, perhaps? Perhaps this informs the way they behave later on?


interesting question. you know, i think one thing that leaves me cold about sports is that so much of it centers around competition. having grown up an only child, i never really understood or cared about competition. "doing my best" was an abstract concept to me - it meant doing as well as i thought i could do based on my OWN abilities - not based on if i'm "better" or "worse" than someone else. so when i was introduced to sports, my reaction was "who CARES if i can throw a ball in a hoop? i'm sure i can eventually, whatever. i want a spidey comic book."
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Reply #66 posted 10/18/06 7:05am

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Anx said:

onenitealone said:



I was going to ask earlier, in fact: I wonder if not participating in team sports affects the way gay men grow up amongst other men? Whether that only adds to their sense of alienation, perhaps? Perhaps this informs the way they behave later on?


interesting question. you know, i think one thing that leaves me cold about sports is that so much of it centers around competition. having grown up an only child, i never really understood or cared about competition. "doing my best" was an abstract concept to me - it meant doing as well as i thought i could do based on my OWN abilities - not based on if i'm "better" or "worse" than someone else. so when i was introduced to sports, my reaction was "who CARES if i can throw a ball in a hoop? i'm sure i can eventually, whatever. i want a spidey comic book."


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BINGO! That's one aspect, right there. I'm exactly the same. nod I want to do *my* best, not compete against someone else's standards. I know that's not the sole reason people play sport but the competition element is so high, it doesn't interest me.

I wonder how many gay men enjoy their own company, or doing things by themselves, as opposed to in a group dynamic because of this? hmmm
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Reply #67 posted 10/18/06 7:11am

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onenitealone said:



I wonder how many gay men enjoy their own company, or doing things by themselves, as opposed to in a group dynamic because of this? hmmm


a HUGE majority of the gay men i've known in my life have been very social, bordering on co-dependent or needy, and very into being part of a social network or clique. i've met very few gay men who can enjoy solitude and who i'd qualify as self-reliant or independent. i don't think this says anything about an overall cultural characteristic - i think some people are just "pack" people and some people are just loners. introvert vs. extrovert. all that. i had a pretty solitary upbringing, and i never had a problem with that. so i'm a pretty solitary adult as a result. i don't see it as having anything to do with my sexual orientation, really.
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Reply #68 posted 10/18/06 7:11am

HamsterHuey

Anx said:

"who CARES if i can throw a ball in a hoop? i'm sure i can eventually, whatever. i want a spidey comic book."


mushy

Recognition here. We are Universally Gay®, I suppose...
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Reply #69 posted 10/18/06 7:14am

Anx

HamsterHuey said:

Anx said:

"who CARES if i can throw a ball in a hoop? i'm sure i can eventually, whatever. i want a spidey comic book."


mushy

Recognition here. We are Universally Gay®, I suppose...



did you have spidey super stories when you were a kid? the ones with the electric company characters in every issue? that was my favoritest comic book ever when i was a kid.
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Reply #70 posted 10/18/06 7:14am

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Anx said:

purplerein said:

I don't think you can make an all exclusive statement about any group of people.
Not all white men can't jump
Not all white men can't dance
Not all people of color are not able to swim
Not all asian people are good students
Not all "gay people" as you put it are sports phobic.



hell, we just had the Gay Games in Chicago this summer. tons of gays playing sports all over the place. do you think they might have been straight people pretending to be gay so they could play soccer in chicago?




exactly....

I beleive sometimes different generations of people are associated with certain atributes as being gay, or what ever. And that they build this notion in that they have to talk with a lisp, not play sports, talk with thier hands. etc. Or automatically great designers, let me tell you this is the furthest from the truth. Like they have to live the stereo type because they identify with likeing the same sex. Or like people who like Hip-Hop style , they imitate the talk, the walk, the clothes style, the car style, etc.

But I see the gay stereo types forever fading out, and people just being people.
Media seems to be the main culprit in the manipulation of what people view and think of social behaviors. Those conscious of this are the ones who break free from the stereo types and find themselves.
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Reply #71 posted 10/18/06 7:16am

HamsterHuey

Anx said:

HamsterHuey said:



mushy

Recognition here. We are Universally Gay®, I suppose...



did you have spidey super stories when you were a kid? the ones with the electric company characters in every issue? that was my favoritest comic book ever when i was a kid.


I had Spidey, Battey and Supey. I mean, it sucks that other kids do not allow you to be different, but your parents? BOO to basketball team in 5th grade!
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Reply #72 posted 10/18/06 7:18am

Anx

SpisaRibb said:



But I see the gay stereo types forever fading out, and people just being people.
Media seems to be the main culprit in the manipulation of what people view and think of social behaviors. Those conscious of this are the ones who break free from the stereo types and find themselves.


i was having a talk with someone considerably younger than me this weekend, and we were talking about the dandy warhols and brian jonestown massacre, and i suggested that the lead singers of both bands were shriekingly gay and probably had a love affair with each other (we were watching the documentary "dig", of course).

his response was just a shrug, then he said "whatever. probably. they'd probably fuck anything. being gay's not the point."

well, shut MY mouth. lol
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Reply #73 posted 10/18/06 7:18am

Cloudbuster

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What's a Gay? smile
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Reply #74 posted 10/18/06 7:19am

HamsterHuey

SpisaRibb said:

But I see the gay stereo types forever fading out, and people just being people.


NONONO!

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Reply #75 posted 10/18/06 7:19am

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I've definately known the sports-hating-queer-boys stereotype to be largely accurate, but the only athletic lesbian I know is my girlfriend. I guess she is more athletic than just about anybody I've ever known, but that's probably because I usually avoid athletic people. Because I hate sports. lol
oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1!
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Reply #76 posted 10/18/06 7:19am

HamsterHuey

Cloudbuster said:

What's a Gay? smile


That guy sucking your dick.
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Reply #77 posted 10/18/06 7:20am

SpisaRibb

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Anx said:

SpisaRibb said:



But I see the gay stereo types forever fading out, and people just being people.
Media seems to be the main culprit in the manipulation of what people view and think of social behaviors. Those conscious of this are the ones who break free from the stereo types and find themselves.


i was having a talk with someone considerably younger than me this weekend, and we were talking about the dandy warhols and brian jonestown massacre, and i suggested that the lead singers of both bands were shriekingly gay and probably had a love affair with each other (we were watching the documentary "dig", of course).

his response was just a shrug, then he said "whatever. probably. they'd probably fuck anything. being gay's not the point."

well, shut MY mouth. lol


great!
lol lol
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Reply #78 posted 10/18/06 7:22am

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HamsterHuey said:

SpisaRibb said:

But I see the gay stereo types forever fading out, and people just being people.


NONONO!




thats what im saying.....that will never fade, this is what will be left... I see more and more guys who ALL just look the same to me , gay razz
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Reply #79 posted 10/18/06 7:23am

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Cloudbuster said:

What's a Gay? smile


a non-jewish person

ya know, "here comes those meshuggina gayim, oy vey"
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Reply #80 posted 10/18/06 7:24am

HamsterHuey

SpisaRibb said:

I see more and more guys who ALL just look the same to me , gay razz


Your father; GAY!
Your brother; GAY!
Your teacher; GAY!

Everybody's GAY!



I'm super, thanks for asking.
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Reply #81 posted 10/18/06 7:24am

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HamsterHuey said:

Cloudbuster said:

What's a Gay? smile


That guy sucking your dick.


2the9s is a Gay? Oh. smile
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Reply #82 posted 10/18/06 7:26am

HamsterHuey

Cloudbuster said:

HamsterHuey said:



That guy sucking your dick.


2the9s is a Gay? Oh. smile


Only if he swallows, of course. Otherwise he is just like your daddy.
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Reply #83 posted 10/18/06 7:26am

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Anx said:

Cloudbuster said:

What's a Gay? smile


a non-jewish person

ya know, "here comes those meshuggina gayim, oy vey"


Thanks for the info. smile
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Reply #84 posted 10/18/06 7:27am

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HamsterHuey said:

Cloudbuster said:

2the9s is a Gay? Oh. smile


Only if he swallows, of course. Otherwise he is just like your daddy.


Are you talking in code? smile
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Reply #85 posted 10/18/06 7:27am

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Anx said:

onenitealone said:



I wonder how many gay men enjoy their own company, or doing things by themselves, as opposed to in a group dynamic because of this? hmmm


a HUGE majority of the gay men i've known in my life have been very social, bordering on co-dependent or needy, and very into being part of a social network or clique. i've met very few gay men who can enjoy solitude and who i'd qualify as self-reliant or independent. i don't think this says anything about an overall cultural characteristic - i think some people are just "pack" people and some people are just loners. introvert vs. extrovert. all that. i had a pretty solitary upbringing, and i never had a problem with that. so i'm a pretty solitary adult as a result. i don't see it as having anything to do with my sexual orientation, really.



True - again, I totally agree with you. nod Just putting the question out there, really.

I think the vast majority of gay men - that I've met - fit into that first category. I know I certainly did at one point. But, as you say, so many of these traits depend on other factors - such as their background, how they were raised, etc - but may have little to do with their sexuality.
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Reply #86 posted 10/18/06 7:27am

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HamsterHuey said:

SpisaRibb said:

I see more and more guys who ALL just look the same to me , gay razz


Your father; GAY!
Your brother; GAY!
Your teacher; GAY!

Everybody's GAY!



I'm super, thanks for asking.



thieerr all GGAAAAAY!!!! GAY!!!
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Reply #87 posted 10/18/06 7:42am

Handclapsfinga
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i couldn't care less about sports.
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Reply #88 posted 10/18/06 7:43am

SpisaRibb

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well, who was I talking to on here that said
the statistics show that
10% of people are acctually fully straight (heterosexual)
10% of people are fully gay (homosexual)
and the other 80% are some degree of bisexual.
seems like perfect sense to me.
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Reply #89 posted 10/18/06 7:44am

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

i couldn't care less about sports.


I even think sports are gay
biggrin and you would have to be some degree of bisexual to watch or play them.
being that most sports seem sexually charged.
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