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Thread started 10/16/06 10:08am

LleeLlee

Madonna adoption row!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...056042.stm

What's your opinion:

On the one hand I think the child will have the kind of opportunities not available to him otherwise.

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there? Have children become commodoties?

what do you think?
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Reply #1 posted 10/16/06 10:17am

IrresistibleB1
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good points - seems like their money and ability to attract media attention could have a larger impact. then again, ANY kind of help is better than nothing.
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Reply #2 posted 10/16/06 10:20am

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I think many have the same issues as you do with this. She could have helped support the father (the child wasn't an orphan) but what would it be like for a kid to grow up priveleged in a 3rd world setting?

All I can hope for is that hese kids get a chance at a better life and as long as they aren't treated like a new purse, I think it's ok.

Personally, I think her and Angelina's heart are in the right place. I just hope that they actually take care of the kids and drop them off at some nanny for most of thier lives. They are mothers now and should act like it. At least so far Madge and Ang are both better mom's than Britney and she's had two of her own.

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Reply #3 posted 10/16/06 10:21am

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IrresistibleB1tch said:

good points - seems like their money and ability to attract media attention could have a larger impact. then again, ANY kind of help is better than nothing.


I really think the media is out of control, which is half the issue, me thinks.

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Reply #4 posted 10/16/06 10:22am

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I never criticize how someone chooses to help out. It is their own choice for their own reasons.
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Reply #5 posted 10/16/06 10:27am

IrresistibleB1
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superspaceboy said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

good points - seems like their money and ability to attract media attention could have a larger impact. then again, ANY kind of help is better than nothing.


I really think the media is out of control, which is half the issue, me thinks.


agreed - often times, they are more concerned about the celebrities and possibly the "story" behind the particular child, rather than the overarching reasons behind poverty, etc.
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Reply #6 posted 10/16/06 10:51am

LleeLlee

superspaceboy said:

I think many have the same issues as you do with this. She could have helped support the father (the child wasn't an orphan) but what would it be like for a kid to grow up priveleged in a 3rd world setting?

All I can hope for is that hese kids get a chance at a better life and as long as they aren't treated like a new purse, I think it's ok.

Personally, I think her and Angelina's heart are in the right place. I just hope that they actually take care of the kids and drop them off at some nanny for most of thier lives. They are mothers now and should act like it. At least so far Madge and Ang are both better mom's than Britney and she's had two of her own.



I do agree. However, kids do grow up in poorer countries and become Doctors and Teachers etc. They need somebody to encourage them and provide the financial support, It's not impossible. When he's older, why not pay for him to go to University in the States or Europe? Provide funds for him. I dont know, I can see both sides I guess.

I'll bet Britney is considering it.

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Reply #7 posted 10/16/06 10:58am

LleeLlee

Sowhat said:

I never criticize how someone chooses to help out. It is their own choice for their own reasons.



I'm just throwing it out there, of course help is always a great thing. Help can come in many forms but there are issues with international adoption, hence the thread.
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Reply #8 posted 10/16/06 11:08am

LleeLlee

IrresistibleB1tch said:

superspaceboy said:



I really think the media is out of control, which is half the issue, me thinks.


agreed - often times, they are more concerned about the celebrities and possibly the "story" behind the particular child, rather than the overarching reasons behind poverty, etc.



True, a lot of the reasons are political, apart from natural disastars the main causes of poverty are civil war and political corruption. But they dont want to discuss this a lot of the time.

Just thinking, could a non-celebrity couple have adopted a child in what 10 days?
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Reply #9 posted 10/16/06 11:19am

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LleeLlee said:

superspaceboy said:

I think many have the same issues as you do with this. She could have helped support the father (the child wasn't an orphan) but what would it be like for a kid to grow up priveleged in a 3rd world setting?

All I can hope for is that hese kids get a chance at a better life and as long as they aren't treated like a new purse, I think it's ok.

Personally, I think her and Angelina's heart are in the right place. I just hope that they actually take care of the kids and drop them off at some nanny for most of thier lives. They are mothers now and should act like it. At least so far Madge and Ang are both better mom's than Britney and she's had two of her own.



I do agree. However, kids do grow up in poorer countries and become Doctors and Teachers etc. They need somebody to encourage them and provide the financial support, It's not impossible. When he's older, why not pay for him to go to University in the States or Europe? Provide funds for him. I dont know, I can see both sides I guess.

I'll bet Britney is considering it.

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Brits should consider giving her own kids up for adoption. Me thinks. nod

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Reply #10 posted 10/16/06 11:20am

Ace

LleeLlee said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6056042.stm

What's your opinion:

On the one hand I think the child will have the kind of opportunities not available to him otherwise.

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there? Have children become commodoties?

what do you think?

Anything that saves these kids from the clutches of Angelina Jolie is cool by me. razz
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Reply #11 posted 10/16/06 11:21am

2the9s

superspaceboy said:

LleeLlee said:




I do agree. However, kids do grow up in poorer countries and become Doctors and Teachers etc. They need somebody to encourage them and provide the financial support, It's not impossible. When he's older, why not pay for him to go to University in the States or Europe? Provide funds for him. I dont know, I can see both sides I guess.

I'll bet Britney is considering it.

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[Edited 10/16/06 10:52am]


Brits should consider giving her own kids up for adoption. Me thinks. nod


I want to adopt LleeLlee so I can send her to bed without any supper.

smile
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Reply #12 posted 10/16/06 11:22am

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LleeLlee said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:



agreed - often times, they are more concerned about the celebrities and possibly the "story" behind the particular child, rather than the overarching reasons behind poverty, etc.



True, a lot of the reasons are political, apart from natural disastars the main causes of poverty are civil war and political corruption. But they dont want to discuss this a lot of the time.

Just thinking, could a non-celebrity couple have adopted a child in what 10 days?


My step sister adopted a child from Russia. It took a while. Not too long. What took them the longest was to get the money to go out to Russia.

I think Madonna had to leave the kid there as his passport was taking some time. I think it took more than 10 days. We just dn't know when she actually started the papers on it.

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Reply #13 posted 10/16/06 11:32am

purplerein

she lined the kids up and chose. how disgusting is that?...plus the kid has a father. Yes, she can provide the kid with alot of material things. the whole thing harkens back to slavery, imho.
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Reply #14 posted 10/16/06 11:40am

LleeLlee

superspaceboy said:

LleeLlee said:




I do agree. However, kids do grow up in poorer countries and become Doctors and Teachers etc. They need somebody to encourage them and provide the financial support, It's not impossible. When he's older, why not pay for him to go to University in the States or Europe? Provide funds for him. I dont know, I can see both sides I guess.

I'll bet Britney is considering it.

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[Edited 10/16/06 10:52am]


Brits should consider giving her own kids up for adoption. Me thinks. nod



She will be the next celebrity to do it, my cowbell tells me so.
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Reply #15 posted 10/16/06 11:43am

LleeLlee

Ace said:

LleeLlee said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6056042.stm

What's your opinion:

On the one hand I think the child will have the kind of opportunities not available to him otherwise.

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there? Have children become commodoties?

what do you think?

Anything that saves these kids from the clutches of Angelina Jolie is cool by me. razz


hater lol

she changed their names too didnt she?

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Reply #16 posted 10/16/06 11:43am

LleeLlee

2the9s said:

superspaceboy said:



Brits should consider giving her own kids up for adoption. Me thinks. nod


I want to adopt LleeLlee so I can send her to bed without any supper.

smile



My foot has already adopted your ass touched
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Reply #17 posted 10/16/06 11:49am

LleeLlee

superspaceboy said:

LleeLlee said:




True, a lot of the reasons are political, apart from natural disastars the main causes of poverty are civil war and political corruption. But they dont want to discuss this a lot of the time.

Just thinking, could a non-celebrity couple have adopted a child in what 10 days?


My step sister adopted a child from Russia. It took a while. Not too long. What took them the longest was to get the money to go out to Russia.

I think Madonna had to leave the kid there as his passport was taking some time. I think it took more than 10 days. We just dn't know when she actually started the papers on it.



Okay, I read that she had contravened the law and that in Malawi it's obligatory to spend 18 months with the child, something like that.
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Reply #18 posted 10/16/06 11:52am

2the9s

LleeLlee said:

2the9s said:



I want to adopt LleeLlee so I can send her to bed without any supper.

smile



My foot has already adopted your ass touched


Stop hounding me.

smile
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Reply #19 posted 10/16/06 12:27pm

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Dear Madonna,

I need to put a new roof on my house. Also I would like some extra cash so I can put in one of those nice german crafted kitchens. Oh and my master bath is quite dated. I would like to replace the tiles and fixtures in that too.

Thank you, Spisaribb
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Reply #20 posted 10/16/06 1:02pm

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Come now. Its just pocket change! Think of the value it will add to my home!
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Reply #21 posted 10/16/06 1:10pm

fathermcmeekle

A concern I have is this child will be raised by Madonna. Not exactly a normal upbringing. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Still, could be worse, could've been purchased by MJ.

shrug
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Reply #22 posted 10/16/06 2:43pm

Ace

LleeLlee said:

Just thinking, could a non-celebrity couple have adopted a child in what 10 days?

The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
Thats how it goes
Everybody knows


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Reply #23 posted 10/16/06 2:47pm

unlucky7

fathermcmeekle said:

A concern I have is this child will be raised by Madonna. Not exactly a normal upbringing. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Still, could be worse, could've been purchased by MJ.

shrug

lol
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Reply #24 posted 10/16/06 2:48pm

Ace

LleeLlee said:

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there?


The best thing I did was I got into therapy. That was really valuable. I crashed into myself and saw a lot of myself as I really was. And I questioned all my motivations. Why am I writing what I'm writing? Why am I saying what I'm saying? Do I mean it? Am I bullshitting? Am I just trying to be the most popular guy in town? Do I need to be liked that much? I questioned everything I'd ever done, and it was good. You should do that. And then you realize there is no single motivation to anything. You're doing it for all of those reasons.

- Bruce Springsteen (Rolling Stone interview, 1992)
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Reply #25 posted 10/16/06 3:21pm

LleeLlee

purplerein said:

she lined the kids up and chose. how disgusting is that?...plus the kid has a father. Yes, she can provide the kid with alot of material things. the whole thing harkens back to slavery, imho.



It seems she has temporary custody so far.
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Reply #26 posted 10/16/06 3:22pm

LleeLlee

fathermcmeekle said:

A concern I have is this child will be raised by Madonna. Not exactly a normal upbringing. Out of the frying pan into the fire.

Still, could be worse, could've been purchased by MJ.

shrug



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Reply #27 posted 10/16/06 3:34pm

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LleeLlee said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6056042.stm

What's your opinion:

On the one hand I think the child will have the kind of opportunities not available to him otherwise.

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there? Have children become commodoties?

what do you think?



Well.....I have written and deleted three posts now.....I guess my answer is that I have no answer confuse

I don't agree with it.....money talks.....obviously.....
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Reply #28 posted 10/16/06 3:44pm

LleeLlee

Ace said:

LleeLlee said:

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there?


The best thing I did was I got into therapy. That was really valuable. I crashed into myself and saw a lot of myself as I really was. And I questioned all my motivations. Why am I writing what I'm writing? Why am I saying what I'm saying? Do I mean it? Am I bullshitting? Am I just trying to be the most popular guy in town? Do I need to be liked that much? I questioned everything I'd ever done, and it was good. You should do that. And then you realize there is no single motivation to anything. You're doing it for all of those reasons.

- Bruce Springsteen (Rolling Stone interview, 1992)



It all boils down to the ego?
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Reply #29 posted 10/16/06 4:11pm

LleeLlee

myownprivateinsanity said:

LleeLlee said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6056042.stm

What's your opinion:

On the one hand I think the child will have the kind of opportunities not available to him otherwise.

On the other hand, Why are celebrities whisking babies out of their own country and not providing the funds for them to be raised there? Have children become commodoties?

what do you think?



Well.....I have written and deleted three posts now.....I guess my answer is that I have no answer confuse

I don't agree with it.....money talks.....obviously.....




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