Well, as you may or may not have noticed, feature lenth cartoons are no longer hand drawn and are now fully computer animated.


Disney have said they will never do a old fashioned 2D cartoon film again, but luckily, since the boss Michale Eisner left, there are plans for a 2D film in the works (wont be out for years yet though).


I hope hand drawn (2D) animation does come back. Disney is really in it's darkest hour. With Eisner gone, maybe things will change? But for now and the next few years, western animation is going to continue being about animals who act like humans (or cars) and jokes about modern pop culture (burp humour)


Animation goes in cycles, i just hope this spate of pixar rip-offs comes to an end, and computer animation is a medium i cannot take seriously, as the emotion is not there.

Shit, even those 1940's/50's tom and jerry's are works of art compared to the shit these days, and they were just to be shown before the film

thesexofit said:

Same with those old Bugs Bunny classics. I'll take them any day!

uPtoWnNY said:

Yeah, they rock. Disney cartoons from that era lacked humour, but some of them (like the silly symphonies) were real artistic triumphs. Iam glad u can buy these old cartoons on DVD now.

Still, political correctness baffles me alot on those old cartoons, especially on the tom and jerry's. Turner, or cartoon network, sometimes show a black face gag, and on other cartoons, will cut it out? I guess they get their prints from different sources over the decades? Sometimes the mammy voice is different too? What crap that is. Just show it like it was man.

Either way is fine with me as long as there's a variety of stories... All stories can be done with animation... not just those that are impossible with live-action.

I'd like to see dramas with animation...

coolcat said:

i find computer animation to be lacking in emotion. ook at that awful final fantasy movie. The human movements were awful. Animation has included computer technoledgy for decades now, but to be fully computerized, so far, has not worked. It does not help that every animated film is a variation of a pixar film.

Funny how western animation like disney inspired anime, and now anime inspires westurn animation is osme cases.

In its looooong history, disney has never looked so bad. Michael eisner pulled all hand drawn animated film after the massive bomb "treasure planet", a film that was good, but arrogently put up against harry potter and the two towers on release. Disney shot itself in the foot with that one. Their biggest bomb ever apparantly, even moreso then the cult "black cauldron", one of my favs. "treasure planet" was the nail in the coffin.

I agree the CGI stuff is getting tired.

I'd like to see an explosion of independent animated films in the US... maybe stuff like heavy metal...

There's been enough comedy...

I don't think 2d will ever go away. Maybe not as popular, but it's still an artistic form, and there will always be artists that see it as that.

coolcat said:

"Heavy metal" is great. Thats when there was a feeling cartoons could cate for adults.

Heck, as i mentioned, even disney tried with their dark (for them) "black cauldron", which was meant to be their "masterpiece" aloneside "snow white". About 6 years in the making, even tim burton did a few very early drawings for that film. it was in production for that long. Shame the film is one of 2 halves, the first being dark and generally very good, and the second getting too cutsey and losing its narrative completely (director changes half way through production was one of its many problems)....

... I still love it though. Soundtrack is good too (no songs are in it either, which was another attempt to appeal to teens and adults)





I still dont think many disney fans know about this film? Disney refused to even admit it existed until it came out with little fanfare, over 10 years afer being locked away in the UK only (US fans demanded a american version)

Imagination like this film had is so lacking today.
[Edited 10/11/06 16:11pm]

jerseykrs said:

I hope so. At the moment, things are looking bleak, though as i said, maybe things are going to change slowly.