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PrintableJustErin said: I'm just curious as to what tests are given to determine clinical depression. Do you know of any? It's paranoia, not depression, get your disorders right sister!  | |
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JustErin said: mrdespues said: Very general. 1 in 5 with mental illness is not just limited to 'depression'. Think: schizophrenia, bi-polar... any kind of anxiety... OCD.... the list goes on... ... and no, they are not quick to diagnose at all. Maybe in North America, perhaps, the land of drugs and the quick-fix. . [Edited 10/11/06 6:51am] I'm just curious as to what tests are given to determine clinical depression. Do you know of any? [Edited 10/11/06 6:53am] If you're curious, just google them. There are PLENTY out there. | |
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JustErin said: I definitely agree that doctors are too quick to diagnose depression. "Oh, you're stressed at work? Depressed!", "Oh, you're sad your bf broke up with you? Depressed!".
Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain, not the blues or stress. I certainly believe that 1 - 5 people go thru the blues, but not clinical depression. What test can be performed to determine if someone is really depressed? Is there a brain scan or something like that? And do doctors actually have their patients tested and then make the diagnosis? I think depression can be self-diagnosed. If you can't get out of bed for days at a time, I'd say you're depressed. If you're suicidal, you're depressed. It's not that hard. There are no tests for checmical imbalance I'm aware of. You listen to the symptoms and make a diagnosis. The treatment options are the tricky part. |
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some things are very hard to unlearn, but they can be.
if you mistrust everyone, and assume they're dishonest, you'll never trust another human being. that's a lonely way to go through life. even with trusting one, two, or three people, they are human, and can let you down from time to time. that's life. I think its a cumulative score, rather then sudden death. for the most part, people are usually honest. once you learn someone is dishonest, you don't have to associate with them anymore, but do not assume the next person you meet is dishonest as well. it seems that you take it extremely personally. and you're also trying to protect yourself. If they lie to you, they lie to others..it's not personal. you can't go through life in a bubble. that would make you john travolta in "the boy in the bubble" and even he broke out of that bubble. | |
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purplerein said: some things are very hard to unlearn, but they can be.
if you mistrust everyone, and assume they're dishonest, you'll never trust another human being. that's a lonely way to go through life. even with trusting one, two, or three people, they are human, and can let you down from time to time. that's life. I think its a cumulative score, rather then sudden death. for the most part, people are usually honest. once you learn someone is dishonest, you don't have to associate with them anymore, but do not assume the next person you meet is dishonest as well. it seems that you take it extremely personally. and you're also trying to protect yourself. If they lie to you, they lie to others..it's not personal. you can't go through life in a bubble. that would make you john travolta in "the boy in the bubble" and even he broke out of that bubble.  | |
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CarrieMpls said: JustErin said: I definitely agree that doctors are too quick to diagnose depression. "Oh, you're stressed at work? Depressed!", "Oh, you're sad your bf broke up with you? Depressed!".
Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain, not the blues or stress. I certainly believe that 1 - 5 people go thru the blues, but not clinical depression. What test can be performed to determine if someone is really depressed? Is there a brain scan or something like that? And do doctors actually have their patients tested and then make the diagnosis? I think depression can be self-diagnosed. If you can't get out of bed for days at a time, I'd say you're depressed. If you're suicidal, you're depressed. It's not that hard. There are no tests for checmical imbalance I'm aware of. You listen to the symptoms and make a diagnosis. The treatment options are the tricky part. I see, so it's just your doctor takes your word for it. I definitely agree with medication as a very short term solution for things like not being able to concentrate, not being able to fuction, etc...just to get things back in balance and be able to get back on track, but I am dead against any long term treatment - other than cognitive therapy (for depression that is). | |
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purplerein said: some things are very hard to unlearn, but they can be.
if you mistrust everyone, and assume they're dishonest, you'll never trust another human being. that's a lonely way to go through life. even with trusting one, two, or three people, they are human, and can let you down from time to time. that's life. I think its a cumulative score, rather then sudden death. for the most part, people are usually honest. once you learn someone is dishonest, you don't have to associate with them anymore, but do not assume the next person you meet is dishonest as well. it seems that you take it extremely personally. and you're also trying to protect yourself. If they lie to you, they lie to others..it's not personal. you can't go through life in a bubble. that would make you john travolta in "the boy in the bubble" and even he broke out of that bubble. Thats true. But it's not like you can just MAKE yourself trust someone. I'm sure he WANTS to trust. But how? Ya can't just MAKE yourself. | |
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jerseykrs said: JustErin said: I'm just curious as to what tests are given to determine clinical depression. Do you know of any? It's paranoia, not depression, get your disorders right sister! Oh, you're talking to me now? | |
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luv4all7 said: purplerein said: some things are very hard to unlearn, but they can be.
if you mistrust everyone, and assume they're dishonest, you'll never trust another human being. that's a lonely way to go through life. even with trusting one, two, or three people, they are human, and can let you down from time to time. that's life. I think its a cumulative score, rather then sudden death. for the most part, people are usually honest. once you learn someone is dishonest, you don't have to associate with them anymore, but do not assume the next person you meet is dishonest as well. it seems that you take it extremely personally. and you're also trying to protect yourself. If they lie to you, they lie to others..it's not personal. you can't go through life in a bubble. that would make you john travolta in "the boy in the bubble" and even he broke out of that bubble. Thats true. But it's not like you can just MAKE yourself trust someone. I'm sure he WANTS to trust. But how? Ya can't just MAKE yourself. it helps to put things into perspective, and i think that's what PR was getting at. | |
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JustErin said: jerseykrs said: It's paranoia, not depression, get your disorders right sister! Oh, you're talking to me now? I talk to you ALL the time!! | |
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jerseykrs said: The more I think about it, the more it fits me to a T. But, like, I've been like this forever, it doesn't even seem weird to me anymore, so is it still a disorder?? Or just part of my character? That's the point I try to make.
I'm exactly the same way and get that from everybody but I don't consider or see it as a disorder and not really apart of my character either, I'm just a cynical person when it comes to certain things. 
As a matter of fact, just yesterday I was told to stop being paranoid about something.  | |
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BTW Chris, I have a bit of the same problem, except I manage to trust certain things....
For instance, if someone pays me a compliment, I have had an awful time learning to just say "thank you" instead of being dumbfounded and wondering if they're not actually mocking me when they do it. Does that sound familiar, or not? Alex said something to me when we first moved into this house together. I was extremely stressed out. We hadn't found jobs yet, I was watching my savings account go below $2k for the first time in years, we were sitting around all day playing games, we didn't have half the furniture we needed, etc. Anyway, I got depressed a bit and we had this huge fight. I poured out a million things that were bothering me, and those were only the tip of it. Ugh, and I was projecting disaster. I was scared to death this cohabitation wouldn't work. To make this shorter, Alex eventually said, "You know, you've been through a lot of things that most of us have never experienced. But that doesn't mean you have to make your life suck all the time and be down about it." Then he got super-motivational. Point is, I suspect a couple of times, at least one big one that I know of, you've been shown what CAN happen when you DO trust. Yours just seems more like a defense mechanism to me. This one's for you. | |
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CortestheKiller said: BTW Chris, I have a bit of the same problem, except I manage to trust certain things....
For instance, if someone pays me a compliment, I have had an awful time learning to just say "thank you" instead of being dumbfounded and wondering if they're not actually mocking me when they do it. Does that sound familiar, or not? Alex said something to me when we first moved into this house together. I was extremely stressed out. We hadn't found jobs yet, I was watching my savings account go below $2k for the first time in years, we were sitting around all day playing games, we didn't have half the furniture we needed, etc. Anyway, I got depressed a bit and we had this huge fight. I poured out a million things that were bothering me, and those were only the tip of it. Ugh, and I was projecting disaster. I was scared to death this cohabitation wouldn't work. To make this shorter, Alex eventually said, "You know, you've been through a lot of things that most of us have never experienced. But that doesn't mean you have to make your life suck all the time and be down about it." Then he got super-motivational. Point is, I suspect a couple of times, at least one big one that I know of, you've been shown what CAN happen when you DO trust. Yours just seems more like a defense mechanism to me. You are SO right. | |
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jerseykrs said: CortestheKiller said: BTW Chris, I have a bit of the same problem, except I manage to trust certain things....
For instance, if someone pays me a compliment, I have had an awful time learning to just say "thank you" instead of being dumbfounded and wondering if they're not actually mocking me when they do it. Does that sound familiar, or not? Alex said something to me when we first moved into this house together. I was extremely stressed out. We hadn't found jobs yet, I was watching my savings account go below $2k for the first time in years, we were sitting around all day playing games, we didn't have half the furniture we needed, etc. Anyway, I got depressed a bit and we had this huge fight. I poured out a million things that were bothering me, and those were only the tip of it. Ugh, and I was projecting disaster. I was scared to death this cohabitation wouldn't work. To make this shorter, Alex eventually said, "You know, you've been through a lot of things that most of us have never experienced. But that doesn't mean you have to make your life suck all the time and be down about it." Then he got super-motivational. Point is, I suspect a couple of times, at least one big one that I know of, you've been shown what CAN happen when you DO trust. Yours just seems more like a defense mechanism to me. You are SO right. What do I get for winning? Evil exes do a number on us. And that shit never, ever helps. Fuck them, though. This one's for you. | |
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CortestheKiller said: jerseykrs said: You are SO right. What do I get for winning? Evil exes do a number on us. And that shit never, ever helps. Fuck them, though. This was WELL in place before all that though Rhonda, that's why I don't look at it like some personality changing event inspired behaviour disorder. Hell, I'm in a good mood today actually! But it's true, I always have that thought in the back of my head "watch out, they're probably lying" | |
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5 out of 5 people have to live life.
5 out of 5 people realize life sucks at times. Some of the 5 can handle it. Some the 5 cant. Some of the 5 are chemically imbalanced Most who think they have a disorder dont. Depression, Heartache, Anxiety, Hate, and Bliss are all part of life. Unfortunately, the free will we have leads to bad decisions enhancing our problems. Then it becomes easy to blame depression, stress or some other made up disorder. Failure to make sound decisions and live up to our obligations is the grandest disorder humans struggle with. Stay smart, strong, focused and surround yourself with real, good people and most disorders or issues will dissolve eventually. Rant Over. (Insert something clever here) |
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jerseykrs said: CortestheKiller said: What do I get for winning? Evil exes do a number on us. And that shit never, ever helps. Fuck them, though. This was WELL in place before all that though Rhonda, that's why I don't look at it like some personality changing event inspired behaviour disorder. Hell, I'm in a good mood today actually! But it's true, I always have that thought in the back of my head "watch out, they're probably lying" Well, but it didn't HELP is my point. It's probably just had things to help it along the way. This one's for you. | |
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CortestheKiller said: Well, at least you've made it into yourself. I get depressed and still know it's not me under there being that way. At the very least, "me" seems to be indifferent. Not sad or pissed off all the time. That just happens in the winter. And Lexapro comes to play.
In your case, I doubt you have a "disorder." But it can't hurt if sometime you have a little extra pocket change if you go see a therapist or something else. you don't have to get all medicated or nothin', just talk it out. It won't even require pocket change if you have insurance.....and the thing is with medication, all you have to do is say you do not want it...period! And there is no shame is taking it if it can smooth over a rough period. A good therapist will be non-partisan and non-judgemental, and can give you someone to vent to other than friends and family. I have learned through experience that they lose patience very quickly and tend to try to 'fix' things instead of provide assurance and 'tough love'. I would not be so hasty as to say you are 'paranoid', but you certainly sound like you have trust issues.....and believe it: there are people in the world you can trust explicitly. I agree with Cortes, maybe talking to someone might be the thing to do. 
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DarkKnight1 said: 5 out of 5 people have to live life.
5 out of 5 people realize life sucks at times. Some of the 5 can handle it. Some the 5 cant. Some of the 5 are chemically imbalanced Most who think they have a disorder dont. Depression, Heartache, Anxiety, Hate, and Bliss are all part of life. Unfortunately, the free will we have leads to bad decisions enhancing our problems. Then it becomes easy to blame depression, stress or some other made up disorder. Failure to make sound decisions and live up to our obligations is the grandest disorder humans struggle with. Stay smart, strong, focused and surround yourself with real, good people and most disorders or issues will dissolve eventually. Rant Over. Thats what I wanted to say but couldn't.
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jerseykrs said: I've recently figured out that I have managed through life by always assuming people are lying. I got into an argument with a friend of mine because he said it was paranoia
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DarkKnight1 said: 5 out of 5 people have to live life.
5 out of 5 people realize life sucks at times. Some of the 5 can handle it. Some the 5 cant. Some of the 5 are chemically imbalanced Most who think they have a disorder dont. Depression, Heartache, Anxiety, Hate, and Bliss are all part of life. Unfortunately, the free will we have leads to bad decisions enhancing our problems. Then it becomes easy to blame depression, stress or some other made up disorder. Failure to make sound decisions and live up to our obligations is the grandest disorder humans struggle with. Stay smart, strong, focused and surround yourself with real, good people and most disorders or issues will dissolve eventually. Rant Over. Well said...Very well said...  | |
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Ace said: jerseykrs said: I've recently figured out that I have managed through life by always assuming people are lying. I got into an argument with a friend of mine because he said it was paranoia
He's lying.  | |
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DarkKnight1 said: 5 out of 5 people have to live life.
5 out of 5 people realize life sucks at times. Some of the 5 can handle it. Some the 5 cant. Some of the 5 are chemically imbalanced Most who think they have a disorder dont. Depression, Heartache, Anxiety, Hate, and Bliss are all part of life. Unfortunately, the free will we have leads to bad decisions enhancing our problems. Then it becomes easy to blame depression, stress or some other made up disorder. Failure to make sound decisions and live up to our obligations is the grandest disorder humans struggle with. Stay smart, strong, focused and surround yourself with real, good people and most disorders or issues will dissolve eventually. Rant Over. the problem is that, depression usually creeps up slowly, and by the time you know you're in trouble, it's hard to remove yourself from the situation enough to pull yourself out of it. meds, responsibly prescribed, can be a good way to start seeing the big picture again and making the changes that will promote a positive (or rather, realistic) outlook. | |
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luv4all7 said: DarkKnight1 said: 5 out of 5 people have to live life.
5 out of 5 people realize life sucks at times. Some of the 5 can handle it. Some the 5 cant. Some of the 5 are chemically imbalanced Most who think they have a disorder dont. Depression, Heartache, Anxiety, Hate, and Bliss are all part of life. Unfortunately, the free will we have leads to bad decisions enhancing our problems. Then it becomes easy to blame depression, stress or some other made up disorder. Failure to make sound decisions and live up to our obligations is the grandest disorder humans struggle with. Stay smart, strong, focused and surround yourself with real, good people and most disorders or issues will dissolve eventually. Rant Over. Thats what I wanted to say but couldn't.
Do you think I have a learning disability?????No, you know what you want to say but dont take the time to construct any ideas. You know whats up, I can read people pretty well. Next time you want to explain something, just take your time. And drink Red Bull, lots of Red Bull. (Insert something clever here) |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DarkKnight1 said: 5 out of 5 people have to live life.
5 out of 5 people realize life sucks at times. Some of the 5 can handle it. Some the 5 cant. Some of the 5 are chemically imbalanced Most who think they have a disorder dont. Depression, Heartache, Anxiety, Hate, and Bliss are all part of life. Unfortunately, the free will we have leads to bad decisions enhancing our problems. Then it becomes easy to blame depression, stress or some other made up disorder. Failure to make sound decisions and live up to our obligations is the grandest disorder humans struggle with. Stay smart, strong, focused and surround yourself with real, good people and most disorders or issues will dissolve eventually. Rant Over. the problem is that, depression usually creeps up slowly, and by the time you know you're in trouble, it's hard to remove yourself from the situation enough to pull yourself out of it. meds, responsibly prescribed, can be a good way to start seeing the big picture again and making the changes that will promote a positive (or rather, realistic) outlook. Pills seem to me like putting bandaids on a bullet wound. Therapy is a more sound, healing decision. Unfortunately, people are so wrapped up in their own issues, they dont take the time to aid in others going through a rough time. Human interaction and caring can do so much more than a pill can. Unless its Prilosec, humans cant fix my acid reflux after a long night of drinking. [Edited 10/11/06 7:32am] (Insert something clever here) |
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JustErin said: CarrieMpls said: I think depression can be self-diagnosed. If you can't get out of bed for days at a time, I'd say you're depressed. If you're suicidal, you're depressed. It's not that hard. There are no tests for checmical imbalance I'm aware of. You listen to the symptoms and make a diagnosis. The treatment options are the tricky part. I see, so it's just your doctor takes your word for it. I definitely agree with medication as a very short term solution for things like not being able to concentrate, not being able to fuction, etc...just to get things back in balance and be able to get back on track, but I am dead against any long term treatment - other than cognitive therapy (for depression that is). For myself, I don't want drugs period. I hate even taking aspirin or ibuprofen. I won't take cold or allergy medicine as I can't take the way it makes me feel (jittery, disconnected, high, etc.), so I don't even want to begin to mess with anything 'stronger'. And overall I'd agree that drugs are often used as a cure, when they could/probably should be a band-aid to get through to a long-term cure. But I think the most important part is finding a professional you trust. I can't say that long-term drug use is NEVER the answer. I'm not qualified to say that. |
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DarkKnight1 said: IrresistibleB1tch said: the problem is that, depression usually creeps up slowly, and by the time you know you're in trouble, it's hard to remove yourself from the situation enough to pull yourself out of it. meds, responsibly prescribed, can be a good way to start seeing the big picture again and making the changes that will promote a positive (or rather, realistic) outlook. Pills seem to me like putting bandaids on a bullet wound. Therapy is a more sound, healing decision. Unfortunately, people are so wrapped up in their own issues, they dont take the time to aid in others going through a rough time. Human interaction and caring can do so much more than a pill can. Unless its Prilosec, humans cant fix my acid reflux after a long night of drinking. [Edited 10/11/06 7:32am] i'm all for doing both! | |
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Come on Jers ... 
Ask the magic 8 ball !!
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by the way, are you pronouncing issues "ish yews?", or "iss yews" | |
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Mach said: Come on Jers ...
Ask the magic 8 ball !!
. [Edited 10/11/06 7:36am] He'll just get: "You're going to die" | |
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