Have you heard of Pablo Neruda, a great love poet.

I always liked this one.

Tonight I can write the saddest lines.



Write, for example, "The night is starry
and the stars are blue and shiver in the distance."

The night wind revolves in the sky and sings.

Tonight I can write the saddest lines.
I loved her, and sometimes she loved me too.

Through nights like this one I held her in my arms.
I kissed her again and again under the endless sky.

She loved me, sometimes I loved her too.
How could one not have loved her great still eyes.

Tonight I can write the saddest lines.
To think that I do not have her. To feel that I have lost her.

To hear the immense night, still more immense without her.
And the verse falls to the soul like dew to the pasture.

What does it matter that my love could not keep her.
The night is starry and she is not with me.

This is all. In the distance someone is singing. In the distance.
My soul is not satisfied that it has lost her.

My sight tries to find her as though to bring her closer.
My heart looks for her, and she is not with me.

The same night whitening the same trees.
We, of that time, are no longer the same.

I no longer love her, that's certain, but how I loved her.
My voice tried to find the wind to touch her hearing.

Another's. She will be another's. As she was before my kisses.
Her voice, her bright body. Her infinite eyes.

I no longer love her, that's certain, but maybe I love her.
Love is so short, forgetting is so long.

Because through nights like this one I held her in my arms
my soul is not satisfied that it has lost her.

Though this be the last pain that she makes me suffer
and these the last verses that I write for her.



I found the most wonderful person, and fell in love. It lasted 3 month's then one day she said we have to talk. I was caved in! I thanked her for the most wonderful feeling and wished her well. We are still very good friends!
So if it's over you Thank her for being so wonderful, and tell her she will always be special to you. Tell her you want to be friends and walk away and be her friend. And if she was special look for another with the same qualities.
[Edited 10/8/06 23:09pm]

Stop playing games about who does what, when, where and why .....and actually do what u feel!

Im surprised.
What happened to the "Women are like buses,just move on" attitude

Are u bummed u didnt get sacktime or are u down because u missed an opportunity to be with someone nice?

Oh and...
Can we see her myspace now?

3. There aren't any other pretty women approaching me right now.

First!!

ThreadBare said:

You are right. For whatever reason I am just confused right now.

[Edited 10/8/06 22:49pm]

Spats, man, have you recognized the horrific dualism to your threads:

1) "Help me and give me advice with my love life because I don't know what I'm doing."
2) "But don't give me advice I disagree with, because I know best."

ThreadBare said:

this is true ... most all of us notice it

it is also why there is no need to get into the drama of his inner workings and be all upset about his statements for often times in days he turns and contradicts himself

he is in a deep learning process and his threads express that and all the confusion that he is experiencing

after all ... he is just human

like the rest of us ...

he just attempts attention in a non traditional way ... the constant drama and defending his "ways" keeps him comfortably stuck in a place he really is trying to grow out of so by flamming him and bashing his views people are in no way helping him to grow and see things differently ... love and accept his opinions while standing in your own truth and perhaps when he is done fighting to stand his ground he may take different steps

:waiting at my desk, as Spats has an appointment today...flipping through psychiatry today....stopping at the page about a conference in myrtle beach...lectures, golf...hmmm...maybe I should bring my secretary...we'd have to share a room of course to lessen expenses....damn, I need new italian loafers..:

Ah...Spats, sit down....last we spoke, we talked about your father. Lets continue exploring that.

Why aren't you angry at your father?

You hated each man that dated your mother, didn't you. They'd bring flowers, and
speak affectionately, didn't they. You resented them!...they were going to steal your mom from you, werent they?

rodman2 said:

But what about sacktime?

I think that when you go to see her you should tell her the truth. Explain that you don't like to do all (any of) the running and that you like women to make the first move. After all, you have nothing to lose now do you? At least she will understand what the hell has been going on these past few months rather than wondering what she has done wrong.

I am getting ready to go over there now. Wish me luck.

rodman2 said:

But what about sacktime?

Spats said:

How bad are you gonna kiss ass for some sacktime?

7in9 said:

I didn't kiss ass at all. If I did it would probably have gone more smoothly than it did.

Spats said:

Oh I thought you were heartfelt for this girl, if you just want sex well, I see why she is dumping you!

rodman2 said:

I do care about her but i am not a romantic sissy about it. And i don't think i am out of the picture with her yet. We had a long talk and she let me know why she is not happy with out relationship...

1. She does not think i am committed to it. She feels like a part time girlfriend.

2. She does not feel like she really knows me. I don't tell her anything about myself. She wants to know more about me but i won't open up. (Oh Brother)

3. The fact that i didn't remember her birthday (she claims she told Me) and would not come out with her and her friends makes her question whether i care about her that much. Going out by herself while all of her friends were with their boyfriends and girlfriends was embarrassing to her. They have great relationships and it made ours look like a joke.

4.She does not need lots of romance and flowers but she does not want the exact opposite either. She questions sometimes whether i am physically attracted to her because she is usually the one that intiates anything. She does not mind doing it sometimes but not all the time. She says women want to be pursued sometimes and want their man to show that they really want them. She thinks The fact that i don't do it and have not even tried to get her into bed is not normal. I am apparently the exact opposite of her past boyfriends. It intrigued her at first. But it doesn't anymore.

And of course there is the whole immaturity thing.

She says she really likes me a lot but she can't go on with the way things are. She thinks she deserves better than that.

rodman2 said:

I do care about her but i am not a romantic sissy about it. And i don't think i am out of the picture with her yet. We had a long talk and she let me know why she is not happy with out relationship...

1. She does not think i am committed to it. She feels like a part time girlfriend.

2. She does not feel like she really knows me. I don't tell her anything about myself. She wants to know more about me but i won't open up. (Oh Brother)

3. The fact that i didn't remember her birthday (she claims she told Me) and would not come out with her and her friends makes her question whether i care about her that much. Going out by herself while all of her friends were with their boyfriends and girlfriends was embarrassing to her. They have great relationships and it made ours look like a joke.

4.She does not need lots of romance and flowers but she does not want the exact opposite either. She questions sometimes whether i am physically attracted to her because she is usually the one that intiates anything. She does not mind doing it sometimes but not all the time. She says women want to be pursued sometimes and want their man to show that they really want them. She thinks The fact that i don't do it and have not even tried to get her into bed is not normal. I am apparently the exact opposite of her past boyfriends. It intrigued her at first. But it doesn't anymore.

And of course there is the whole immaturity thing.

She says she really likes me a lot but she can't go on with the way things are. She thinks she deserves better than that.

rodman2 said:

I do care about her but i am not a romantic sissy about it. And i don't think i am out of the picture with her yet. We had a long talk and she let me know why she is not happy with out relationship...

1. She does not think i am committed to it. She feels like a part time girlfriend.

2. She does not feel like she really knows me. I don't tell her anything about myself. She wants to know more about me but i won't open up. (Oh Brother)

3. The fact that i didn't remember her birthday (she claims she told Me) and would not come out with her and her friends makes her question whether i care about her that much. Going out by herself while all of her friends were with their boyfriends and girlfriends was embarrassing to her. They have great relationships and it made ours look like a joke.

4.She does not need lots of romance and flowers but she does not want the exact opposite either. She questions sometimes whether i am physically attracted to her because she is usually the one that intiates anything. She does not mind doing it sometimes but not all the time. She says women want to be pursued sometimes and want their man to show that they really want them. She thinks The fact that i don't do it and have not even tried to get her into bed is not normal. I am apparently the exact opposite of her past boyfriends. It intrigued her at first. But it doesn't anymore.

And of course there is the whole immaturity thing.

She says she really likes me a lot but she can't go on with the way things are. She thinks she deserves better than that.

Walk by her with one of your buds while tenderly holding his hand. If she thinks she's turned you gay she will want you that much more.

Spats said:

and? so what now?

ZombieKitten said:

I told her that i am not good at that stuff and don't like getting into deep conversations and "Pursuing" and making the moves first. I asked her if we could try again if I improved on those things. She didn't say yes but she didn't say no.

So i guess it's up to me to decide if she is worth giving in and doing that nonsense.

It's too bad because tomorrow is my birthday and it looks like there isn't gonna be any birthday sacktime. i hope i get the new playboy as a present from mom, so I have new material to jerk off with.

ZombieKitten said:

I told her that i am not good at that stuff and don't like getting into deep conversations and "Pursuing" and making the moves first. I asked her if we could try again if I improved on those things. She didn't say yes but she didn't say no.

So i guess it's up to me to decide if she is worth giving in and doing that nonsense.

It's too bad because tomorrow is my birthday and it looks like there isn't gonna be any birthday sacktime.

Spats said:

If you consider it all to be nonsense, then just move on. She's not going to change you, and you're not going to change her. She's going to pick up on your feelings that it's all BS. You're just prolonging the inevitable.