The problem doesn't lie with the kid, it lies with the parents. I would go after them. And by 'go' I mean, talk to them directly, tell them that you will get the police involved, etc.

gemini13 said:

it wouldnt be worth it. anyone that tells their kid to lie clearly isnt of a mindset that would register how wrong they are

cborgman said:

This is so true!

gemini13 said:

it'd just be more drama, probably

God help the fucker who thinks he can do ANYTHING like that to my daughter and get away with it...




















































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Ok...that seriously set me off. Not just imagining it happening to my daughter but to anyone's daughter. I know that the reality is the kid has obviously grown up in a fucked-up environment, or literally has some emotional or mental issues...it's extremely rare for anyone to be THAT mean, violent and abusive just off the top of their head and just for the hell of it...but still... ...Good for you for insisting on that shit being handled properly...

cborgman said:

Well , drama or not , some damn action has to be taken anyway to get that responsability pumped into those parent's minds .
Don't let this slide away into air .
If a talk with the parents ain't gonna happen then do an instant serious report to the police .

You're nice. If a kid pushed my daughter, I might settle for his suspension. But if a mofo pushed my daughter down, grabbed her by the neck and pulled out her friggin' hair, he'd HAVE to be expelled for me to be satisfied.

...And if he SPIT on her!?!?!! ...at the least, I might arrange to get his little ass jumped. Not only is that deeply, deeply degrading, but it's a potential health threat these days.

Anyways, I would BEG you go to the police with this. Make sure they record the specifics of the incident, which was not merely an everyday schoolyard skirmish, but a friggin' ILLEGAL ASSUALT! If it happened anywhere else, I'm sure you'd have been to the police station already, no? And make sure they record your encounter with school authorities this far. Even if this doesn't contribute to some remedy of the immediate situation, it is deeply important that this be recorded for future reference, in case that kid does this to someone else.

NEXT, !@$# the principal. Take this to the superintendant's office. Name names. Embarrass people. Demand some accountability. Yeah -- make yourself a pain in the butt. And you may not have to get a lawyer, but by all means THREATEN it.

Lastly, don't say a word to the kid or his mom. You owe her nothing... and she probably is too stupid to recieve it well anyway. She'd consider you to be harrassing her and her kid. Let her come to you. And only chat with her and the kid in the presence of a third party (a school official).

All this may be a slight overreaction. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

By the way... not to place any blame on the victim, but, yes, you should think about ways to help your daughter act more defensively. First, by not saying things to a potential livewire; next, by defending herself if she has to.

In 5th grade, there was a little girl named Shannon that I use to mess with. I teased her all the time. One day, I think I may have pushed her, and she gave me a face full of her metal Strawberry Shortcake lunchbox.

...From that point on, we were the best of buddies.

Nowadays, doing something like that may be dangerous. But your girl's got to learn to stand some ground, I think -- for the sake of her own sense of security.

NEXT, !@$# the principal. Take this to the superintendant's office. Name names. Embarrass people. Demand some accountability. Yeah -- make yourself a pain in the butt. And you may not have to get a lawyer, but by all means THREATEN it.

All this may be a slight overreaction. But the squeaky wheel gets the grease.[/quote]


Wow you sound like you've had some experience at this. Not to be a smartass or anything, but being a coach and being in education I have to deal with reactive parents who want to sue and parents who get all defensive (why aren't you playing my son?(cause he's lazy as fuck and doesn't show any heart at practice just come watch him./ why can't my son speak properly and read at grade level(because he has severe autism/ you might want to check him out in class and see how teachable he is!) So I actually get all pissed off at people who are sue happy and have victim mentalities. Too all you attention grubbing rabble rowser types...Grow a fucking pair would you!

oh man. it is so hard to refrain from being violent when your child is involved. oh dear, i can't believe that bitch told him to lie. thats why some kids are so messed up as adults now. i would ride that damn school until they expelled his ass.

karmatornado said:

All do respect but there is a vast difference between what you have written about and being thrown to the ground by your neck..having your hair pulled out and then being SPIT upon. V A S T !

















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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Precisely. I'm aware there are "helicopter" parents, who just hover over the entire school waiting to attack. I'm hardly one of those. But if the above-mentioned stuff happened to my kid -- undeservingly, there'd have to be some discomfort spread around.
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Lammastide said:

By the way Gemini I am sure that your daughter is a lovely girl,, ,I am just speculating based on everyday experience... your probably right.

Un be fucking lievable!!!! Like Wow!

I say call the police anyway. No way should kids have to put up with that shit in school. Obviously the parents aren't doin' something rite if that boy is treating your daughter that way. So if he gets suspended, who knows if the parents'll even care. More action should be taken before he becomes a threat to someone else.

gemini13 said:

Calling the police is a bit much. Stuff like this has been happening forever with kids. When i was a kid nobody was calling the police. At most there would be a suspension.

Get your daughter into self defense classes or karate classes. Stuff like that.

applekisses said:

I agree. What kind of kids are we raising today? It really bespeaks of a kind of societal cancer that will eventually eat away at us all

gemini13 said:

Hot ghetto mess.

I implore you to call five-o on that little thug. Sounds like he's going to be involved with the cops sooner or later.

Get your daughter into private or parochial school ASAP. Back in my Catholic school days, that kid would have been suspended or expelled right on the spot. Inner-city schools are a f-n joke. Too many out-of-control kids raised by ghetto MFers who don't know sh!t about parenting. I see them every day on the subway, talking loud and saying nothing. Teachers and administrators can't do anything and how can they? It's not their job to make sure kids are raised right.

Like is too short to have to deal with bullsh!t. Time to leave that school and never look back.

what the hell is wrong with people these days ...
Heaven help ..no wait I hope heaven wouldn't help any person that touched my kids

Ottensen said:

Just got up way too early because I'm still angry. I may just leave work for a while and go to the school to make sure that things are going the way they should.

Kick that fucker in the head like I did to some kid that bullied my brother.

Spookymuffin said:

Believe me, if I could get away with it, I would SCARE THE SHIT out of him and his mother.

gemini13 said:

You got any other children? That's how I got away with it - if my mum had done it it would have been different, but since the older teenage brother did it it was more like "oh he's just rude".

Spookymuffin said:

No other children.

gemini13 said:

Wanna pay for my flight to your school and a baseball bat?

Document Everything!! make sure that you keep accurate written accounts of every conversation that you have with school administration. Document the times, dates, and results of your converstions. If the principal at your daughters school isnt willing to adrresss this, your documented evidence to the superintendant, who hopefully will pressure the administration in your school to act. All students have the right to an education in a safe environment. Sorry that your daughter had to deal w/something like that.

gemini13 said:

I wish you good luck during this time .
Also , if the bully should be suspended , then you might want to keep in mind the chance that his friends want to blame your daughter for the actions that have been taken against him ( as fucked up as that attitude from them is ) ... that's how is acted sometimes at schools .
So maybe another school would be better ... somehow , one has their pride NOT to be bullied away from school though ... but best to take decisions that won't make the situation more stressfull .

As for the bully ... he's in that age-group where his state of mind can escalate even more drastically , so a good place to be to avoid that future-scenario would be at the Glen Mills School : www.glenmillsschool.org
Students who went on risky paths of crime are educated there by former students , who were in the same situation .
It works like in the military , he will be pointed on his actions by the whole group of other students following the program with him .
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Good for you, advocating for your child. 'Cause the school sho' as hell won't. They think bullying is normal behavior.

It's probably not good that I'm listening to Pantera's Walk right now.