myownprivateinsanity said:

Do you eat meat?

Given your stance on the relationship between animals and humans, you should have absolutely no qualms about eating the Pizza boy if you are a meat eater. It's all the same right?

LleeLlee said:

Yeah I eat meat.....However I eat meat to survive.

My comments were actually aimed at the fact that People seem to think we are the "Masters" of this Planet and that every thing on this planet exists purely for our own purpose.....We are ignonrant of our own being.

I wouldn't eat my Pizza delivery guy.....He has a Family to feed.....

myownprivateinsanity said:

We don't need meat to survive.

Stymie said:

My apology.....I eat meat to suffice my Carnivorous diet.....Although I do not need to eat Meat to survive apparently.....

Stymie said:

So, why exactly should animals have to suffer while humans sort out our mess? It's not their fault that we are cruel bastards.

The key to understanding the 'equality' part of the animal rights movement is to note the difference between "same" and "equal". Animals are not the same as humans. Some things that cause humans to suffer don't bother animals, or bother them very little. And many "rights" that we have do not apply to them, because of the ways that they are different (the right to vote, for example).

But, the fact that they are intellectually inferior does not make their pain any less relevant.

For example, is it any less wrong to kick a severely retarded person than a normal person? The retarded person is DIFFERENT, maybe they can't drive or vote, maybe they can't even speak. But they can suffer, so most of us would say that it is just as wrong to kick them.

That's the argument for respecting and preventing animal suffering. The fact that they are different from us doesn't make their suffering less real.

myownprivateinsanity said:

No worries. I just don't get 'respect the animal kingdom, but it's okay to eat them'.

Stymie said:

Most people don't.

CarrieMpls said:

If the alternatives aren't warm enough, I would suggest that people in Minnesota buy used furs, then.

And yeah, it would be silly to throw away something that has already been purchased. What would be the point? I've done that with leather. . . been SURE that something looked too much like plastic to even bother reading the label . . .

HereToRockYourWorld said:

very well put!

Personally, I wouldn't buy one for myself nor my wife.

However, I'm not going to chastise someone who does.

Mankind is destructive by nature.
The food you eat, the clothes you wear (synthetic or not), the car you drive, the house you live in...it ALL results in the death of countless numbers of innocent animals and their natural homes.

Farms require toxic pesticides and the clearing of pristine lands. Polyester originates from crude oil....as does Gasoline. Lumber comes from old growth forests. Everytime you take a crap...where do you think the sewage goes? For most people...into a river or an ocean...and I don't see anyone protesting bowel movements over the senseless destruction of our marine environment.

So unless you eat organic foods, walk to work, and live butt-naked in a cave with no electricity...you're contributing to the senseless death of fauna & flora somewhere in the world.

PurpleJedi said:

yes and no - just because people do unnecessary and hurtful things doesn't mean you have to perpetuate the cycle. any change to the status quo is a good thing.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I agree.
But IMO if you're going to campaign & stage protests against something...then invest your time in a more worthwhile cause such as ending the pollution of our oceans or deforestation.
The fur industry isn't contributing to the earth's demise...and the amount of cruelty to animals which they perpetrate PALES in comparison to the poultry and cattle industry.

Fur is already a luxury item, meaning only those with certain means can afford them...but how many people eat fried chicken and own automobiles?

Eventually society will probably consider fur to be unfashionable (back when fur was needed for warmth, it was kept on the INSIDE of coats as it was considered unattractive)...how long will it take for gasoline engines to be phased out?

Let me stop rambling...I guess I can sum it up with one word; PRIORITIES.

PurpleJedi said:

absolutely - all of those issues are being addressed. this time of year, fur becomes an issue, of course.

PurpleJedi said:

Very true, as with a lot of what you say in your posts.

Remember though, that those who have posted here and are against fur - Might not be solely concerned about that - That is to say, We are not "Only" concerned with the Fur issue - We just answered a Question....."How do you feel about clothes made of animal fur?"

If this Question had been "How do you feel about Mans mistreatment of Mankind" or maybe "How do you feel about mans Rape and pillagement of the Earth" I am quite confident that the same people would show the same if not more concern in thier posts....


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myownprivateinsanity said:

Of course I did not mean to imply that anti-fur activists are one-track minds. However there ARE individuals out there who picket in front of fur salons and throw red paint on women wearing fur.

My response started with;
and my subsequent ramblings are aimed directly at said individuals.

PurpleJedi said:

organic foods, natural fabrics, walk or cycle to work, solar power... seem like good alternatives.

i think the diea is to minimise our impact on our environment. harvesting fur is just as bogus to me as eating fried chicken and leaving the light burning in ur home cuz u never remember to turn em off.

there R solutions, i believe, we just have to put them into practice, if we really care. if we don't, then far as i'm concerned, we r SUB human, not human, and certainly not humane.

sacredwarrior said:

I'm willing to give up alot to help the environment. But don't touch my fried chicken!!!!

PurpleJedi said:

" im willing to purify myself and my world, just dont touch my filth "

sacredwarrior said:

I'm willing to purify my drinking water.
In order to purify this world, we would need to wipe mankind off the face of it.

fur, leather, suede, cashmere, silk, lamb, wool - own'm all...

so i gather that i cast my vote as..... WEAR IT!!!

represent that

PurpleJedi said:

Point taken, but let me suggest that sometimes it's worth spending time on smaller battles that are easily won. Many people are sympathetic to the fur issue, and it gets them thinking. So, yes, there are much larger-scale issues to worry about, and people do. But because fur is SO frivolous and it's so easy for most people to see why it's questionable, it's almost like good animal rights PR.