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PrintableNatisse said: I detest fur garments and will not buy from a retailer that sells it... but I fully admit my hypocrasy also because I have been given a Leather Jacket and bought Leather wallets, bags and shoes before
like Lammistade (sp) I'm trying to wean myself off it I only own the Leather Jacket now and that's only because it has more sentimental value than anything - I haven't worn it for many years To me, the unethical part is more in the buying than the wearing. Giving the money to the company is what supports the cruelty. So, once it has been purchased, or if it has been purchased secondhand, I don't have any big issue with it. And I'm vegan. 
But, while I have been known to wear used leather or wool, I think I will continue to draw a line at fur. I think there are circumstances where eating a critter and using their hide is perfectly fine, but unless a person lives in circumstances where they truly need fur to be warm, I don't think it's ever ok to kill animals just for their hide, and I wouldn't want to promote it. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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"Usually, quite warm and snug, actually. Thank you for asking..." | |
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ThreadBare said:
"Usually, quite warm and snug, actually. Thank you for asking..." noone's perfect... still love him though  | |
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The fur coats I have were my Grandmas that she gave to me.. it was height of fashion back when she bought them, and cos they have been stuck in her wardrobe for many years and are unsuitable for her, does not make me feel bad in wearing her coats.
Although its a shame, I have a lovely black coney coat, but the shoulder shapes are a bit dated.. I am waiting for that style to come back in fashion. I also have a fab coat made of llama and its the most wonderfully warm and cosy coat I have worn in a long time. If I had a choice and I had money to go out and buy a new coat, for me it would be 100% wool though. | |
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Natisse said: ThreadBare said:
"Usually, quite warm and snug, actually. Thank you for asking..." noone's perfect... still love him though Sorry sweetie? Nobodys perfect? You say that cos he is wearing fur?  | |
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I find all this talk about fur to be a little extreme. People wear animal skins -- even if only on their feet. Sometimes, in their car's upholstery.
I believe that people who get involved in such crusades for animals truly must be called to do so. Still, I think folks should be more concerned with the state of other people. On NPR a few days ago, I heard a story about scientists who are scrambling to get a dolphin outfitted with prosthetic tails. They say the animal cannot be released to the wild (where it most likely would be killed by another animal), though the dolphin has found a way to adapt and swim very well and fast without the tail. It's an animal. There's a person on the streets, I assure you, who needs a prosthesis of some sort. Where's the outrage there? [Edited 10/2/06 7:37am] | |
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ThreadBare said: I find all this talk about fur to be a little extreme. People wear animal skins -- even if only on their feet. Sometimes, in their car's upholstery.
I believe that people who get involved in such crusades for animals truly must be called to do so. Still, I think folks should be more concerned with the state of other people. On NPR a few days ago, I heard a story about scientists who are scrambling to get a dolphin outfitted with prosthetic tails. They say the animal cannot be released to the wild (where it most likely would be killed by another animal), though the dolphin has found a way to adapt and swim very well and fast without the tail. It's an animal. There's a person on the streets, I assure you, who needs a prosthesis of some sort. Where's the outrage there? [Edited 10/2/06 7:37am]  well said ThreadBare  | |
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REDFEATHERS said: ThreadBare said: I find all this talk about fur to be a little extreme. People wear animal skins -- even if only on their feet. Sometimes, in their car's upholstery.
I believe that people who get involved in such crusades for animals truly must be called to do so. Still, I think folks should be more concerned with the state of other people. On NPR a few days ago, I heard a story about scientists who are scrambling to get a dolphin outfitted with prosthetic tails. They say the animal cannot be released to the wild (where it most likely would be killed by another animal), though the dolphin has found a way to adapt and swim very well and fast without the tail. It's an animal. There's a person on the streets, I assure you, who needs a prosthesis of some sort. Where's the outrage there? [Edited 10/2/06 7:37am] well said ThreadBare Thanks, sis.
Still, while wrapping a house with insulation paper Saturday, I still blew on a gnat to keep it from getting smushed as we applied the paper to the house. I'm going soft in my old age...  | |
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ThreadBare said: REDFEATHERS said: well said ThreadBare Thanks, sis.
Still, while wrapping a house with insulation paper Saturday, I still blew on a gnat to keep it from getting smushed as we applied the paper to the house. I'm going soft in my old age... Yeah I do stuff like that, like carry a spider and release it outside and stuff, but I feel today alot of people who care about animals dont really care about people. | |
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ThreadBare said: I find all this talk about fur to be a little extreme. People wear animal skins -- even if only on their feet. Sometimes, in their car's upholstery.
I believe that people who get involved in such crusades for animals truly must be called to do so. Still, I think folks should be more concerned with the state of other people. On NPR a few days ago, I heard a story about scientists who are scrambling to get a dolphin outfitted with prosthetic tails. They say the animal cannot be released to the wild (where it most likely would be killed by another animal), though the dolphin has found a way to adapt and swim very well and fast without the tail. It's an animal. There's a person on the streets, I assure you, who needs a prosthesis of some sort. Where's the outrage there? [Edited 10/2/06 7:37am] i think it's a misperception to say that animal welfare folks don't care about people. many of the activists i have come to know over the years are also involved in human service and human rights causes. and i guess i would count myself in that same category. i heard that dolphin story as well. the reasoning behind the prosthetic tails (several individual ones over the dolphin's lifetime) was to avoid spinal injuries due to improper movement. whether this is truly necessary, i'm not sure either. and yes, there are a lot of land mine victims, for example, who are not being helped to the same degree. in terms of animal rights and human rights in general - i think we can do both. there seems to be an artificial boundary, and an expectation that our compassion is somehow limited. and of course, the welfare of humans and the welfare of animals and the environment are always connected. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: ThreadBare said: I find all this talk about fur to be a little extreme. People wear animal skins -- even if only on their feet. Sometimes, in their car's upholstery.
I believe that people who get involved in such crusades for animals truly must be called to do so. Still, I think folks should be more concerned with the state of other people. On NPR a few days ago, I heard a story about scientists who are scrambling to get a dolphin outfitted with prosthetic tails. They say the animal cannot be released to the wild (where it most likely would be killed by another animal), though the dolphin has found a way to adapt and swim very well and fast without the tail. It's an animal. There's a person on the streets, I assure you, who needs a prosthesis of some sort. Where's the outrage there? [Edited 10/2/06 7:37am] i think it's a misperception to say that animal welfare folks don't care about people. many of the activists i have come to know over the years are also involved in human service and human rights causes. and i guess i would count myself in that same category. i heard that dolphin story as well. the reasoning behind the prosthetic tails (several individual ones over the dolphin's lifetime) was to avoid spinal injuries due to improper movement. whether this is truly necessary, i'm not sure either. and yes, there are a lot of land mine victims, for example, who are not being helped to the same degree. in terms of animal rights and human rights in general - i think we can do both. there seems to be an artificial boundary, and an expectation that our compassion is somehow limited. and of course, the welfare of humans and the welfare of animals and the environment are always connected. Yeah, I don't think it's necessary to spare the dolphin. Circle of life and such. Again, I agree with the aim of being humane to animals; I just think people should be the priority. Sometimes, animal-rights activists seem a bit extreme. This from someone who worked for a number of years down the street from PETA headquarters. The calls we got at the paper one day, when one of the circus' horses dropped dead near PETA...  | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: ThreadBare said: I find all this talk about fur to be a little extreme. People wear animal skins -- even if only on their feet. Sometimes, in their car's upholstery.
I believe that people who get involved in such crusades for animals truly must be called to do so. Still, I think folks should be more concerned with the state of other people. On NPR a few days ago, I heard a story about scientists who are scrambling to get a dolphin outfitted with prosthetic tails. They say the animal cannot be released to the wild (where it most likely would be killed by another animal), though the dolphin has found a way to adapt and swim very well and fast without the tail. It's an animal. There's a person on the streets, I assure you, who needs a prosthesis of some sort. Where's the outrage there? [Edited 10/2/06 7:37am] i think it's a misperception to say that animal welfare folks don't care about people. many of the activists i have come to know over the years are also involved in human service and human rights causes. and i guess i would count myself in that same category. i heard that dolphin story as well. the reasoning behind the prosthetic tails (several individual ones over the dolphin's lifetime) was to avoid spinal injuries due to improper movement. whether this is truly necessary, i'm not sure either. and yes, there are a lot of land mine victims, for example, who are not being helped to the same degree. in terms of animal rights and human rights in general - i think we can do both. there seems to be an artificial boundary, and an expectation that our compassion is somehow limited. and of course, the welfare of humans and the welfare of animals and the environment are always connected. I love your posts and I know you know your facts etc etc respect! 
Without getting into a whole new topic or discussion, I just want to say (and I am sure you are fully aware) unfortunately over here in the UK there are those who do not know the full facts or have morals when it comes to having a balance between caring for animals and caring for people.  [Edited 10/2/06 7:58am] | |
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i'm much more worried about people who live their lives in denial and ignorance of ANY suffering. the world would be a much better place if all people chose to stand up for just ONE issue. it takes absolutely nothing to speak up for an injustice we see - and so much could be accomplished on ALL fronts. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: i'm much more worried about people who live their lives in denial and ignorance of ANY suffering. the world would be a much better place if all people chose to stand up for just ONE issue. it takes absolutely nothing to speak up for an injustice we see - and so much could be accomplished on ALL fronts.
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ThreadBare said: IrresistibleB1tch said: i'm much more worried about people who live their lives in denial and ignorance of ANY suffering. the world would be a much better place if all people chose to stand up for just ONE issue. it takes absolutely nothing to speak up for an injustice we see - and so much could be accomplished on ALL fronts.
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Lilith said: GRRRRR
 I completly disagree ....
whats about clothes made of human skin? Did somebody say skin suit? 
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sacredwarrior said: i dont agree with it.
They are warm and snuggly! | |
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I don't have any fur items...but only because that's not my style. I do have a deer head mounted on the wall in our computer room. 
and folx are acting like leather only comes from cows....there's lots of different "skins" used in "leather" I love leather!  "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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AnckSuNamun said:[quote] Lilith said: GRRRRR
I completly disagree ....
whats about clothes made of human skin? Did somebody say skin suit? **** No, it was just a provoking question... Skin suit... it remembers me "The silence of the lambs".... | |
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Lilith said:[quote] AnckSuNamun said: Lilith said: GRRRRR
I completly disagree ....
whats about clothes made of human skin? Did somebody say skin suit? **** No, it was just a provoking question... Skin suit... it remembers me "The silence of the lambs".... Yeah.....I was just being silly. looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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i think leather looks better on people than it does on the animal from which it came. i'm also totally in love my fur lined leather gloves (but not so in love with them that i'll miss needing them in the winter, thank you CA). some people can pull off a fur coat but generally my opinion is they too often look old lady-ish. that said, when the chicago tundra hit the negatives, the thought of buying a fur would often cross my mind. | |
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sallysassalot said: i think leather looks better on people than it does on the animal from which it came. i'm also totally in love my fur lined leather gloves (but not so in love with them that i'll miss needing them in the winter, thank you CA). some people can pull off a fur coat but generally my opinion is they too often look old lady-ish. that said, when the chicago tundra hit the negatives, the thought of buying a fur would often cross my mind.
oh damn looking for you in the woods tonight Switch FC SW-2874-2863-4789 (Rum&Coke) | |
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AnckSuNamun said: sallysassalot said: i think leather looks better on people than it does on the animal from which it came. i'm also totally in love my fur lined leather gloves (but not so in love with them that i'll miss needing them in the winter, thank you CA). some people can pull off a fur coat but generally my opinion is they too often look old lady-ish. that said, when the chicago tundra hit the negatives, the thought of buying a fur would often cross my mind.
oh damn just sayin'. my leather shoes are sexy. calves are not. | |
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sallysassalot said: AnckSuNamun said: oh damn just sayin'. my leather shoes are sexy. calves are not. Ladies and gentlemen, after hundreds of years of philosophical deliberation, FINALLY a clear and concise way to decide whether or not a choice is ethical: "Is it SEXY?  "
Well done. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Yeah.....I was just being silly. [/quote]
COOL... I've noticed it  | |
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And how do you feel about eating meat and wearing leather ? | |
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gemini13 said: CynthiasSocks said: I just love chinchilla! A few years ago Drew and I were Xmas shopping in Atlanta and a store had 'chinchilla' bombers for $6000... it wasn't chinchilla, but a rabbit. That same day we saw a beautiful real chinchilla coat at Neimans for $190,000. I can't help myself, chinchilla is heaven on earth.  Awww...you guys...
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totally sickening  [Edited 10/5/06 6:27am] | |
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applekisses said: gemini13 said: I can't help myself, chinchilla is heaven on earth. Awww...you guys...
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applekisses said: gemini13 said: I can't help myself, chinchilla is heaven on earth. Awww...you guys...
those things give me the creeps....I dont think they are cute at all...soft yes...cute...no. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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