Some of you make me sick to my stomach. Try having empathy for a person, once in awhile.
[Edited 9/27/06 8:13am]

DexMSR said:

Hey, we see it differently. I think it's a cruel thing to do to people who love you. I understand the rationale of the person choosing it, but it can really wreck loved ones.

TommyRoss said:

He's an ATTENTION WHORE LIKE NO OTHER , as the great F. Zappa would say ...he's a "suicide chump" !

ThreadBare said:

It is their choice still. And it is only selfish if your life were dependent on the person who kills themself.

I went through a tough suicide of my favorite cousin, it hurt, but it is not about me. For you to think so, is more selfish on your part than the act itself. Why would a person even think about how others will feel if they killed themselves when it is THEM that is hurting?

This could all be a publicity stunt, but it made for nice fodder here!!

DexMSR said:

Like I said, we see it differently.

I just hope he's able to work through whatever the problem is.

AsylumUtopia said:

Oh no no no.....I was clinically depressed. So, you see, I have first hand experience with this. And yes, it is something you can "get over" or at the very least, you learn to stop CREATING drama in your life, and that usually comes with age and/or wisdom. What in the world does he have to be depressed about really? And looking at his history, he could very well be an undiagnosed bipolar.

gemini13 said:

Sorry, it was an assumption on my part that a diagnosis of depression means it's something you have for life, something that can be managed with medication but not cured. Obviously, I'm far from expert, and (assumption time again) I assume there are many forms and degrees of depression. I do know (having just seen a very interesting 2 part program about it featuring Stephen Fry) that bipolar is sadly one of those forms that can be managed but not cured. As you say, what has he got to be depressed about, hence the suggestion that he might be undiagnosed.

Kitty Dukakis was on NPR's "Fresh Air" yesterday, espousing the benefits of electroconvulsive (shock) therapy in treating her depression.

DexMSR said:

That's what some of homies said at the football website I go to. There's no love for T.O. among Eagle fans.

ThreadBare said:

Good gravy! I didn'tknow that. Kitty was bad off! Girl was drinking rubbing alcohol for a while.

An update that throws skepticism on the suicide angle.

-- TB



Updated:2006-09-27 14:28:37
Police Claim T.O. Tried to Harm Himself
But Publicist Disputes Reports of Suicide Attempt
AP
DALLAS (Sept. 27) - Flamboyant Dallas Cowboys receiver Terrell Owens tried to kill himself by overdosing on pain medication, even putting two more pills into his mouth after a friend intervened, according to a police report obtained Wednesday.

Owens left the hospital late Wednesday morning, giving reporters a "thumbs up" but making no comment as he was driven away in an SUV.

Publicist Kim Etheredge said in various interviews Wednesday with Dallas-area media that the police have gotten the story wrong. She said she was with Owens, who was having trouble because he'd mixed his pain pills with supplements. She said she called for help because he was becoming unresponsive.

Etheredge did not immediately respond to repeated calls and e-mails from The Associated Press.

The Dallas police report said Owens was asked by rescue workers "if he was attempting to harm himself, at which time (he) stated, `Yes."'

The report said the 32-year-old Owens told his friend "that he was depressed." Details of the police report were first reported by WFAA-TV.

Police Lt. Rick Watson said during a brief news conference that he could only confirm that paramedics called police to say they were taking Owens to the hospital. He said no more details would come from the police because no laws were broken.

"This is a high-profile person. We looked into it, and we determined it is not a criminal offense," Watson said. "This a medical type of situation that occurred."

NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders said he spoke with Owens shortly before his release from the hospital and that Owens was in good spirits.




"A Deeply, Deeply Disturbed Man"

"The fact that it has been reported a suicide attempt, he's laughed at that notion. It was a case that medication that was taken wasn't accepted well in his system with the other vitamins he's on," Sanders said.

Watson and fire department spokesman Joel Lavender cited privacy laws for the lack of information they could provide. Lavender said more details could come from the 911 call. The AP filed a request under the Freedom of Information Act to get the contents of the call.

"Let's just look at the tape, review the tape," Lavender said. "I'll give you an honest answer once I know something."

At the police news conference, Watson released a version of the police narrative with certain sections blacked out. The full report was obtained by several news outlets and reported first by WFAA. The AP received the full version from WFAA.

The friend, who is not identified in the report, "noticed that (his) prescription pain medication was empty and observed (Owens) putting two pills in his mouth," the police report said. The friend attempted to pry them out with her fingers.

The report also said the friend told rescue workers that a prescription for 40 pills was filled on Sept. 18, and that Owens "had only taken five pills up to this date."

According to the police report, Dallas Fire and Rescue was called Tuesday evening regarding someone "attempting suicide by prescription pain medication." Officers arrived to find Owens being stabilized by ambulance workers, who then took him to Baylor University Medical Center, where the police report said he was treated "for a drug overdose."

Owens was hospitalized late Tuesday because of what his publicist said was an allergic reaction to pain medicine he was taking for a broken hand. Doctors reportedly tried to induce vomiting.

Owens, one of the league's top receivers during his 11-year NFL career, is best known for wild stunts on the field and other publicity-seeking antics off it.

When the Cowboys signed him to a $25 million, three-year deal in March, they said their background checks indicated no red flags. In fact, team consultant Calvin Hill -- who mostly deals with troubled players -- said during training camp that his department was not involved with Owens because he didn't have a history of those kinds of problems.

He missed most of training camp, and three of four preseason games, because of a hamstring injury. He was late for work during his recovery and was fined for it, but Owens laughed it off, saying he overslept. He said it had happened before, though not with Dallas, and would probably happen again.

Owens broke the bone leading to his right ring finger during a game a week ago Sunday. The next day, doctors screwed in a plate so the bone could heal without fear of further damage. Cowboys coach Bill Parcells said last week that the pain medicine made Owens ill.

Owens had not practiced since the injury, but because Dallas had a bye this past weekend he did not miss a game. He was expected to practice Wednesday, and Parcells had said there was a chance Owens could play Sunday against Tennessee .

Owens had been especially looking forward to the Cowboys' game after that -- Oct. 8, in Philadelphia , against the team that dumped him midway through last season only months after he helped them nearly win the Super Bowl.

Owens was seen laughing and joking on the practice field Tuesday morning. He chatted briefly with reporters in the locker room in the afternoon and seemed fine. A 2-inch scar on the top of his hand was puffy but not wrapped, and he said the swelling was going down.

While in the locker room, he took a pill from a white paper bag and looked at another medicine bottle that was in the bag. He also called a business partner about a towel-wrap venture they're starting and joked to TV cameras that he wasn't talking until Wednesday and today was only Tuesday.

"My little boy knows better than that," he said, laughing, as he plopped onto a sofa in the middle of the locker room.

Also Tuesday, Owens was involved in launching a national campaign for the National Alliance to End Abuse, an organization aimed at helping at-risk youngsters. He appeared at a high school Tuesday morning and was scheduled to visit others but had to cancel because of changes in the team's practice schedule.

A hospital spokeswoman said early Wednesday there was no patient registered as Terrell Owens, although federal privacy laws allow people to block their name from being released. Owens' publicist and agent, and the Cowboys, did not return repeated calls from The Associated Press. No teammates or Cowboys officials were seen entering the hospital late Tuesday night.

Owens has played two games for the Cowboys, catching nine passes for 99 yards and a touchdown.

Owens, already a top receiver with the San Francisco 49ers , burst to prominence in 2000 for his celebration of two touchdowns on the star logo at midfield of Texas Stadium in a game against the Cowboys. A Dallas player blind-sided him after the second one.

The legend of T.O. grew when he celebrated another touchdown by pulling a Sharpie from his sock and autographing the ball in a 49ers game at Seattle . He's also borrowed a cheerleader's pompoms, done sit-ups on his driveway before TV cameras and mocked Ravens tough guy Ray Lewis ' celebration in a game against Baltimore .

Before a Monday night game against Dallas last season, Owens took part in a risque promotional stunt with one of ABC's "Desperate Housewives" that later prompted an apology from the network.

Owens was heavily praised while with the Eagles for playing well in the February 2005 Super Bowl, seven weeks after ankle surgery. However, his relationship with quarterback Donovan McNabb deteriorated soon after and the organization suspended him in midseason and later got rid of him amid contract complaints and other personality squabbles. Team owner Jeffrey Lurie said later that, even with the Super Bowl trip, he regretted having ever signed Owens.

And so the spin starts...

Reporters! Anything for a good story huh?

Hmmm???

Interesting, sounds like a big mistake on his publicist's part.

Now, he's denying it.

hmm.
[Edited 9/27/06 13:30pm]