Whateva said:

I see, how interesting...I've never heard of that before!

Can you not just eat the insides of the apple, not the skin?

senik said:

subway's always been very good to me. the worst is going out for a sit-down dinner and having them screw up my order, especially when the waiter is like "if you want, you can just keep this plate and we won't charge you the difference for the meat."

Anx said:

Aside from potential to overdose certain vitamins (the long term effects of which we do not actually know) many supplements contain carrier matrices and additives like aspartame and colorants that are totally unrequired and potentially harmful.

But a healthy balanced diet should be just that if you are supplementing it isn't balanced.

If you feel like you need more vitamin c drink a glass of oj.

All a big scam IMHO and a potentially harmful one at that. Regulations on "natural remedies" and "supplements" are way to relaxed.

PREDOMINANT said:

this is the first time i've ever heard about the dangers of vitamins. reading your posts, taking my daily multi-for-men sounds worse than maintaining a pack-a-day smoking habit!

susannah said:[quote]Total and utter omnivore here [/qote]


Chat-up line???

onenitealone said:

Charlotte still asks me if I've had the opportunity to use that!

I haven't though yet
[Edited 9/27/06 6:07am]

Anx said:

Remember that before we knew the risks of smoking, it was considered (and promoted) as a cool, sophisticated and even HEALTHY pastime!

All I am saying is throwing a handful of "healthy" vitamins down your neck everyday is a trend of our paranoid society and there is very little hard evidence to suggest that it is of any benefit to us at all.

How much do you spend on supplements each week. I bet it could buy an awful lot of fruit and veg!

susannah said:

I'm an omnivore. And I'm worth it.

onenitealone said:

I'm forced into veganism

PREDOMINANT said:

I'm with you Predom I don't trust vitamins, supplements and such like. I'd rather keep the green grocer in business. Can't go wrong there! I think as long as you eat a balanced diet youre ok, But I understand that's more difficult for vegans/vegetarians...

PREDOMINANT said:

i take 1 multi, 1 veggie supplement and 2 gingkos every day. my teeth haven't fallen out yet! (fingers crossed)

Anx said:

Yer teeth will be fine, perhaps for now

susannah said:

really, the only vitamin you can't get from a balanced vegan diet is B12.

PREDOMINANT said:

well, at least the gingko will help me remember how i looked before my teeth fell out. or should i just get a gingko tree/plant/shrub/whatever and graze the leaves like a giraffe before the tablets corrode my brain?

IrresistibleB1tch said:

thats not so bad then...just how balanced does that diet have to be though?

What's B12 in, is it important?

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Funny you should mention this... one of my best friends has just been diagnosed as a (something ) anaemic. And she was a vegetarian for years.

Sorry, I forget the exact title but, basically, she now has to take B12 supplements/injections.
[Edited 9/27/06 6:23am]

susannah said:

it's not hard to balance your diet as a vegan. there are plenty of plant proteins (without any of the cholesterol, antibiotics and growth hormones found in meat). the book i mentioned above goes into great detail of how to put the diet together.

and B12 is important, so supplementation is recommended.

onenitealone said:

but being anemic means she has an iron deficiency, right?

i do worry about people, with good intentions, stop eating meat, but not finding good sources of nutrition to replace the nutrients. i hope your friend feels better soon.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Well... that's what I thought.

I told her to eat more meat (she's not vegetarian now, obviously ) and drink Guinness but, apparently, it's a type of anaemia that means she has a B12 deficiency.

Thanks, though. She's feeling much better already.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

cool

I don't think Im sold though, but I don't eat that much meat anyway. I have a friend who will be the first to admit she is a complete carnivore - she sees no point in eating a meal if theres no meat in it! Her familys carribbean, I think its a cultural thing, but where I'll eat a baked potato and cheese and salad quite happily for days on end, she would rather have plain meat on its own

I dont think i could ever do proper vegetarian let alone vegan (like cheese too much), but I'll certainly never be like her! I can do without meat...

meh, anyway...

susannah said:

~ stuffs meat and potato pasty down throat ~




Sorry, love - I'm just teasing.

Anx said:

You lied, you are a cynical sarcastic bastard
(If you will permit me to insult you in jest, If not I will retract)

Neurodegeneration is more likely to be caused by aspartame. And Ginkgo stimulates nervous tissue - so on ballance you might be ok.

Actually, ginkgo is one of researched remedies that have been shown to have beneficial effects, along with garlic.

Oh, ginkgo is a root, so giraffes are unlikely to eat it!

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I take iron tablets (dammit i forgot yesterday and today) because I've come close to anaemia in the past. But it has more to do with being a girl than my diet. I can feel it too, when I need more iron. Obviously I dont eat enough steaks after all eh?!

susannah said:

that's fine - food is such a personal thing, everybody should do what they think is best.
[Edited 9/27/06 6:31am]

onenitealone said:

Hey - you know what I had for lunch yesterday! And there was sausage and mashg waiting for me when I got home! My Ma's the business

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Yeah I guess youre right, but I must admit I believe in the argument for vegetarianism, as far as the animals we are, and what we can digest. theres a lot to be said for that.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Can't you get some from fungus?

I know that animal faeces is also a very high source, but I don't know ANY vegans who are that dedicated

PREDOMINANT said:

well, i don't think animal feces qualify as vegan, as tempting as it sounds...

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Well technically it is waste, and has never been a part of or been ivolved in any of the animals metabolism. I think you might be alsright y'know! Urine is definately out, but cow pat and yam fritters could be on the menu!

PREDOMINANT said:

like an ostrich, then?