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PrintableWhateva said: susannah said: Hey - I covered all bases didnt I?!  You sure did, totaly utterly 
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endorphin74 said: Anx said: ...
i can't tell you how much it pisses me off when i tell someone i'm a veggie and they're all "oh, so am i! except for chicken and fish."  that about pushes me over the frigging edge.what adds salt to the wound is when i try to, as politely as possible, define for that person what a vegetarian is and is not, and then they think i'm judging them by saying they're not a vegetarian. i mean, call yourself what you want - fine, you're the silver-skinned mouse princess of the fourth dimension, we're all happy for you - but don't be upset when someone who knows from fourth dimensional rodent royalty calls question to your sense of self-definition.  | |
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Anx said: endorphin74 said: that about pushes me over the frigging edge.what adds salt to the wound is when i try to, as politely as possible, define for that person what a vegetarian is and is not, and then they think i'm judging them by saying they're not a vegetarian. i mean, call yourself what you want - fine, you're the silver-skinned mouse princess of the fourth dimension, we're all happy for you - but don't be upset when someone who knows from fourth dimensional rodent royalty calls question to your sense of self-definition.
yeah, when I first started at my job, I worked with one of those "vegetarians." Some days I would want to KILL her. We'd got out to eat and she'd be all "ohhh, I hate buffets cos it's so hard to figure out what has meat in at." And I'd be all "oh, I found a server and that red sauce has a meat base" and she'd be all "oooh i'm gonna eat all the meatie red sauce. it's so HARD to be a vegetarian" 
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endorphin74 said: Anx said: what adds salt to the wound is when i try to, as politely as possible, define for that person what a vegetarian is and is not, and then they think i'm judging them by saying they're not a vegetarian. i mean, call yourself what you want - fine, you're the silver-skinned mouse princess of the fourth dimension, we're all happy for you - but don't be upset when someone who knows from fourth dimensional rodent royalty calls question to your sense of self-definition.
yeah, when I first started at my job, I worked with one of those "vegetarians." Some days I would want to KILL her. We'd got out to eat and she'd be all "ohhh, I hate buffets cos it's so hard to figure out what has meat in at." And I'd be all "oh, I found a server and that red sauce has a meat base" and she'd be all "oooh i'm gonna eat all the meatie red sauce. it's so HARD to be a vegetarian"
to avoid that in the future i talk a lot about that girl People know not to do that with me now 
Wait - she found out the one dish that had meat in it and went straight for that one?  | |
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endorphin74 said: Anx said: what adds salt to the wound is when i try to, as politely as possible, define for that person what a vegetarian is and is not, and then they think i'm judging them by saying they're not a vegetarian. i mean, call yourself what you want - fine, you're the silver-skinned mouse princess of the fourth dimension, we're all happy for you - but don't be upset when someone who knows from fourth dimensional rodent royalty calls question to your sense of self-definition.
yeah, when I first started at my job, I worked with one of those "vegetarians." Some days I would want to KILL her. We'd got out to eat and she'd be all "ohhh, I hate buffets cos it's so hard to figure out what has meat in at." And I'd be all "oh, I found a server and that red sauce has a meat base" and she'd be all "oooh i'm gonna eat all the meatie red sauce. it's so HARD to be a vegetarian"
to avoid that in the future i talk a lot about that girl People know not to do that with me now i don't understand what's so important to some people about attaching themselves to the label "vegetarian" when they have no intention of being one. do they think it'll give them a tax break or get 'em laid or something? i got some harsh news for 'em... | |
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Anx said: endorphin74 said:
yeah, when I first started at my job, I worked with one of those "vegetarians." Some days I would want to KILL her. We'd got out to eat and she'd be all "ohhh, I hate buffets cos it's so hard to figure out what has meat in at." And I'd be all "oh, I found a server and that red sauce has a meat base" and she'd be all "oooh i'm gonna eat all the meatie red sauce. it's so HARD to be a vegetarian"
to avoid that in the future i talk a lot about that girl People know not to do that with me now i don't understand what's so important to some people about attaching themselves to the label "vegetarian" when they have no intention of being one. do they think it'll give them a tax break or get 'em laid or something? i got some harsh news for 'em... When its necessary, I ususally say I'm 'mostly veggie'. So's people don't get offended when I don't try their shrimp in hot sauce or whatever. (  )
I think its just easier than saying, 'I really don't like meat, but I crave it on occasion if it's prepared just right and I won't turn it down if served to me at someone's house, but generally I prefer meat free and I don't cook meat in my own home as I don't really like the taste anymore even and I'm trying my best cause I don't want to support those industries, but I just can't make that total committment yet.'  |
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CarrieMpls said: Anx said: i don't understand what's so important to some people about attaching themselves to the label "vegetarian" when they have no intention of being one. do they think it'll give them a tax break or get 'em laid or something? i got some harsh news for 'em... When its necessary, I ususally say I'm 'mostly veggie'. So's people don't get offended when I don't try their shrimp in hot sauce or whatever. ( )
I think its just easier than saying, 'I really don't like meat, but I crave it on occasion if it's prepared just right and I won't turn it down if served to me at someone's house, but generally I prefer meat free and I don't cook meat in my own home as I don't really like the taste anymore even and I'm trying my best cause I don't want to support those industries, but I just can't make that total committment yet.' i'm sure you could make a really cute anagram out of all that if you just got out some scrabble tiles and got creative. meanwhile, "veggie-ish" works. "veggie-esque?" "quasi-vegetarian", "pseudo-vegetarian", or if you just don't even know what you eat, "crypto-vegetarian"? [Edited 9/26/06 7:36am] | |
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Whateva said: missmad said: i started a thread a while ago bout becoming very interested in becoming a vegetarian. I ate just veges and no/very little meat/chicken for a while, lots of tea, and green tea and I felt great!
when i eat meat/chicken etc I find i become tired and when i have my green tea or normal tea and veges etc, eliminating meat, i am somewhat more alive and for me, confidence. ordered the vege starter pack from petaeats.com who know if i will get it as im in australia love M I'm allergic to raw vegetables, fruit and nuts  Any suggestions? | |
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Whateva said: Whateva said: I'm allergic to raw vegetables, fruit and nuts Any suggestions? Cook them!  |
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Whateva said: Whateva said: I'm allergic to raw vegetables, fruit and nuts Any suggestions? Are you serious? How is that possible?!  | |
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Anx said: Rhondab said: In my search for meals that were more veggie, I saw a few sites that talked about having a "flexatarian" lifestyle. i wish more people used words like 'flexatarian' or 'vegequarian' or just 'i don't eat a lot of meat but i'm not a vegetarian'.
i can't tell you how much it pisses me off when i tell someone i'm a veggie and they're all "oh, so am i! except for chicken and fish." yeah...I like flexatarian because it describes what I'm doing now. | |
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Rhondab said: Anx said: i wish more people used words like 'flexatarian' or 'vegequarian' or just 'i don't eat a lot of meat but i'm not a vegetarian'.
i can't tell you how much it pisses me off when i tell someone i'm a veggie and they're all "oh, so am i! except for chicken and fish." yeah...I like flexatarian because it describes what I'm doing now.same here. over the past few years i've eaten less meat than i did when i was growing up and look more into meat-free options. | |
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mrdespues said: missmad said: thanks babe No worries. Just in my own experience, I have known quite a few people who've tried Veganism and I have often felt like they need an "Out To Lunch" sign hanging from their forehead permanently.
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Anx said: endorphin74 said:
yeah, when I first started at my job, I worked with one of those "vegetarians." Some days I would want to KILL her. We'd got out to eat and she'd be all "ohhh, I hate buffets cos it's so hard to figure out what has meat in at." And I'd be all "oh, I found a server and that red sauce has a meat base" and she'd be all "oooh i'm gonna eat all the meatie red sauce. it's so HARD to be a vegetarian"
to avoid that in the future i talk a lot about that girl People know not to do that with me now i don't understand what's so important to some people about attaching themselves to the label "vegetarian" when they have no intention of being one. do they think it'll give them a tax break or get 'em laid or something? i got some harsh news for 'em...
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susannah said: HereToRockYourWorld said: So, yeah, try it -- gradually, preferably -- and see how you feel. Listen to your body. I feel great on a vegan diet, and some people don't, and you won't know until you try it. If it doesn't go well, consider adding fish/seafood back into your diet -- it's the healthiest and least ethically horrendous animal product.
Why is fish less ethically horrendous?  I know nothing...Fish are less sophisticated, neurologically, and it's harder to raise them in a way that's miserable for them. If they have water and food, they're basically ok. A pig needs a lot more than air and food to have a decent experience of life. If you get wild, rather than farmed, fish, the fish have a normal life until they're caught (an unpleasant experience, to be sure), and as long as they and nearby critters on the food chain are not endangered, the environmental impact is minimal. Not nonexistant, but minimal. I don't need fish to be healthy, so I prefer to avoid even that minimal ethical/ecological impact. But for people who need some animal in their diet, I think that fish is a much more benign choice than, say, eggs. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: susannah said: Why is fish less ethically horrendous? I know nothing...Fish are less sophisticated, neurologically, and it's harder to raise them in a way that's miserable for them. If they have water and food, they're basically ok. A pig needs a lot more than air and food to have a decent experience of life. If you get wild, rather than farmed, fish, the fish have a normal life until they're caught (an unpleasant experience, to be sure), and as long as they and nearby critters on the food chain are not endangered, the environmental impact is minimal. Not nonexistant, but minimal. I don't need fish to be healthy, so I prefer to avoid even that minimal ethical/ecological impact. But for people who need some animal in their diet, I think that fish is a much more benign choice than, say, eggs. | |
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Anx said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Fish are less sophisticated, neurologically, and it's harder to raise them in a way that's miserable for them. If they have water and food, they're basically ok. A pig needs a lot more than air and food to have a decent experience of life. If you get wild, rather than farmed, fish, the fish have a normal life until they're caught (an unpleasant experience, to be sure), and as long as they and nearby critters on the food chain are not endangered, the environmental impact is minimal. Not nonexistant, but minimal. I don't need fish to be healthy, so I prefer to avoid even that minimal ethical/ecological impact. But for people who need some animal in their diet, I think that fish is a much more benign choice than, say, eggs. What?
Oh, that's right, you're a veal-raising chicken-torturer, I forgot. Sorry.
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Anx said: What?
Oh, that's right, you're a veal-raising chicken-torturer, I forgot. Sorry.
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Anx said: What?
Oh, that's right, you're a veal-raising chicken-torturer, I forgot. Sorry.
correct. and i raise the veal specifically for use in chicken torture. boy, those chickies sure hate having baby calf waved in their faces! ha ha ha ha ha! | |
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Anx said: HereToRockYourWorld said: What?
Oh, that's right, you're a veal-raising chicken-torturer, I forgot. Sorry.
correct. and i raise the veal specifically for use in chicken torture. boy, those chickies sure hate having baby calf waved in their faces! ha ha ha ha ha! Clever! 
"I may have blowout diarrhea my entire life, but at least I don't have to worry about having my wings pinned to my sides by my cagemates!   "
Makes me wish I still had my animation software. Could be good times. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Anx said: i can't tell you how much it pisses me off when i tell someone i'm a veggie and they're all "oh, so am i! except for chicken and fish." I suppose that would make them a pesco-pollo-vegatarian, it's a good place for them to start - don't be too harsh ~When you understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours~ | |
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MuaPetahl said: Anx said: i can't tell you how much it pisses me off when i tell someone i'm a veggie and they're all "oh, so am i! except for chicken and fish." I suppose that would make them a pesco-pollo-vegatarian, it's a good place for them to start - don't be too harsh ok, i won't be TOO harsh...but it would be like saying you're a non-childbearing pregnant person. by virtue of one definition, you can't be the other. see, to me this is very interesting, because from my standpoint, it's less of a moral argument than a semantic argument. and it's not even a semantic argument. it's a matter of people wanting to have that word "vegetarian" tacked on, and i don't understand the appeal if you're not going to embrace what the word means. i mean, i could call myself a millionaire rock star sex god idol deity, and i'm sure it would make me feel good, but it ain't gonna pay my bills or get me the good lovin', or even tickets to the VMAs (eww). it doesn't bother me so much what people eat - it's how people miscategorize themselves. it's totally a pet peeve of mine. | |
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susannah said: Total and utter omnivore here
I just think its interesting how the org and the people on it seem to keep shifting the black and white lines we've all created or lived by. If its not sexuality, its diet. I for one am starting to see nothing as black and white, everyone is a bit of everything and never 100% one way 
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wow lots of responeses ill read em when i get home from work 2day
i am not a fan of taking meds or supplements or things like that love just eating right and knowing what im putting in my body but thanks Anx! love yas M | |
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endorphin74 said: Anx said: what adds salt to the wound is when i try to, as politely as possible, define for that person what a vegetarian is and is not, and then they think i'm judging them by saying they're not a vegetarian. i mean, call yourself what you want - fine, you're the silver-skinned mouse princess of the fourth dimension, we're all happy for you - but don't be upset when someone who knows from fourth dimensional rodent royalty calls question to your sense of self-definition.
yeah, when I first started at my job, I worked with one of those "vegetarians." Some days I would want to KILL her. We'd got out to eat and she'd be all "ohhh, I hate buffets cos it's so hard to figure out what has meat in at." And I'd be all "oh, I found a server and that red sauce has a meat base" and she'd be all "oooh i'm gonna eat all the meatie red sauce. it's so HARD to be a vegetarian"
to avoid that in the future i talk a lot about that girl People know not to do that with me now Subway sandwich makers are always messing me about that way too. I absolutely go mad at them in the shop! "..My work is personal, I'm a working person, I put in work, I work with purpose.." | |
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missmad said: wow lots of responeses ill read em when i get home from work 2day
i am not a fan of taking meds or supplements or things like that love just eating right and knowing what im putting in my body but thanks Anx! love yas M here's the best book i've found on the topic:  | |
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thanks 4 the book hun. [Edited 9/26/06 20:56pm] | |
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CarrieMpls said: Whateva said: Any suggestions? Cook them! Thanks, hehe, already do that (although it doesn't help with the nuts) | |
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susannah said: Whateva said: Any suggestions? Are you serious? How is that possible?! It has something to do with dust mite and pollen allergies. But I do realize eating meat is not all that healthy. I'm a bit bored with not eating fruits though, I miss my apple  | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: susannah said: Why is fish less ethically horrendous? I know nothing...Fish are less sophisticated, neurologically, and it's harder to raise them in a way that's miserable for them. If they have water and food, they're basically ok. A pig needs a lot more than air and food to have a decent experience of life. If you get wild, rather than farmed, fish, the fish have a normal life until they're caught (an unpleasant experience, to be sure), and as long as they and nearby critters on the food chain are not endangered, the environmental impact is minimal. Not nonexistant, but minimal. I don't need fish to be healthy, so I prefer to avoid even that minimal ethical/ecological impact. But for people who need some animal in their diet, I think that fish is a much more benign choice than, say, eggs. Huh thanks!
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