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PrintableHereToRockYourWorld said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I love thanksgiving dinner!! Why are you trying to guilt me?  I love it too. I can't wait for my Tofurky.    | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: btw, this discussion is interesting, but i'd like to also hear from people who have watched the undercover video...
While the video is horrific, I guess most people disassociate what they've seen from what they buy. One of the problems with undercover videos like this is that it takes great courage and personal risk to produce, and so they're quite rare. And because they're rare, people assume them to be worst case scenarios. If they put some of those images on the packaging, few would buy. I expect most would just choose another brand and assume that their turkey was treated better. But the mechanics of the poultry industry are horrific. It's for this reason that I stop myself buying chicken (even free-range). I guess I'll stop buying turkey too. |
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fruitsalad said: IrresistibleB1tch said: btw, this discussion is interesting, but i'd like to also hear from people who have watched the undercover video...
While the video is horrific, I guess most people disassociate what they've seen from what they buy. One of the problems with undercover videos like this is that it takes great courage and personal risk to produce, and so they're quite rare. And because they're rare, people assume them to be worst case scenarios. If they put some of those images on the packaging, few would buy. I expect most would just choose another brand and assume that their turkey was treated better. But the mechanics of the poultry industry are horrific. It's for this reason that I stop myself buying chicken (even free-range). I guess I'll stop buying turkey too. thank you for bothering to watch.  | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: thank you for bothering to watch.
Well someone risked a lot going undercover, so how could I not watch it to the end, even though it's uncomfortable viewing. Coincidentally, I watched after an (organic) turkey dinner.   |
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fruitsalad said: IrresistibleB1tch said: thank you for bothering to watch.
Well someone risked a lot going undercover, so how could I not watch it to the end, even though it's uncomfortable viewing. Coincidentally, I watched after an (organic) turkey dinner. cool.
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will watch it when i get home [Edited 9/25/06 23:07pm] | |
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I assume Butterball is big brand of turkey in the US?
I have to agree with a few of the other posts IB, and I am sure we have been here before on another thread. I found the video sensationalises the harm, presenting the "gory" image. I agree with the prevention of cruelty to animals but not in the way it is often portrayed by groups like PeTA. A factual documentary, without the horroresque graphics would be better IMHO and probably more effective. Then the final message saying that if just one person stops eating birds after watching this..... This angers non vegetarians, "don't tell me what to do hippy" attitude, they rush out and buy a turkey. Buy fresh, buy farm reared, buy local, buy organic, buy free range - just don't buy Butterball. Start small, get people on side to bring mass change otherwise you will always be an annoying hippy terror group. I also realise that you need to "go big" to get people to look, I suppose it's a difficult balance. The original thread about roaches, makes PeTA look ridiculous, make a stand, issue an objection but keep things in perspective otherwise credibility goes out the window.  Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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PREDOMINANT said: I assume Butterball is big brand of turkey in the US?
I have to agree with a few of the other posts IB, and I am sure we have been here before on another thread. I found the video sensationalises the harm, presenting the "gory" image. I agree with the prevention of cruelty to animals but not in the way it is often portrayed by groups like PeTA. A factual documentary, without the horroresque graphics would be better IMHO and probably more effective. Then the final message saying that if just one person stops eating birds after watching this..... This angers non vegetarians, "don't tell me what to do hippy" attitude, they rush out and buy a turkey. Buy fresh, buy farm reared, buy local, buy organic, buy free range - just don't buy Butterball. Start small, get people on side to bring mass change otherwise you will always be an annoying hippy terror group. I also realise that you need to "go big" to get people to look, I suppose it's a difficult balance. The original thread about roaches, makes PeTA look ridiculous, make a stand, issue an objection but keep things in perspective otherwise credibility goes out the window. well said 
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Natisse said: PREDOMINANT said: I assume Butterball is big brand of turkey in the US?
I have to agree with a few of the other posts IB, and I am sure we have been here before on another thread. I found the video sensationalises the harm, presenting the "gory" image. I agree with the prevention of cruelty to animals but not in the way it is often portrayed by groups like PeTA. A factual documentary, without the horroresque graphics would be better IMHO and probably more effective. Then the final message saying that if just one person stops eating birds after watching this..... This angers non vegetarians, "don't tell me what to do hippy" attitude, they rush out and buy a turkey. Buy fresh, buy farm reared, buy local, buy organic, buy free range - just don't buy Butterball. Start small, get people on side to bring mass change otherwise you will always be an annoying hippy terror group. I also realise that you need to "go big" to get people to look, I suppose it's a difficult balance. The original thread about roaches, makes PeTA look ridiculous, make a stand, issue an objection but keep things in perspective otherwise credibility goes out the window. well said
...I'm sorry Martina I just can't bring myself to watch the video You should watch it. Then next time you see the £2 difference on the price of a farm reared chicken you mind not mind paying the extra. I still remember the video of live racoons being skinned; I e-mail it to anyone who says there is nothing wrong with wearing fur. Haunting, but without the graphics! Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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PREDOMINANT said: Natisse said: well said
...I'm sorry Martina I just can't bring myself to watch the video You should watch it. Then next time you see the £2 difference on the price of a farm reared chicken you mind not mind paying the extra. I still remember the video of live racoons being skinned; I e-mail it to anyone who says there is nothing wrong with wearing fur. Haunting, but without the graphics! I don't mind paying the extra now totally... but I still can't bring myself to watch it at least not here at work now anyway
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As usual I agree with everything Anx said
I think some times Peta goes a bit over board to get their point across and I think it hurts them in the long run. | |
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fair enough - i can see where some people would view PeTA as over the top.
i wished they were as good at getting coverage of their victories as they are of their protests. i think people might view them differently. there's room for all sorts of groups within animal rights and animal welfare. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: fair enough - i can see where some people would view PeTA as over the top.
i wished they were as good at getting coverage of their victories as they are of their protests. i think people might view them differently. there's room for all sorts of groups within animal rights and animal welfare. 
I agree that the press play a large part in the perceved image of groups like PeTA. I can't remember ever hearing about a PeTA sucess story, edumacate us IB  Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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PREDOMINANT said: IrresistibleB1tch said: fair enough - i can see where some people would view PeTA as over the top.
i wished they were as good at getting coverage of their victories as they are of their protests. i think people might view them differently. there's room for all sorts of groups within animal rights and animal welfare.
I agree that the press play a large part in the perceved image of groups like PeTA. I can't remember ever hearing about a PeTA sucess story, edumacate us IB thanks for giving me the opportunity! 
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IrresistibleB1tch said: fair enough - i can see where some people would view PeTA as over the top.
i wished they were as good at getting coverage of their victories as they are of their protests. i think people might view them differently. there's room for all sorts of groups within animal rights and animal welfare. I promise I will watch that video later
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IrresistibleB1tch said: PREDOMINANT said:
I agree that the press play a large part in the perceved image of groups like PeTA. I can't remember ever hearing about a PeTA sucess story, edumacate us IB thanks for giving me the opportunity!
http://www.peta.org/about/victories.asp Thanks IB, and Congratulations! Some very worthwhile (and often not crazy at all) stuff and after a brief chat with Sir Roger I suppose I won't be eating fois gras anymore either 
I love fois gras, so I stop eating it not because I think everybody should or because it "it's a disease not a delicacy" but because I couldn't live with myself knowing what I now know. I suppose I already knew it, I just didn't really think about it before. Chalk up another victory for PeTA  . Fois gras is off my menu[Edited 9/26/06 5:51am] Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard! | |
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PREDOMINANT said: IrresistibleB1tch said: Thanks IB, and Congratulations! Some very worthwhile (and often not crazy at all) stuff and after a brief chat with Sir Roger I suppose I won't be eating fois gras anymore either
I love fois gras, so I stop eating it not because I think everybody should or because it "it's a disease not a delicacy" but because I couldn't live with myself knowing what I now know. I suppose I already knew it, I just didn't really think about it before. Chalk up another victory for PeTA . Fois gras is off my menu
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Natisse said: IrresistibleB1tch said: fair enough - i can see where some people would view PeTA as over the top.
i wished they were as good at getting coverage of their victories as they are of their protests. i think people might view them differently. there's room for all sorts of groups within animal rights and animal welfare. I promise I will watch that video later
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IrresistibleB1tch said: the humane society has little popular impact, but i'm glad that there are some groups doing legislative work, some doing welfare and rescue work, [b]and some putting (voluntarily) naked women out on the street to get attention. [/b]Which streets are these, and in what cities can they be found?  | |
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Anx said: IrresistibleB1tch said: i'm not so sure about that. while they may have gotten some bad press, their work has put a lot of corporations under pressure, and has resulted in many changes over the years. i would appreciate it if PETA didn't use polarizing tactics in their campaigns. instead of saying "meat is for dummies" or "fur is dead", use that visibility to offer alternatives - hold events where people are invited to try veggie meals and show the TONS of dishes that people already eat every day that don't include meat. show the POSITIVES of an ethical lifestyle instead of bashing people over the head with the negatives...not that we should ignore the realities of something like factory farming, but there's a user-friendly side to making cruelty-free choices and i think PETA would rather point fingers than invite people into a widening circle. and that's sad to me. The only reason I gave up mammals from my diet a few years ago was because of awareness of the cruelty aspect. It had to disturb me in a violent, emotional way before I actually felt better about not having beef or pork. And I was raised by vegetarians and had tons of frineds that were as well. But it took a personal series of disturbances to my mind to actually feel any need to give it up. A great vegetarian dish would only make me expand my diet, not edit it! My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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TMPletz said: IrresistibleB1tch said: the humane society has little popular impact, but i'm glad that there are some groups doing legislative work, some doing welfare and rescue work, [b]and some putting (voluntarily) naked women out on the street to get attention. [/b]Which streets are these, and in what cities can they be found? hang out with me, and you'll find out! | |
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ufoclub said: Anx said: i would appreciate it if PETA didn't use polarizing tactics in their campaigns. instead of saying "meat is for dummies" or "fur is dead", use that visibility to offer alternatives - hold events where people are invited to try veggie meals and show the TONS of dishes that people already eat every day that don't include meat. show the POSITIVES of an ethical lifestyle instead of bashing people over the head with the negatives...not that we should ignore the realities of something like factory farming, but there's a user-friendly side to making cruelty-free choices and i think PETA would rather point fingers than invite people into a widening circle. and that's sad to me. The only reason I gave up mammals from my diet a few years ago was because of awareness of the cruelty aspect. It had to disturb me in a violent, emotional way before I actually felt better about not having beef or pork. And I was raised by vegetarians and had tons of frineds that were as well. But it took a personal series of disturbances to my mind to actually feel any need to give it up. A great vegetarian dish would only make me expand my diet, not edit it! awesome. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: TMPletz said: Which streets are these, and in what cities can they be found? hang out with me, and you'll find out! | |
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