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PrintableLammastide said: jerseykrs said: Spats is there!
He's kinda scary. 
...But he probably knows where all the fun is. He knows where the babes are. | |
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I visit Toronto quite often, actually I was supposed to be there today but my plans changed.
I once lived near Orillia Ont. for a year, I go back there when I get the chance. Toronto has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, it's world class  "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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shellyevon said: Toronto has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of
 "Nothing to be ashamed of"? I know you intended this as a compliment, but that's like saying "Chicago's quite okay, in its own little way". | |
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Thank you Ace.
I agree on some of what you said. Obviously, we are still cleaner, less crime-riddent and better at managing social issues than most American cities but we (and many other governments) embraced some neo=conservative trends such as cutting welfare benefits, tightening welfare and UI rules drastically and cutting various programs. Mike Harris' Conservatives did a good deal of that. Now we have Tony Bates- dead ringer Dalton McGuinty, a liberal, as Premier, as well as a NDP mayor. The city has vitality, but it could be much better if the three levels of government actually did something together. | |
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Aerogram said: but we (and many other governments) embraced some neo=conservative trends such as cutting welfare benefits, tightening welfare and UI rules drastically and cutting various programs. Mike Harris' Conservatives did a good deal of that.
But Toronto didn't vote Harris in - the support that put him in power came from '905' country. | |
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From bbc.co.uk:
Toronto has been referred to as New York with less violence and cleaner streets or, as Peter Ustinov put it in 1987, "New York run by the Swiss". It does have many similarities, taking 3rd place as the largest English speaking live theatre centre in the world.
It's also hot on the heels of both New York and Los Angeles in film production, with around 40 films being shot every day. | |
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Ace said: From bbc.co.uk:
Toronto has been referred to as New York with less violence and cleaner streets or, as Peter Ustinov put it in 1987, "New York run by the Swiss". It does have many similarities, taking 3rd place as the largest English speaking live theatre centre in the world.
It's also hot on the heels of both New York and Los Angeles in film production, with around 40 films being shot every day. Not to mention it has THE hottest film festival this side of Cannes.  | |
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heartbeatocean said: Ace said: From bbc.co.uk:
Not to mention it has THE hottest film festival this side of Cannes. Which MY little butt is definnitely gonna check out! I've arrived just in time!  Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Aerogram said: Welcome to Hogtown, "T.O.", "la Ville Reine" ("Queen City").
Toronto is a model city compared to most North American metropolis(es?). Although it's not as clean as it used to be and familiar urban problems have been on the rise, it is by and large a big city on a human scale, with absolutely world-class values of diversity, tolerance and openness. Here, all the various groups get along because no one really dominates. Over half the population was born elsewhere, often in another country. From an urbanism POV, the city has the distinction of having kept a very diverse downtown that is not overwhelmed by any one factor. One of the richest neighborhoods is smack against one of the poorest and there's a lot of middle class gentility in between. Aesthetically, "T.O." could afford to be more audacious. There are a number of big projects such as the AGO and the ROM, but overall the city has lacked vision and ambition for a good 15 years now. It has partially regained some of its vitality after many years of crushing pressure caused by the downloading of provincial responsibilities to the municipal level and an amalgamation that failed to deliver any efficiencies. Personally, I blame the usual economic factors but also the rise of US-style conservatism, which lead us to treat some of our poorest citizens as harshly as they are treated in the US. As a result, the homeless population grew rapidly while social services, mass transit and the likes took a huge hit. I reside in the gayborhood (Church Street) and work downtown, so I never see much of the city. I couldn't tell you jack about the city north of Rosedale. Avenue Road is very close (two blocks away). So, Bienvenue/Welcome! "Familiar urban problems" = Gangs and Shootings. | |
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Ace said: Aerogram said: Welcome to Hogtown, "T.O.", "la Ville Reine" ("Queen City").
Toronto is a model city compared to most North American metropolis(es?). Although it's not as clean as it used to be and familiar urban problems have been on the rise, it is by and large a big city on a human scale, with absolutely world-class values of diversity, tolerance and openness. Here, all the various groups get along because no one really dominates. Over half the population was born elsewhere, often in another country. From an urbanism POV, the city has the distinction of having kept a very diverse downtown that is not overwhelmed by any one factor. One of the richest neighborhoods is smack against one of the poorest and there's a lot of middle class gentility in between. Aesthetically, "T.O." could afford to be more audacious. There are a number of big projects such as the AGO and the ROM, but overall the city has lacked vision and ambition for a good 15 years now. It has partially regained some of its vitality after many years of crushing pressure caused by the downloading of provincial responsibilities to the municipal level and an amalgamation that failed to deliver any efficiencies. Personally, I blame the usual economic factors but also the rise of US-style conservatism, which lead us to treat some of our poorest citizens as harshly as they are treated in the US. As a result, the homeless population grew rapidly while social services, mass transit and the likes took a huge hit. I reside in the gayborhood (Church Street) and work downtown, so I never see much of the city. I couldn't tell you jack about the city north of Rosedale. Avenue Road is very close (two blocks away). So, Bienvenue/Welcome!  Nice work, Aerogram (although I'll take issue with a few points):
Again, we do much better on these issues than any American city of comparable size. And would you really say that "US-style conservatism" is on the rise in a city that elected David Miller?? ...Oh - and Spats? I'll save you the trouble: Spats will say: It's boring here. There are no hot chicks like Britney Spears. The line "It's still cleaner than most american cities" has got to go. The city is getting dirtier and dirtier. And don't get me started on the shootings. And as you mentioned, the city is boring and there is not many hot women. | |
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Ace said: shellyevon said: Toronto has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of
"Nothing to be ashamed of"? I know you intended this as a compliment, but that's like saying "Chicago's quite okay, in its own little way". Sorry Ace, it was meant as a reply to Spats, I've traveled a lot and Toronto is second only to London on my personal favorites list. My only complaint would be that it's too polite .I like a little New York crassness.
Oh and Chicago is quite okay  "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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shellyevon said: Ace said: "Nothing to be ashamed of"? I know you intended this as a compliment, but that's like saying "Chicago's quite okay, in its own little way". Sorry Ace, it was meant as a reply to Spats, I've traveled a lot and Toronto is second only to London on my personal favorites list. My only complaint would be that it's too polite .I like a little New York crassness.
Oh, go to hell! 
...That any better? Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Lammastide said: shellyevon said: Sorry Ace, it was meant as a reply to Spats, I've traveled a lot and Toronto is second only to London on my personal favorites list. My only complaint would be that it's too polite .I like a little New York crassness.
Oh, go to hell!
...That any better?  Makes me feel right at home.  "Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss
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Ace said: Aerogram said: but we (and many other governments) embraced some neo=conservative trends such as cutting welfare benefits, tightening welfare and UI rules drastically and cutting various programs. Mike Harris' Conservatives did a good deal of that.
But Toronto didn't vote Harris in - the support that put him in power came from '905' country. Did I accidentally say Toronto voted Tory? My mistake. I meant to acknowledge the influence of "US style" policies. Mike Harris received extensive political training in the US, with the same spin doctors as Newt Ginrich. Torontonians didn't elect him, but he sure left his mark on our fair city. | |
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