minneapolisgenius said:

Mwah!

brigitte bardot? no, honey:



catherine deneuve

ThreadBare said:

i'm going to play devil's advocate here a little bit - i've heard of people in certain european/scandanavian countries expressing indignation over muslim immigrants, because of what they consider to be a very real threat of having their communities turned into fundamentalist/religious environments. i don't know if this is xenophobic paranoia or if there actually is some kind of cultural strong-arming going on (it's easy for me to apply backwoods american cultural claustrophobia to the situation, but i'm not there to test the comparison), but from stories friends have told me, i do know that at the very least, bardot is not alone in her concerns.

don't flame me on that - i'm just saying i wonder if we know the whole story on that...my spidey-sense registers one-sided reporting, that's all.

also, i don't think that her animal rights activism should be thrown on the pyre of her shortcomings. i'm tired of people saying "what about the humans?" well, quit wasting your time on a prince web site and go help some humans, then! at least she was passionate about something and followed through with it. i think we should all be compassionate toward ALL living things, as much as we are able, but if someone feels a calling to work for a specific portion of those living things, that should not be considered a fault, no matter how they can be judged otherwise.

okay, with all that off my chest, i also wanna say that i've heard brigitte bardot has never been one of the most stable individuals in the world. from all i've read over the years (which isn't much, but i do find her kinda fascinating), she's the perfect example of the blonde bombshell who's mad as a hatter. we might as well be dissecting the ethical make-up of pamela anderson, who actually is probably THE BUDDHA compared to bardot.

just a little sympathy for the devil, that's all.

Anx said:

I wanna look that good when I'm older!

minneapolisgenius said:

i don't know if it's natural or plastic, but i don't really care. she looks freakin' phenomenal for any age.

Anx said:

i enjoyed reading your personal perspective







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Mach said:

thank you - i guess what i'm trying to say is, while i don't necessarily agree or condone or support a lot of her views, i don't necessarily think she has a malicious or hateful point of view. ill-conceived? probably. delusional? maybe. but i get the impression that she thinks she's doing the right thing, and that she's being true to her beliefs, even if her beliefs are a little bit on the mentally fragile side. i just find it easier to feel sad for her than to demonize her.

Anx said:

I agree

Anx said:

Thank you for that Anx. I wanted to post something similar, but you know, I really don't want to deal with being branded a "racist" on here for understanding that the woman has a point and a right to speak her mind. Plus, most people that have posted on this thread do NOT live in Europe. I do and I really have seen a big change, for better or worse, after living here for just 8 years. It's just an observation and I'm not even from here. I think people are just too afraid to voice their opinions on touchy subjects like this regarding religion, and everything these days has become so PC.

I think Bardot has a right to speak her mind and she obviously has a deep love for her country. I wouldn't dump her in with Hitler's camp just yet for these comments she has made. She obviously isn't suggesting anything that would bring harm to the Muslim community.

I, too, believe she should be able to express her opinions.

I just thought it would be interesting to share what those opinions are and how her beloved France -- the object of her protectiveness -- has received them.

ThreadBare said:

well, if the media is to be trusted as the honest to gosh truth, then the dixie chicks should've been burned at the stake a few years back.

Anx said:

You and I both know, all too well, how sloppy news organizations can be in reporting and presenting information.

Still, I think -- idea-wise -- there's a world of difference between faulting an influx of nonwhite, Muslim people and faulting the invasion of a country on trumped-up intelligence.


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ThreadBare said:

you have good points. i just have to wonder how bardot defended herself in all this.

Anx said:

it appears she repeated her opinions... over and over again...

ThreadBare said:

here's what wikipedia says about her politics:



of course, wikipedia isn't exactly the most viable source either, but it's put together by internet users, so one would hope it's at least a little more well-rounded than the mainstream media. of course, internet users can be a little , so i guess it's a toss-up.

ANYway, she does seem a little off-kilter, doesn't she?

Kilter is but a faint dot in her mind's rearview mirror...

INSATIABLE said:

Me too!

minneapolisgenius said:

So her animal rights activism is her sane side and her racist/homophobic positions could be chalked up to a potential case of lunacy?

Well here are a few folks that are quite openly in "Hitler's Camp".
I was listening to a radio program the other night where the host was discussing a recent newspaper article done in The Gilroy Dispatch on Tim Bishop and Nigel Fovargue both members of the American National Socialist Movement (NSM), the political party of Nazis.
http://www.gilroydispatch...p?c=193063

What initially grabbed my attention was a quote from the story's writer, "What absolutely blind-sided me was that I found myself agreeing with some of the current platforms..."

Then I understood why. It was because they now camouflage their core racist beliefs with other platforms that folks that aren't necessarily racist could go along with.

Universal health care
Living wage
Oppose the war in Iraq
Pro-environment
Alternative fuels

So far so good. Right?
Well that's until you get to what they're really about.

"The party wants the United States to close its borders to everyone but white immigrants. Anyone of color - black, Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern - should immediately be deported back to their country of origin, said Tim and Nigel."

Native Americans - They are a conquered nation, so they should submit to whites.
Jewish People - Should be deported to Israel.

Here is where I think the danger is in trying to accept the good with the bad.
Now you might say, "Nobody would go along with that!"

"Though a colleague managed to find one 20-year-old guy in the area registered as a member of the NSM, my brief talk with him on the phone quickly proved the poor kid had no idea he'd registered as a Nazi. He seemed to think it was some trendy, offbeat party, like the Green party. "

An extreme case? Probably.
Still something to think about.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

ThreadBare said:

Argggg! Note to self read the whole thread before commenting!

theAudience said:

come on now.

that's like saying a mass murder who brushes his teeth three times a day is crazy for his views on oral hygiene. he's still a crazy mass murderer, but you know, hey - god bless him for wanting fresh breath.

Anx said:

Well you said you were playing "devil's advocate", so I figured i'd just agitate the advocate to the extreme.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

FunkMistress said:

Nasty.

Spats said:

she needs to lose the anna paquin rogue bangs and the federal curls. she looks like elly mae clampett through the eyes of salvador dali.

theAudience said:

I'm not sure what that first comment has to do with anything I posted. I have no clue if she's mentally stable. How could I?

And what does this have to do the the NSM in the U.S? It's about Bardot's views on France. Those comments she was incited for were from 5 years ago. I have no idea what her beliefs are these days and if they have or haven't changed. Most likely though, she's probably even more upset since the passage of time has shown that there are many more members of the Muslim community in France than there were in 2001. But I'm just going by those articles that Threadbare posted that were old. Maybe she's learned to accept the change in her country by now, or maybe not.

Spats said:

Figures you'd say that

minneapolisgenius said:

If you notice, my post was a reply to yours and Anx's comments.
So my initial statement went to Anx.

Anyway, I was trying to raise a larger point.
Many people, whether they live in France or the U.S., mask prejudiced or racist feelings under the guise of love of country.

Nothing more than that.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

theAudience said:

I know, that's why I brought up the Hitler reference because if I didn't, I knew someone would. He obviously had a ridiculously deep "love" for his country. But I would never lump her in with someone like him. Not saying YOU were, just saying in general.

minneapolisgenius said:

I was sort of wondering about the free speech aspect of this.

She's an evil,old,wrinkled BITCH with alot of hateful,racist views.Don't you guys dare try to defend her right to spew that bullshit!