Sweeny79 said:

He didn't say "first love", he said "first passion"...there's a difference.

Byron said:

I took first passion to mean first fuck.

Sweeny79 said:

...Well, for all we know he may have meant that..lol

Byron said:

Oh, I'm sure he did!

So back to what I said at the start... It's bullshit.

Sweeny79 said:

Sweeny79 said:

I'm pretty sure he didn't, cuz he was the ultimate romantic...he wouldn't have written about something as common as having sex in that manner...besides, your "First love" is not always your "first fuck"...lol

Byron said:

PLEEEESSSSEEEEE, He might have been romantic but he was a perv...She walks in beauty was written about his 13 year old cousin... he was a smooth talker is what he was.

Sweeny79 said:

Sweeny79 said:

well there goes the romantic side

Don't get me wrong ....he's a great poet...his stuff is very romantic...but I thnk it's somewhat erotic too.

Check it out,read the affairs and scandels bit:


Lord Byron cut a sexual swathe that still astonishes by its sheer brazenness and multiplicity - he once bragged that he had sex with 250 women in Venice over the course of a single year. He was all-inclusive - boys, siblings, women of all classes. Ultimately he was to live abroad to escape the censure of British society, where men could be forgiven for sexual misbehaviour only up to a point, one which Byron far surpassed.....



http://en.wikipedia.org/w...etic_works

Sweeny79 said:

He was indeed a pervert...lol..but his poetry was about the emotional, not the physical...it's not like he said "She has young, tender thighs", yanno...lol

Sweeny79 said:

Again, you're getting his personal life mixed up with the subjects of his poetry...sometimes you write about what you wish you had when what you KNOW you have is warped, empty and unfulfilling...

Byron said:

It's what I said. Ask 9s he's the literary guy,he'll agree with me.

Sweeny79 said:

You're still talking about who he is, not what he wrote about...and that's undeniable. Most can see past who he was to the beauty of what he wrote about...

Byron said:

God damn

I DO see past what he was too what he wrote about.

There is great beauty and great romance in his work, that is undeniable...he was the original romantic, no question about it... so why then in your mind does that prevent his work from also being erotic? Especially since he was such an erotic person to begin with?

Sweeny79 said:

I never said it wasn't erotic...but it's not SOLEY erotic...it's not based solely on the physical (who a woman fucked first...lol)...it tends to connect into something deeper than that. It sounded like you dismissed that aspect of his quote and said "he's a pervert, he just means fuckin'"...lol

Byron said:

I never said it was soley erotic ...it's both...just how relationships are..but...

In the quote you posted "passion" means orgasam.

Sweeny79 said:

And I took "passion" to mean the first experience of everything...physical, emotional, spiritual...all the elements that make up romantic passion as compared to simple lust. A woman's first orgasm is usually achieved while alone anyway...lol

Byron said:

You have to also take into context that the quote comes from Don Juan... an ode to the world's biggest womanizer.

And I agree he means all of it...love,romace, orgasam, the butterflies in the belly.... I'll agree with you there...

But I still think he's talking about deflowering someone.

And as far as girls getting off on their own...I didn't have my first orgasam alone.

Sweeny79 said:

That's why I said "usually"...lol

Here's the quote in context:

Man's love is of man's life a part; it is a woman's whole existence. In her first passion, a woman loves her lover, in all the others all she loves is love.

To me, it shows him concentrating on the emotional, the romantic...so I don't think he's just saying that a woman only loves the first man who gives her an orgasm.
[Edited 8/25/06 2:20am]

Byron said:

I do think he means a woman's first love, but I think he means sex too.

And while Chris Rock might have some bit of truth in his "you ain't the first choice" routine...it's not all true either... Love is so varied..each person you love you love in a different way...so maybe Chris Rock is slightly full of it too...

well, It's 5:30 am AGAIN... Jeez...I better sleep.

((Now they all know what we sound like for hours and hours when we talk ))

Sweeny79 said:

Oh, I do, too... ...but I think he concentrates on how her first true love effects her being, not really her body...I'm guessing that's implied automaticallly without needing to make it his focus (if that makes any sense..lol)...

Sweeny79 said:

Stop editing...lol

And yeah, it's not a 1,000% concrete, blanket truth statement...it's a generalization that is rooted in truth, though...something that happens more than it does not.

And at your last line...lol...it tends to go like that, yep...lol

Byron said:

Like I said...smooth talker... in that line he can make us picture the girl in the physical throws of ...what's that word...oh yeah..passion and feel what that innocent girl is feeling in her heart too...he was a fantastic poet. But he had lots of sex tossed in here and there ...why wouldn't he?....Sex is not much with out romance... and romance is frustrating without sex.

Byron said:

Night hon, luvs ya

Sweeny79 said:

Night, hun...

Sweeny79 said:

nite

Sweeny79 said:

ok Im exhausted reading just a third of all this ...stop debating u two ...lets just agree that he's a romantic pervert

Ocean said:

...lol...I would definitely agree with that...

'Trouble is my middle name but in the end I'm not too bad'

from the song 'Mad about you' by Hooverphonic