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Printablebutterfli25 said: one of my aunts that evacuated before the storm told her son she didn't want to stay there during the hurricane because she didn't want to be sitting up on top of the house like she was when they blew up the levees in 69. My cousin told her that wasn't true and they wouldn't do that.
she's sitting in alabama now saying um hm they did it again. we thought she was just old and deluded, now  I don't know.Ya know I was hearing shit like that from some reports, It's so hard to know what to believe anymore, shit I mean could 9/11 have been avoided? So could this. *********************************************
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righteous1 said: butterfli25 said: one of my aunts that evacuated before the storm told her son she didn't want to stay there during the hurricane because she didn't want to be sitting up on top of the house like she was when they blew up the levees in 69. My cousin told her that wasn't true and they wouldn't do that.
she's sitting in alabama now saying um hm they did it again. we thought she was just old and deluded, now I don't know.Ya know I was hearing shit like that from some reports, It's so hard to know what to believe anymore, shit I mean could 9/11 have been avoided? So could this. How can you compare a man-made attack to a natural disaster? How could the govt have stopped a hurricane? ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: Rhondab said: the exposives could have always been there IN CASE..... But why? You have to ask yourself why would the govt want THAT particular land when it's basically swamp. It's not like beachfront property here in L.A., I have fam in the deepest parts of La. and it's a lot of swamp. What would the govt gain by displacing Blacks, and more importantly why at THAT point? Why 2005? La. isn't a big political state that sways an election. Now if this was Florida and this happened then MAYBE you could get me to think that way but not for swamp land in La. If you saw the documentary, or any documentary about the past twenty years, you would know that there is a great deal of oil that is off that coast.... and to have possession of that land would be prime for businesses, etc. | |
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LuxuryBrown said: righteous1 said: Ya know I was hearing shit like that from some reports, It's so hard to know what to believe anymore, shit I mean could 9/11 have been avoided? So could this. How can you compare a man-made attack to a natural disaster? How could the govt have stopped a hurricane? sorry, I wasn't saying that, I just think some better planning could have been done on all parts, but hell even though you can't force folks from there home or maybe because most had no means to get out like someone said before, after what happened with the Tsumani as the U.S. reacted the next day there were people stuck on bridges and roof tops for fuckin dayyys right fuckin here. It just makes no sence. *********************************************
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bluesbaby said: LuxuryBrown said: But why? You have to ask yourself why would the govt want THAT particular land when it's basically swamp. It's not like beachfront property here in L.A., I have fam in the deepest parts of La. and it's a lot of swamp. What would the govt gain by displacing Blacks, and more importantly why at THAT point? Why 2005? La. isn't a big political state that sways an election. Now if this was Florida and this happened then MAYBE you could get me to think that way but not for swamp land in La. If you saw the documentary, or any documentary about the past twenty years, you would know that there is a great deal of oil that is off that coast.... and to have possession of that land would be prime for businesses, etc. Very True indeed, Very true. *********************************************
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bluesbaby said: LuxuryBrown said: But why? You have to ask yourself why would the govt want THAT particular land when it's basically swamp. It's not like beachfront property here in L.A., I have fam in the deepest parts of La. and it's a lot of swamp. What would the govt gain by displacing Blacks, and more importantly why at THAT point? Why 2005? La. isn't a big political state that sways an election. Now if this was Florida and this happened then MAYBE you could get me to think that way but not for swamp land in La. If you saw the documentary, or any documentary about the past twenty years, you would know that there is a great deal of oil that is off that coast.... and to have possession of that land would be prime for businesses, etc. So you think the govt would have to "blow people up" to get to oil from the Gulf Coast? That's ridiculous. Plain and simple. The Govt merely has to go and TAKE it and not answer to anybody. Why would this be any different from how they take people's land for regular shit? Makes no sense. Way too drastic of a move (explosives) to do something they can simply do by just buying or rolling with the Eminent Domain move. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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righteous1 said: LuxuryBrown said: How can you compare a man-made attack to a natural disaster? How could the govt have stopped a hurricane? sorry, I wasn't saying that, I just think some better planning could have been done on all parts, but hell even though you can't force folks from there home or maybe because most had no means to get out like someone said before, after what happened with the Tsumani as the U.S. reacted the next day there were people stuck on bridges and roof tops for fuckin dayyys right fuckin here. It just makes no sence. I do agree that the response to the Tsunami victims was way faster than what the U.S. did for their own people and that was just some sad bullshit there. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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i don't have cable so i haven't seen this at all...the whole situation that unraveled after katrina hit totally pissed me and my dad off. my father's originally from louisiana and we had quite a few family members who were affected by the hurricane. it was insane--for a couple weeks after the storm passed i was on the phone with my dad damn near everyday. i'd be looking at the list of missing people on nola.com for my dad to see if any of our relatives were on there, hoping none of 'em would turn up dead (thankfully everyone made it out okay and alive). that, and it was hard to get a hold of anyone by phone at first to see if they'd made it out alright, so we were completely in the dark for a while. it was downright scary.  | |
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bluesbaby said: LuxuryBrown said: But why? You have to ask yourself why would the govt want THAT particular land when it's basically swamp. It's not like beachfront property here in L.A., I have fam in the deepest parts of La. and it's a lot of swamp. What would the govt gain by displacing Blacks, and more importantly why at THAT point? Why 2005? La. isn't a big political state that sways an election. Now if this was Florida and this happened then MAYBE you could get me to think that way but not for swamp land in La. If you saw the documentary, or any documentary about the past twenty years, you would know that there is a great deal of oil that is off that coast.... and to have possession of that land would be prime for businesses, etc. And again when did the govt use explosives in a hurricane as you stated? ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: righteous1 said: sorry, I wasn't saying that, I just think some better planning could have been done on all parts, but hell even though you can't force folks from there home or maybe because most had no means to get out like someone said before, after what happened with the Tsumani as the U.S. reacted the next day there were people stuck on bridges and roof tops for fuckin dayyys right fuckin here. It just makes no sence. I do agree that the response to the Tsunami victims was way faster than what the U.S. did for their own people and that was just some sad bullshit there. that is exactly what angered me the most--folks were in trouble, right here in our immediate vicinity, but yet n'still the tsunami victims were obviously more of a priority. natural disasters are natural disasters and in both situations folks needed a lotta help, but still, the way folks handled hurricane katrina's aftermath left me absolutely livid. it makes absolutely no sense.  | |
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Also, if this was a "planned attack" on the Poor/Black people of Nawlins, don't you think the Govt would have planned those people's evacuation route just so they wouldn't look "so bad" to where people would start coming up with conspiracy theories just like this?
They would have had military people in there FORCING people out of their homes while saying "This hurricane is gonna be the biggest ever and will kill a lot of people if you stay" just to make sure that no one was around to see what shady shit they were up to, and be praised as "heroes" for saving so many poor folk. That's how the shady Govt works if it were up to something no-good. Look, the Govt is responsible for a lot of shady shit but this just isn't one of them. Mother Nature was responsible for Katrina and ONLY her. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: LuxuryBrown said: I do agree that the response to the Tsunami victims was way faster than what the U.S. did for their own people and that was just some sad bullshit there. that is exactly what angered me the most--folks were in trouble, right here in our immediate vicinity, but yet n'still the tsunami victims were obviously more of a priority. natural disasters are natural disasters and in both situations folks needed a lotta help, but still, the way folks handled hurricane katrina's aftermath left me absolutely livid. it makes absolutely no sense. I agree completely. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: bluesbaby said: If you saw the documentary, or any documentary about the past twenty years, you would know that there is a great deal of oil that is off that coast.... and to have possession of that land would be prime for businesses, etc. And again when did the govt use explosives in a hurricane as you stated? I think it was 1927. I will check. | |
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LuxuryBrown said: bluesbaby said: If you saw the documentary, or any documentary about the past twenty years, you would know that there is a great deal of oil that is off that coast.... and to have possession of that land would be prime for businesses, etc. So you think the govt would have to "blow people up" to get to oil from the Gulf Coast? That's ridiculous. Plain and simple. The Govt merely has to go and TAKE it and not answer to anybody. Why would this be any different from how they take people's land for regular shit? Makes no sense. Way too drastic of a move (explosives) to do something they can simply do by just buying or rolling with the Eminent Domain move. I didn't say they had to blow anything up. I just was saying why that property would be valuable to others. However, with the levees failing, it was an easy way to clear that area rather than try to deal with a great deal of poverty stricken people losing their homes from eminent domain. | |
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LuxuryBrown said: Also, if this was a "planned attack" on the Poor/Black people of Nawlins, don't you think the Govt would have planned those people's evacuation route just so they wouldn't look "so bad" to where people would start coming up with conspiracy theories just like this?
They would have had military people in there FORCING people out of their homes while saying "This hurricane is gonna be the biggest ever and will kill a lot of people if you stay" just to make sure that no one was around to see what shady shit they were up to, and be praised as "heroes" for saving so many poor folk. That's how the shady Govt works if it were up to something no-good. Look, the Govt is responsible for a lot of shady shit but this just isn't one of them. Mother Nature was responsible for Katrina and ONLY her. I don't think it was planned, but it certainly turned into an opportunity. It was up to the govt. to define what that opportunity was..it became a dismal definition | |
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bluesbaby said: LuxuryBrown said: So you think the govt would have to "blow people up" to get to oil from the Gulf Coast? That's ridiculous. Plain and simple. The Govt merely has to go and TAKE it and not answer to anybody. Why would this be any different from how they take people's land for regular shit? Makes no sense. Way too drastic of a move (explosives) to do something they can simply do by just buying or rolling with the Eminent Domain move. I didn't say they had to blow anything up. I just was saying why that property would be valuable to others. However, with the levees failing, it was an easy way to clear that area rather than try to deal with a great deal of poverty stricken people losing their homes from eminent domain. Yeah, but the whole debate we're discussing is the Govt blowing up the levees, wasn't it? ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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bluesbaby said: LuxuryBrown said: Also, if this was a "planned attack" on the Poor/Black people of Nawlins, don't you think the Govt would have planned those people's evacuation route just so they wouldn't look "so bad" to where people would start coming up with conspiracy theories just like this?
They would have had military people in there FORCING people out of their homes while saying "This hurricane is gonna be the biggest ever and will kill a lot of people if you stay" just to make sure that no one was around to see what shady shit they were up to, and be praised as "heroes" for saving so many poor folk. That's how the shady Govt works if it were up to something no-good. Look, the Govt is responsible for a lot of shady shit but this just isn't one of them. Mother Nature was responsible for Katrina and ONLY her. I don't think it was planned, but it certainly turned into an opportunity. It was up to the govt. to define what that opportunity was..it became a dismal definition The opportunity to do what? Blow up the levees? How? When? Again, there's no need for the Govt to go in there and blow up levees when all they had to do was buy out those poor people. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: bluesbaby said: I don't think it was planned, but it certainly turned into an opportunity. It was up to the govt. to define what that opportunity was..it became a dismal definition The opportunity to do what? Blow up the levees? How? When? Again, there's no need for the Govt to go in there and blow up levees when all they had to do was buy out those poor people. No, it showed an opportunity to prove themselves effective with their disaster planning and a respect for humanity or as ineffective political blowhards... | |
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LuxuryBrown said: righteous1 said: Ya know I was hearing shit like that from some reports, It's so hard to know what to believe anymore, shit I mean could 9/11 have been avoided? So could this. How can you compare a man-made attack to a natural disaster? How could the govt have stopped a hurricane? Luxury you're missing the point of why the gov't would and I guess, in the past, did blow up the levees in the 9th. I thinking when you blow the levees in the 9th ward, it somehow saves the French Quarter, the bread and butter of NOLA.  I'm no engineer.
I'm not saying that this did occur BUT I'm saying that I can see the gov't having this mentality in case of hurricane. They injected syphilis in us just to see what it would do....
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Rhondab said: LuxuryBrown said: How can you compare a man-made attack to a natural disaster? How could the govt have stopped a hurricane? Luxury you're missing the point of why the gov't would and I guess, in the past, did blow up the levees in the 9th. I thinking when you blow the levees in the 9th ward, it somehow saves the French Quarter, the bread and butter of NOLA. I'm no engineer.
I'm not saying that this did occur BUT I'm saying that I can see the gov't having this mentality in case of hurricane. They injected syphilis in us just to see what it would do....
I'm sure they don't mind that the city has been "cleansed" of the 9th ward. Well I am and It does not make sence Rhonda, none of it does. I will watch this hopefully because I don't have HBO like some folks but I'm sure it will surface on DVD somewhere, I think this documentary IS a must see so people can open their eyes. *********************************************
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Rhondab said: LuxuryBrown said: How can you compare a man-made attack to a natural disaster? How could the govt have stopped a hurricane? Luxury you're missing the point of why the gov't would and I guess, in the past, did blow up the levees in the 9th. I thinking when you blow the levees in the 9th ward, it somehow saves the French Quarter, the bread and butter of NOLA. I'm no engineer.
I'm not saying that this did occur BUT I'm saying that I can see the gov't having this mentality in case of hurricane. They injected syphilis in us just to see what it would do....
I'm sure they don't mind that the city has been "cleansed" of the 9th ward. Right, but the French Quarter was still damaged by Kat, so that wouldn't have worked. Also, they can't predict where Katrina was not gonna hit or destroy, just the region it was going to hit. As for the syphillis, that was more on a hush-hush situation than, say, blowing up levees for the world to see. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: Rhondab said: Luxury you're missing the point of why the gov't would and I guess, in the past, did blow up the levees in the 9th. I thinking when you blow the levees in the 9th ward, it somehow saves the French Quarter, the bread and butter of NOLA. I'm no engineer.
I'm not saying that this did occur BUT I'm saying that I can see the gov't having this mentality in case of hurricane. They injected syphilis in us just to see what it would do....
I'm sure they don't mind that the city has been "cleansed" of the 9th ward. Right, but the French Quarter was still damaged by Kat, so that wouldn't have worked. Also, they can't predict where Katrina was not gonna hit or destroy, just the region it was going to hit. As for the syphillis, that was more on a hush-hush situation than, say, blowing up levees for the world to see. It's still an example of the US government's lack of regard, and in that case downright abuse, of the black race. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: LuxuryBrown said: Right, but the French Quarter was still damaged by Kat, so that wouldn't have worked. Also, they can't predict where Katrina was not gonna hit or destroy, just the region it was going to hit. As for the syphillis, that was more on a hush-hush situation than, say, blowing up levees for the world to see. It's still an example of the US government's lack of regard, and in that case downright abuse, of the black race. Poor folks down there in general Supa, Jeesh the way I can understand is I am from south La. but reside in Houston now for 6 yrs. hey you should have seen the mayham here when we thought hurricane Rita was headed our way but the government up off their ass got gaurds in this joint after the Katrina screw-up. *********************************************
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: LuxuryBrown said: Right, but the French Quarter was still damaged by Kat, so that wouldn't have worked. Also, they can't predict where Katrina was not gonna hit or destroy, just the region it was going to hit. As for the syphillis, that was more on a hush-hush situation than, say, blowing up levees for the world to see. It's still an example of the US government's lack of regard, and in that case downright abuse, of the black race. Right, but in THIS instance, the Govt didn't blow up the levees to displace Blacks. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: butterfli25 said: one of my aunts that evacuated before the storm told her son she didn't want to stay there during the hurricane because she didn't want to be sitting up on top of the house like she was when they blew up the levees in 69. My cousin told her that wasn't true and they wouldn't do that.
she's sitting in alabama now saying um hm they did it again. we thought she was just old and deluded, now I don't know.There's no way the govt blew up the levees. As powerful as the military is, they are absolutely no match for mom nature. Nothing could navigate out there during that size of a hurricane to be able to blow up levees. I have a friend that's a meteoroligist/air traffic controller in Florida and he said "If the military has something that can maneuver during a cat. (category) 5, then we should be landing on Jupiter very soon." You must not have watched that shit. Because the HURRICANE did not fuck up the levees (piece of shit that they were) and the storm surge the morning after was at Category ONE. When, the GOV-ERN-MENT fucking exploded them shits TWICE before!? 1965 and 1927.When the government has always expressed a desire to do more profitable shit with areas like New Orleans (some primo waterfront property inhabited by poor Black People.) And you think they ain't have a hand in this shit. Then after they flooded the shit, they let these fucking people marinate in toxic stew for 5 fucking days to make good and damned sure they ain't never wanna come back once they got out. I mean Goddamn, Does G-Dub himself gotta shove some dynamite in your drawls for you to see that the US Government can do and HAS DONE this shit and worse! | |
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alwayslate said: LuxuryBrown said: There's no way the govt blew up the levees. As powerful as the military is, they are absolutely no match for mom nature. Nothing could navigate out there during that size of a hurricane to be able to blow up levees. I have a friend that's a meteoroligist/air traffic controller in Florida and he said "If the military has something that can maneuver during a cat. (category) 5, then we should be landing on Jupiter very soon." You must not have watched that shit. Because the HURRICANE did not fuck up the levees (piece of shit that they were) and the storm surge the morning after was at Category ONE. When, the GOV-ERN-MENT fucking exploded them shits TWICE before!? 1965 and 1927.When the government has always expressed a desire to do more profitable shit with areas like New Orleans (some primo waterfront property inhabited by poor Black People.) And you think they ain't have a hand in this shit. Then after they flooded the shit, they let these fucking people marinate in toxic stew for 5 fucking days to make good and damned sure they ain't never wanna come back once they got out. I mean Goddamn, Does G-Dub himself gotta shove some dynamite in your drawls for you to see that the US Government can do and HAS DONE this shit and worse! And did Bigfoot tell you all this? And um, what's a Category 1 storm surge?  Since when did they measure "storm surges" in "categories?"
People, that post above tells you why it's VERY important to get your own research as best you can and not believe everything you see, hear, and read just because it fits into your suspicions. ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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LuxuryBrown said: And did Bigfoot tell you all this? And um, what's a Category 1 storm surge? Since when did they measure "storm surges" in "categories?"
People, that post above tells you why it's VERY important to get your own research as best you can and not believe everything you see, hear, and read just because it fits into your suspicions. Category 123 or ABC, I ain't no weatherman.The water is not the reason this shit happened. http://www.prisonplanet.c...levees.htm http://www.total411.info/...sives.html 1927 On April 29, with dangerously rising floodwaters in the Mississippi threatening to overwhelm New Orleans, Louisiana's governor orders the Army Corps of Engineers to dynamite a levee along St. Bernard Parish, allowing floodwaters to drain across the parish's rural neighborhoods and wetlands to Lake Borgne and the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans proper is saved, but the parish is devastated. More than 200 people die and 700,000 are left homeless. The disaster marks the end of the levees-only policy; as one writer puts it, "a policy had been breached and the pouring waters were sweeping an era away." taken from a timeline on PBS.org Take your blue pill and go back to sleep. | |
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alwayslate said: LuxuryBrown said: And did Bigfoot tell you all this? And um, what's a Category 1 storm surge? Since when did they measure "storm surges" in "categories?"
People, that post above tells you why it's VERY important to get your own research as best you can and not believe everything you see, hear, and read just because it fits into your suspicions. Category 123 or ABC, I ain't no weatherman.The water is not the reason this shit happened. http://www.prisonplanet.c...levees.htm http://www.total411.info/...sives.html 1927 On April 29, with dangerously rising floodwaters in the Mississippi threatening to overwhelm New Orleans, Louisiana's governor orders the Army Corps of Engineers to dynamite a levee along St. Bernard Parish, allowing floodwaters to drain across the parish's rural neighborhoods and wetlands to Lake Borgne and the Gulf of Mexico. New Orleans proper is saved, but the parish is devastated. More than 200 people die and 700,000 are left homeless. The disaster marks the end of the levees-only policy; as one writer puts it, "a policy had been breached and the pouring waters were sweeping an era away." taken from a timeline on PBS.org Take your blue pill and go back to sleep. Oh, so basically you didn't know what you were talking about when you said "a category 1 storm surge." Cool, just like I thought. I also find it hilarious that you're trying to use these "conspiracy websites" to back your argument. Your tactics are truly ridiculous and desperate. The funny thing is, one of the websites contradicts what YOU'RE trying to sell us here, so that makes you look eevn more ridiculous. As for the levees being blown up, if there are "record accounts" of the 2 previous levees being blown, then how come there isn't record of the levees being blown for Katrina?
Also, since it was done by the Governor the last time, that means it was Governor Blanco that ordered the levees to be blown up THIS time, that is your stance, right? Ok, so prove it. Something tells me my request will go unfulfilled.  [Edited 8/24/06 16:22pm] ~This brown experience made me the man that I was meant to be~
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alwayslate said:[quote] LuxuryBrown said: There's no way the govt blew up the levees. As powerful as the military is, they are absolutely no match for mom nature. Nothing could navigate out there during that size of a hurricane to be able to blow up levees. ." You must not have watched that shit. Because the HURRICANE did not fuck up the levees (piece of shit that they were) and the storm surge the morning after was at Category ONE. When, the GOV-ERN-MENT fucking exploded them shits TWICE before!? 1965 and 1927.quote] they also blew them up in 1923. I am not saying they did it this time, but they did do it a number of times before. | |
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righteous1 said: Rhondab said: Luxury you're missing the point of why the gov't would and I guess, in the past, did blow up the levees in the 9th. I thinking when you blow the levees in the 9th ward, it somehow saves the French Quarter, the bread and butter of NOLA. I'm no engineer.
I'm not saying that this did occur BUT I'm saying that I can see the gov't having this mentality in case of hurricane. They injected syphilis in us just to see what it would do....
I'm sure they don't mind that the city has been "cleansed" of the 9th ward. Well I am and It does not make sence Rhonda, none of it does. I will watch this hopefully because I don't have HBO like some folks but I'm sure it will surface on DVD somewhere, I think this documentary IS a must see so people can open their eyes. But they've done it before though...I think that's the point some are missing. The gov't has blown them up before..... And Luxury...the French Quarter is open for business and yet...the 9th ward is still under concrete. I don't know if they did it or not. I just don't put anything past the gov't on any level. From what I did understand about Katrina in NOLA...the levees "bursting" did more damage than the hurricane someone told me. Dont know. Regardless...the levees didn't hold in the 9th ward...so there was neglect. | |
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