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Thread started 08/04/06 9:43am

Graycap23

Ball Players NEVER learn.....

Pistons' Davis arrested, shocked with stun gunAssociated Press


MIAMI BEACH, Fla. -- Detroit Pistons center Dale Davis was shocked with a stun gun and charged with assault and disorderly conduct in an altercation with Miami Beach police.



Davis was arrested Tuesday at a Miami Beach hotel and accused of threatening police and security guards and shouting profanities, police said.



Chubby Wells, Davis' agent, said he plans to file a lawsuit against police for their treatment of the 15-year NBA veteran.



"It was so ridiculous, it's unbelievable," Wells said. "We're going to take a stand."



Police were called to the hotel by the security workers and Davis was repeatedly asked to leave, but refused, according to the report.



After giving officers his identification, Davis and the officers went outside, where the 6-foot-11 player accused the officers of targeting him because he is black. Police said they asked Davis to remove his hands from his pockets for officer safety, and Davis complied after asking officers if they were going to shoot him.



Davis pulled out money, three cellular phones and credit cards. He put the items back in his pockets and said he'd beat up the officers if they took off their badges and got rid of their guns.



Davis then balled his fists and began walking toward officers in an aggressive manner, and he was warned that he would be hit with a Taser gun if he continued.



He didn't stop, and an officer used the stun gun to hit Davis in the chest and he fell to the ground. He was taken into custody and charged with assault, assault on a police officer, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest without violence.



Davis played for Indiana, Portland and Golden State before joining the Pistons as a reserve last season. A Detroit spokesmen didn't return phone messages seeking comment Friday.
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Reply #1 posted 08/04/06 9:45am

jerseykrs

HAHAHAH, here's a bit of information that everyone can benefit from.

If a cop is telling you to do something, just do it. They're right. Even if they're wrong, the guns and tazers say they are right. Just comply.

And don't try to beat them up, it will never work out well for you.

And ESPECIALLY if you're rich, just do it and pay a good lawyer to handle it AFTER.


Idiots rolleyes
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Reply #2 posted 08/04/06 9:56am

purplerein

a) 3 cell phones?....

b) I wonder if any alcohol or drugs were involved.
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Reply #3 posted 08/04/06 10:02am

LuxuryBrown

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Davis pulled out money, three cellular phones and credit cards. He put the items back in his pockets and said he'd beat up the officers if they took off their badges and got rid of their guns.

That shit had me dyin' laughin'! LMAO!

When will the Black man in America realize that just because he's famous and has some money that he's still just a "N", especially when it comes to the cops. Ask ANY cop and they will tell you they fear black men in ANY scenario, especially a 6'11 Black man.

Now, how was he charged with assault when he never touched a cop? Dirty ass cops. The fair treatment of the Black Man in America - God bless the USA.
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~So what you see is what you see, can't be nobody else but me~ -Luxury Brown
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Reply #4 posted 08/04/06 10:04am

purplerein

LuxuryBrown said:

Davis pulled out money, three cellular phones and credit cards. He put the items back in his pockets and said he'd beat up the officers if they took off their badges and got rid of their guns.

That shit had me dyin' laughin'! LMAO!

When will the Black man in America realize that just because he's famous and has some money that he's still just a "N", especially when it comes to the cops. Ask ANY cop and they will tell you they fear black men in ANY scenario, especially a 6'11 Black man.

Now, how was he charged with assault when he never touched a cop? Dirty ass cops. The fair treatment of the Black Man in America - God bless the USA.


LB..how about Dale Davis take personal responsibilty for acting like an asshole, no matter what race he is.

Cops are going to do what they have to do to keep control of a situation, and if ANY person walked toward a cop with fists, and in a threatening way, the police officer is going to respond. Race has nothing to do with it.
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Reply #5 posted 08/04/06 10:05am

uPtoWnNY

LuxuryBrown said:

When will the Black man in America realize that just because he's famous and has some money that he's still just a "N", especially when it comes to the cops.



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Reply #6 posted 08/04/06 10:05am

jerseykrs

yeah, taking race out of the equation, because I wasn't there....but....anytime you tell cops that if they took off their badges and guns that you would kick their ass, yeah, it's not going to end well.


That's not racism, it's called have some better common sense.
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Reply #7 posted 08/04/06 10:11am

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purplerein said:

LuxuryBrown said:


That shit had me dyin' laughin'! LMAO!

When will the Black man in America realize that just because he's famous and has some money that he's still just a "N", especially when it comes to the cops. Ask ANY cop and they will tell you they fear black men in ANY scenario, especially a 6'11 Black man.

Now, how was he charged with assault when he never touched a cop? Dirty ass cops. The fair treatment of the Black Man in America - God bless the USA.


LB..how about Dale Davis take personal responsibilty for acting like an asshole, no matter what race he is.

Cops are going to do what they have to do to keep control of a situation, and if ANY person walked toward a cop with fists, and in a threatening way, the police officer is going to respond. Race has nothing to do with it.


Well, first off, don't say race has nothing to do with it because America's history of racism against Blacks is epic and very well documented so I son't see how you can roll with that so easily.

But yeah, being Black and acting an asshole is a personal insult to cops. I know tons of cops because of my brother's job and they will tell you that they HATE it when a Black man sasses them.

Had that been Brad Miller doing the exact same thing how much do you wanna bet that he would not have been tasered nor arrested on a false charge of "Assault" and more than likely he would have never been asked to leave. That's what I really want to know - Why was he asked to leave in the first place?
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~So what you see is what you see, can't be nobody else but me~ -Luxury Brown
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Reply #8 posted 08/04/06 10:14am

jerseykrs

LuxuryBrown said:

purplerein said:



LB..how about Dale Davis take personal responsibilty for acting like an asshole, no matter what race he is.

Cops are going to do what they have to do to keep control of a situation, and if ANY person walked toward a cop with fists, and in a threatening way, the police officer is going to respond. Race has nothing to do with it.


Well, first off, don't say race has nothing to do with it because America's history of racism against Blacks is epic and very well documented so I son't see how you can roll with that so easily.

But yeah, being Black and acting an asshole is a personal insult to cops. I know tons of cops because of my brother's job and they will tell you that they HATE it when a Black man sasses them.

Had that been Brad Miller doing the exact same thing how much do you wanna bet that he would not have been tasered nor arrested on a false charge of "Assault" and more than likely he would have never been asked to leave. That's what I really want to know - Why was he asked to leave in the first place?




again, all valid questions that we don't have answers to, so it's kind of an assumption to drop the race card in THIS case. Of course america has a terrible history, we all know this. I'm just saying, we don't know what happened. So I can't make an accurate judgement. However, I do know if you threaten a cop, whether you're black, white or whatever, it's not a good idea. Even if you ARE IN THE RIGHT.

That's all I'm trying to state really.
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Reply #9 posted 08/04/06 10:15am

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jerseykrs said:

yeah, taking race out of the equation, because I wasn't there....but....anytime you tell cops that if they took off their badges and guns that you would kick their ass, yeah, it's not going to end well.


That's not racism, it's called have some better common sense.


There's no way in hell you can take race out of the equation when cops are taught to look at Blacks and Latinoes as bigger threats than their white counterparts. Also, when is telling a cop you'd kick his ass considered a crime? I've seen people get pulled over and talk shit to cops (White drivers of course do this a lot) and nothing happen to them, so this whole "Talking shit to cops" excuse doesn't fly with me.

But again, it boils down to race, some people just choose not to acknowledge it or they never had to experience it so I'm not surprised that a lot of people are quick to dismiss it as it not being a race issue.
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Reply #10 posted 08/04/06 10:15am

uPtoWnNY

purplerein said:

Cops are going to do what they have to do to keep control of a situation, and if ANY person walked toward a cop with fists, and in a threatening way, the police officer is going to respond. Race has nothing to do with it.


Race and class have a lot to with how folks are treated by cops. When I see unarmed white men shot 41 times in front of their home, sodomized with a plunger, stopped for walking/driving in the 'wrong' neighborhood, etc., etc., then I'll believe your last statement.

Bottom line, blacks(especially young brothers) have to be EXTRA careful when dealing with white cops. Black & latino cops have told me that, including my dad who was on the job for 25 years. Davis is lucky(and stupid). The average brother would be in the hospital(or dead) after doing what he did.
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Reply #11 posted 08/04/06 10:16am

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uPtoWnNY said:

purplerein said:

Cops are going to do what they have to do to keep control of a situation, and if ANY person walked toward a cop with fists, and in a threatening way, the police officer is going to respond. Race has nothing to do with it.


Race and class have a lot to with how folks are treated by cops. When I see unarmed white men shot 41 times in front of their home, sodomized with a plunger, stopped for walking/driving in the 'wrong' neighborhood, etc., etc., then I'll believe your last statement.

Bottom line, blacks(especially young brothers) have to be EXTRA careful when dealing with white cops. Black & latino cops have told me that, including my dad who was on the job for 25 years. Davis is lucky(and stupid). The average brother would be in the hospital(or dead) after doing what he did.

thumbs up!
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~So what you see is what you see, can't be nobody else but me~ -Luxury Brown
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Reply #12 posted 08/04/06 10:17am

jerseykrs

uPtoWnNY said:


Bottom line, blacks(especially young brothers) have to be EXTRA careful when dealing with white cops. Black & latino cops have told me that, including my dad who was on the job for 25 years. Davis is lucky(and stupid). The average brother would be in the hospital(or dead) after doing what he did.



exactly, I'm not condoning the cops behaviour, but use some common sense. You as the civilian DO NOT WIN in that situation.
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Reply #13 posted 08/04/06 10:17am

purplerein

LuxuryBrown said:

purplerein said:



LB..how about Dale Davis take personal responsibilty for acting like an asshole, no matter what race he is.

Cops are going to do what they have to do to keep control of a situation, and if ANY person walked toward a cop with fists, and in a threatening way, the police officer is going to respond. Race has nothing to do with it.


Well, first off, don't say race has nothing to do with it because America's history of racism against Blacks is epic and very well documented so I son't see how you can roll with that so easily.

But yeah, being Black and acting an asshole is a personal insult to cops. I know tons of cops because of my brother's job and they will tell you that they HATE it when a Black man sasses them.

Had that been Brad Miller doing the exact same thing how much do you wanna bet that he would not have been tasered nor arrested on a false charge of "Assault" and more than likely he would have never been asked to leave. That's what I really want to know - Why was he asked to leave in the first place?


america, europe, japane, china...all the world practices racism in some form or another. Irish were excluded from jobs in the 20's and italians. and jews.
and blacks. I am not trying to diminimize the racism experienced by the blacks in this country. My point was, if you act like an asshole, especially to the police whose job it is is to protect the peace and keep everyone safe, you're going to be dealt with accordingly. be you black white or purple.
Cops need to assert authority in order to control situations. They were doing their jobs. who told Dale Davis to act like an asshole? If he were Brad Miller, or Chris Mullin or Danny Ainge, and came at them in the same way, they'd be taken down too.
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Reply #14 posted 08/04/06 10:18am

jerseykrs

LuxuryBrown said:



There's no way in hell you can take race out of the equation when cops are taught to look at Blacks and Latinoes as bigger threats than their white counterparts.



That is the biggest blanket statement I have EVER heard.
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Reply #15 posted 08/04/06 10:19am

LuxuryBrown

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purplerein said:

LuxuryBrown said:



Well, first off, don't say race has nothing to do with it because America's history of racism against Blacks is epic and very well documented so I son't see how you can roll with that so easily.

But yeah, being Black and acting an asshole is a personal insult to cops. I know tons of cops because of my brother's job and they will tell you that they HATE it when a Black man sasses them.

Had that been Brad Miller doing the exact same thing how much do you wanna bet that he would not have been tasered nor arrested on a false charge of "Assault" and more than likely he would have never been asked to leave. That's what I really want to know - Why was he asked to leave in the first place?


america, europe, japane, china...all the world practices racism in some form or another. Irish were excluded from jobs in the 20's and italians. and jews.
and blacks. I am not trying to diminimize the racism experienced by the blacks in this country. My point was, if you act like an asshole, especially to the police whose job it is is to protect the peace and keep everyone safe, you're going to be dealt with accordingly. be you black white or purple.
Cops need to assert authority in order to control situations. They were doing their jobs. who told Dale Davis to act like an asshole? If he were Brad Miller, or Chris Mullin or Danny Ainge, and came at them in the same way, they'd be taken down too.


In America, which is where I dwell, this happens all too common to Blacks and Latinoes. Whites get WAY more leeway in situations like this than Blacks or Latinoes. Hence, my experiences tell me different from what you feel and beleive and my beliefs will never change on that issue.
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Reply #16 posted 08/04/06 10:20am

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jerseykrs said:

LuxuryBrown said:



There's no way in hell you can take race out of the equation when cops are taught to look at Blacks and Latinoes as bigger threats than their white counterparts.



That is the biggest blanket statement I have EVER heard.

It's the org, so I shouldn't be surprised by your comment either.
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~So what you see is what you see, can't be nobody else but me~ -Luxury Brown
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Reply #17 posted 08/04/06 10:22am

purplerein

LuxuryBrown said:

In America, which is where I dwell, this happens all too common to Blacks and Latinoes. Whites get WAY more leeway in situations like this than Blacks or Latinoes. Hence, my experiences tell me different from what you feel and beleive and my beliefs will never change on that issue.



Perhaps if family values and strong parental guidance existed in the world, we wouldn't be discussing this
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Reply #18 posted 08/04/06 10:22am

jerseykrs

LuxuryBrown said:

jerseykrs said:




That is the biggest blanket statement I have EVER heard.

It's the org, so I shouldn't be surprised by your comment either.



hug I don't want to argue, just giving my view on the situation.
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Reply #19 posted 08/04/06 10:25am

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purplerein said:

LuxuryBrown said:

In America, which is where I dwell, this happens all too common to Blacks and Latinoes. Whites get WAY more leeway in situations like this than Blacks or Latinoes. Hence, my experiences tell me different from what you feel and beleive and my beliefs will never change on that issue.



Perhaps if family values and strong parental guidance existed in the world, we wouldn't be discussing this

Yeah, because it's the parents' fault that racism exists in America.

God bless America, for she is never wrong.
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Reply #20 posted 08/04/06 10:26am

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jerseykrs said:

LuxuryBrown said:


It's the org, so I shouldn't be surprised by your comment either.



hug I don't want to argue, just giving my view on the situation.

No argument at all. I was done with it actually. It is what it is, that's why I made that comment.
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Reply #21 posted 08/04/06 10:31am

purplerein

LuxuryBrown said:

purplerein said:




Perhaps if family values and strong parental guidance existed in the world, we wouldn't be discussing this

Yeah, because it's the parents' fault that racism exists in America.

God bless America, for she is never wrong.


kids are born with love in their hearts and souls. parents teach the kids right from wrong. hating another person because of their skin color is wrong. teaching hate because of skin color is wrong. letting your kid see you in an f*cked up state due to drugs and alcohol is wrong. that teaches the wrong thing.
having kids and not taking responsibility for them is wrong, and teaches the wrong thing. where do kids learn to hate? where do kids learn to disrespect police officers?
just sayin
and I'm not looking to argue with you LB..but not everything in this world is trumped by the race card. I agree to politely disagree with you, and respect you for your opinion, I just have a differing opinion
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purplerein said:

LuxuryBrown said:


Yeah, because it's the parents' fault that racism exists in America.

God bless America, for she is never wrong.


kids are born with love in their hearts and souls. parents teach the kids right from wrong. hating another person because of their skin color is wrong. teaching hate because of skin color is wrong. letting your kid see you in an f*cked up state due to drugs and alcohol is wrong. that teaches the wrong thing.
having kids and not taking responsibility for them is wrong, and teaches the wrong thing. where do kids learn to hate? where do kids learn to disrespect police officers?
just sayin
and I'm not looking to argue with you LB..but not everything in this world is trumped by the race card. I agree to politely disagree with you, and respect you for your opinion, I just have a differing opinion

Cool beans. It's all good.
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Reply #23 posted 08/04/06 10:34am

uPtoWnNY

jerseykrs said:

LuxuryBrown said:



There's no way in hell you can take race out of the equation when cops are taught to look at Blacks and Latinoes as bigger threats than their white counterparts.



That is the biggest blanket statement I have EVER heard.


I have many cop relatives and friends. Believe me, there's a lot of truth in LB's statement. Sh!t, I remember a sergeant(at the academy) refer to black & latino cops as "perps with badges". I saw thousands of white cops stand on the steps of City Hall and call a black mayor the N-word and a 'washroom attendant'. Cops are no different than the rest of society when it comes to opinions about people of color.
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Reply #24 posted 08/04/06 10:35am

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uPtoWnNY said:

jerseykrs said:




That is the biggest blanket statement I have EVER heard.


I have many cop relatives and friends. Believe me, there's a lot of truth in LB's statement. Sh!t, I remember a sergeant(at the academy) refer to black & latino cops as "perps with badges". I saw thousands of white cops stand on the steps of City Hall and call a black mayor the N-word and a 'washroom attendant'. Cops are no different than the rest of society when it comes to opinions about people of color.

Exactly. Where do cops come from? The very society that breeds the hate that they are sworn to "protect."
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Reply #25 posted 08/04/06 10:36am

purplerein

LuxuryBrown said:

uPtoWnNY said:



I have many cop relatives and friends. Believe me, there's a lot of truth in LB's statement. Sh!t, I remember a sergeant(at the academy) refer to black & latino cops as "perps with badges". I saw thousands of white cops stand on the steps of City Hall and call a black mayor the N-word and a 'washroom attendant'. Cops are no different than the rest of society when it comes to opinions about people of color.

Exactly. Where do cops come from? The very society that breeds the hate that they are sworn to "protect."



just don't say ALL cops. that's just my two cents. because not ALL black people are thugs, right?
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Reply #26 posted 08/04/06 10:38am

jerseykrs

uPtoWnNY said:

jerseykrs said:




That is the biggest blanket statement I have EVER heard.


I have many cop relatives and friends. Believe me, there's a lot of truth in LB's statement. Sh!t, I remember a sergeant(at the academy) refer to black & latino cops as "perps with badges". I saw thousands of white cops stand on the steps of City Hall and call a black mayor the N-word and a 'washroom attendant'. Cops are no different than the rest of society when it comes to opinions about people of color.



okay, my last statement on this, I do not DOUBT AT ALL that happens. I'm positive of it actually, but to say ALL COPS ARE TOLD TO BE BIASED TOWARDS BLACK AND LATIN people is just is a judgemental statement. If I were to say all Italian Americans hate all Irish Americans, would that be truthful? Of course not.
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Reply #27 posted 08/04/06 10:45am

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purplerein said:

LuxuryBrown said:


Exactly. Where do cops come from? The very society that breeds the hate that they are sworn to "protect."



just don't say ALL cops. that's just my two cents. because not ALL black people are thugs, right?

No, of course not. But off the record ALL cops are taught to look at Blacks and Latinoes differently than they do Whites. The white cops are taught that. The black cops are taught that. The Latino cops are taught that. The Asian cops are taught that. It's just not on the record. Now, of course there are some cops that disregard that "secret teaching" but most cops, no matter what the race is, abide by it.
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Reply #28 posted 08/04/06 10:47am

purplerein

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Reply #29 posted 08/04/06 10:52am

ThreadBare

I'm a racial-profiling survivor. So, I know firsthand how the cops can treat nonwhites.

That said, the dude was asking for trouble with the cops. That's all jerseykrs is saying.

Anytime you roll up on some police officers in a way that suggests anything from mischief to violence, expect to be met with excessive force.
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