JediMaster said:

i don't think he's so difficult to work with; i just think he has a famously low bullshit tolerance when he's making big studio movies - good for him.

is anyone else but me going to go into watching the sequel, comparing Heath to Jack?...Jack had a great time playing the Joker..he camped it up. Somehow, Heath doesn't strike me as having the exhuberant personality to play the Joker.

purplerein said:

nah, cuz they're giving the whole franchise a younger, fresher-faced makeover. it looks more like graphic novels and less like comic books, and they're sexing it up a bit. it's a whole different view than the tim burton/joel flopmaker movies.

Anx said:

understood...but casting out of an actor's comfort zone doesn't a good movie make.
Tommy Lee Jones was miscast as "Twoface"..I understand it's a different set of filmakers on that puppy, but...and I did like the Batman begins..it was so much better then the Val Kilmer batman. Danny Devito was a good penguin..that, was not miscasting..neither was Jack..

purplerein said:

i can't say a bad word about 'batman returns'...i LOVE THAT MOVIE. one of my favorite movie lines ever is michelle pfieffer as catwoman saying "i want to be instrumental to his degradation." such dominatrix hottness!

i think heath can pull off the joker, especially if whatshisface from 28 days later could pull off scarecrow.

Anx said:

ok..whathisface was a good scarecrow (at one point they were talking to howard stern about that role, in the batman with twoface and the riddler)...

I like heath as an actor. 10 things I hate about you is one of my have to watch it if I come across it flipping the channels type movies..

i'm trusting you on this Anx. if not, I want my 12.50$ back

purplerein said:

oh, i'll probably wait for it on DVD myself...i thought 'batman begins' was a bore, and i love batman stuff. in a way, i thought it was trying to reverse the schumaker curse so much that it went too far in the other direction and got too bland and too steeped in its attempts at realism. and not enough batman, though i understand why that was necessary.

but i loooove that joker, so maybe i'll check it out on the big screen.

Anx said:

now THAT would be amazing!

Anx said:

Cillian Murphy

purplerein said:

I know I won't. I've always enjoyed Nicholson's performance in that film, but ultimately it wasn't The Joker. It was Jack, through and through, and it certainly worked, but I never once was under any sort of illusion that I was watching The Joker come to life.

I'm sure plenty of people WILL compare them, that just comes with the territory, but to most comic fans it won't matter. Most real Batman fans view the Burton films as fun, but completely off the mark as adaptations. Batman Begins was a much more accurate translation from the comics

CarrieMpls said:

Let's just add a pic, shall we?

CarrieMpls said:

co -

but i think he should have a shaved head at all times, like in the zombie movie.

and be nekkid, like in the zombie movie.

Anx said:

at least part of the time, sure.

Anx said:

Lawd, I can!!! Pfieffer was the only thing that made that movie watchable!

JediMaster said:

whaaaat? walken? de vito's make-up and costumes? the paul ruebens cameo? the multiple-personality love/hate story? the whole tim burton-ness of it? i liked this one more than the first one, easily.

Anx said:

the first one had music by..Prince

CarrieMpls said:

fest

He was a GREAT scarecrow, imho.
Also, Danny Devito was a great penguin, Jack Nicholson was good as the Joker and Michelle Pfifer was a brilliant Catwoman (which was a surprise to me). Do you remember Sean Young acting all crazy on the talk show circuit when she was trying to get the Catwoman role?
[Edited 8/2/06 8:31am]

applekisses said:

I thought Danny DeVito ruined Batman Returns. IMO, the movie would have been much better with just Batman & Catwoman(as she is in the comics, not some wacky secretary). Batman Returns had so much potential, but something went wrong.

Ledger should read "The Killing Joke" graphic novel. If he bases his Joker on that, I'll be very happy.
[Edited 8/2/06 9:05am]

Anx said:

Hey, I love Walken, but that role was sooo ridiculous. He is creating a power plant that will stockpile energy? Wha? For what? He then wants to make Penguin mayor? Huh? Oh, and he owns a department store that has a huge Felix the Cat head on top? Stupid.

DeVito's Penguin was HORRIBLE. It wasn't his fault, but the part was poorly written. It really didn't bear any resemblance to his comic counterpart at all, but that wasn't what bugged me. What bugged me was that Burton went out of his way to give Penguin oodles of screen time, when he was one of the least interesting characters in the film.

It had plot holes you can drive a mack truck through: Penguin gets the blueprints to the Batmobile? How, exactly, did he accomplish that? Alfred sell them on eBay or something?

Penguin was raised by Emperor penguins that live in the sewer? Yeah, when most zoos close, they just let the animals loose into the wild.

Batman was framed by Penguin, yet he never really clears his name. Sure, Bats plays a CD of Penguin claiming to have played the city "like a harp from hell", but that doesn't exactly clear Batman of murder, now does it?

I thought the whole duality thing was waaaaayyyy overplayed, and it really showed that Burton didn't get Batman or Catwoman at all. Batman has NEVER been shown to have a struggle with his dual identity at all. The Bruce Wayne: Millionaire Playboy thing has always been a facade that is affected to draw attention away from his real mission. As for Catwoman, she's had lots of incarnations, but none of them have ever been split-personalities, and she's never been depicted as crazed in any way.

Add in some of the generally stupid things about it (such as penguins with rocket launchers on their backs, or Catwoman having "nine lives" ) and the movie just deteriorates into a huge mess. Don't even get me started on the whole giant duck-mobile thing that Penguin drives through the sewers!

As for the whole "Tim Burton-ness of it", I view that as a bit of a problem. Don't get me wrong, I love most of Burton's films, but this was supposed to be a Batman movie. Burton should stick to stories & characters that he himself writes, instead of trying to twist other's characters into his own

JediMaster said:

i hope you never get your hands on the '60s TV show.

So they're all out of villians? They gotta recycle the joker?

Heath doesn't impress me, I don't get him

Anx said:

I view the 1960s TV series as a campy parody. It isn't Batman, but it's fun. It has a soft spot in my heart, if only for the fact that it introduced me to the whole super-hero genre when I was little. Add in the fact that I met Adam West several years ago, and he was incredibly nice, and I can't bash on the show too much.

I will say that I thought Burton's films were masterpieces next to Schumacher's!

I know I'm being a tad bit harsh here. I used to like both Burton films quite a bit, but with repeat viewings, all the flaws really began to get to me. For what it's worth, I truly did enjoy Pfieffer's performance. Much like Nicholson in the first one, it doesn't really correspond with the comic-book counterpart, but it is good in its own right.

CalhounSq said:

They aren't "recycling". The franchize was re-booted with Batman Begins, and thus has a brand-new continuity. The Burton/Schumacher films are their own series, while this is a new one (Schumacher made such a mess of things with his movies, that it was fairly necessary to scrap it all and start over fresh).

The Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis, and the biggest crime from Burton's original was killing him off (even Nicholson has complained about this). He should be a character that can re-appear later on. From what I've read of Goyer's outlines for the next two films, The Joker is a fairly important character. While not the villian of the third, his actions in the beginning of that film are the catalyst for everything that follows.

Anx said:

I don't think I could ever see Crispin Glover in anything without thinking "hey, that's George McFly!"

BananaCologne said:

Spats finally posted his picture!

Anx said:

pervert

jerseykrs said:

why in the world did they put the matrix background on that??

Maybe this mf should play the joker






No makeup required

CalhounSq said:

Too disturbing. He has to be slightly likeable.