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Reply #60 posted 07/09/06 6:05pm

luv4all7

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luv4all7 said:



Yeah, they don't make PEOPLE violent. They CAN make little CHILDREN violent.


Uh, no.

Maybe maladjusted children that are surrounded by other poor influences. In which case, cartoons are just a scapegoat for parents who allow their children to be raised by television.


Um yes! Little children's brains are like sponges. If they see violence on a cartoon, they're gonna react to it, no matter what kind of home they're in.
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Reply #61 posted 07/09/06 6:08pm

Spookymuffin

luv4all7 said:

Xagain said:



Uh, no.

Maybe maladjusted children that are surrounded by other poor influences. In which case, cartoons are just a scapegoat for parents who allow their children to be raised by television.


Um yes! Little children's brains are like sponges. If they see violence on a cartoon, they're gonna react to it, no matter what kind of home they're in.


DISAGREE.
There is so much more to any mind than that. That's an incredibly simplistic and idealistic view of a child's brain. Many children react in exactly the opposite way, becoming more caring when they see violence. There is so much more to take into account. It's just....god it makes me angry when people blame TV for serial killers. disbelief
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Reply #62 posted 07/09/06 6:15pm

luv4all7

Spookymuffin said:

luv4all7 said:



Um yes! Little children's brains are like sponges. If they see violence on a cartoon, they're gonna react to it, no matter what kind of home they're in.


DISAGREE.
There is so much more to any mind than that. That's an incredibly simplistic and idealistic view of a child's brain. Many children react in exactly the opposite way, becoming more caring when they see violence. There is so much more to take into account. It's just....god it makes me angry when people blame TV for serial killers. disbelief



Mmmm,.well agree to disagree.

My 3 year old in not allowed to watch the shit so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
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Reply #63 posted 07/09/06 6:18pm

luv4all7

Spookymuffin said:

luv4all7 said:



Um yes! Little children's brains are like sponges. If they see violence on a cartoon, they're gonna react to it, no matter what kind of home they're in.


DISAGREE.
There is so much more to any mind than that. That's an incredibly simplistic and idealistic view of a child's brain. Many children react in exactly the opposite way, becoming more caring when they see violence. There is so much more to take into account. It's just....god it makes me angry when people blame TV for serial killers. disbelief


And I'm not blamin' TV for serial killers. I'm blaming childrens cartoons wit knives blood and ninjas and shit, for violence in children! lol
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Reply #64 posted 07/09/06 6:19pm

Spookymuffin

luv4all7 said:

Spookymuffin said:



DISAGREE.
There is so much more to any mind than that. That's an incredibly simplistic and idealistic view of a child's brain. Many children react in exactly the opposite way, becoming more caring when they see violence. There is so much more to take into account. It's just....god it makes me angry when people blame TV for serial killers. disbelief



Mmmm,.well agree to disagree.

My 3 year old in not allowed to watch the shit so I guess it doesn't matter anyway.


nod It's your choice. I agree and disagree. I don't think kids should watch terminator 2 on their 2nd birthday, but I don't see any reason for kids not to be allowed to watch looney toons or tom&jerry; I grew up on that shit, it's hilarious today! Brilliant stuff.
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Reply #65 posted 07/09/06 6:37pm

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Spookymuffin said:

luv4all7 said:



Um yes! Little children's brains are like sponges. If they see violence on a cartoon, they're gonna react to it, no matter what kind of home they're in.


DISAGREE.
There is so much more to any mind than that. That's an incredibly simplistic and idealistic view of a child's brain. Many children react in exactly the opposite way, becoming more caring when they see violence. There is so much more to take into account. It's just....god it makes me angry when people blame TV for serial killers. disbelief

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Reply #66 posted 07/09/06 6:37pm

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...I don't have a problem with violence in new (or old) cartoons...but the mouths on some of the newer characters, well; thats a different story...Fairly Odd Parents is one of a few officially banned at my house...I dont think new 'toons are advocating violence but they aren't doing much for promoting respect for adults...
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Reply #67 posted 07/09/06 6:40pm

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roodboi said:

...I don't have a problem with violence in new (or old) cartoons...but the mouths on some of the newer characters, well; thats a different story...Fairly Odd Parents is one of a few officially banned at my house...I dont think new 'toons are advocating violence but they aren't doing much for promoting respect for adults...


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Courage the Cowardly Dog was especially repugnant. I'm glad it's gone.
Nowadays, Ed, Edd & Eddy is banned at my house.
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Reply #68 posted 07/09/06 6:40pm

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luv4all7 said:

Spookymuffin said:



DISAGREE.
There is so much more to any mind than that. That's an incredibly simplistic and idealistic view of a child's brain. Many children react in exactly the opposite way, becoming more caring when they see violence. There is so much more to take into account. It's just....god it makes me angry when people blame TV for serial killers. disbelief


And I'm not blamin' TV for serial killers. I'm blaming childrens cartoons wit knives blood and ninjas and shit, for violence in children! lol



Nope, sorry. Ain't the case. I'm not saying kids should be watching 'R' rated movies, but only because it bothers them, not because they immitate what they're seeing. If kids are violent, it's more likely the result of neglected adult supervision, not because of cartoons or video games.

People don't give kids enough credit.
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Reply #69 posted 07/09/06 6:47pm

luv4all7

Xagain said:

luv4all7 said:



And I'm not blamin' TV for serial killers. I'm blaming childrens cartoons wit knives blood and ninjas and shit, for violence in children! lol



Nope, sorry. Ain't the case. I'm not saying kids should be watching 'R' rated movies, but only because it bothers them, not because they immitate what they're seeing. If kids are violent, it's more likely the result of neglected adult supervision, not because of cartoons or video games.

People don't give kids enough credit.



Sorry, I know what I've seen, and that's what I'm speaking from. Kids act out what they see. On TV or elsewhere!
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Reply #70 posted 07/09/06 6:47pm

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Terilicious said:

Wait, I should take back my highfive

I use "SpongeBoob" as a term of affection

You use it as a term of dejection (is that a word??)


Hmmmmph!

lol


lol Yup, I do use it as a term of dejection (because I can't stand Spongebob). Yes, dejection is a word. nod
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Reply #71 posted 07/09/06 6:47pm

roodboi

PurpleJedi said:

roodboi said:

...I don't have a problem with violence in new (or old) cartoons...but the mouths on some of the newer characters, well; thats a different story...Fairly Odd Parents is one of a few officially banned at my house...I dont think new 'toons are advocating violence but they aren't doing much for promoting respect for adults...


nod
Courage the Cowardly Dog was especially repugnant. I'm glad it's gone.
Nowadays, Ed, Edd & Eddy is banned at my house.

...yep, Courage was awful...and we too have ditched Ed, Edd & Eddy...
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Reply #72 posted 07/09/06 7:25pm

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Spongebob rocks!!

but I havn't seen the new episodes yet.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #73 posted 07/09/06 7:55pm

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PurpleJedi said:

Xagain said:



Uh, no.

Maybe maladjusted children that are surrounded by other poor influences. In which case, cartoons are just a scapegoat for parents who allow their children to be raised by television.


nod thumbs up! nod
In Japan, children watch horrifically violent cartoons. But their crime rate is not nearly as bad as ours. WHY?!?! Because the upbringing outweighs the external influences.
thumbs up! nod thumbs up!


In Canada we watch the same cartoons as the U.S., yet our crime rate is also significantly lower. Why?
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Reply #74 posted 07/10/06 5:51am

luv4all7

Xagain said:

luv4all7 said:



And I'm not blamin' TV for serial killers. I'm blaming childrens cartoons wit knives blood and ninjas and shit, for violence in children! lol



Nope, sorry. Ain't the case. I'm not saying kids should be watching 'R' rated movies, but only because it bothers them, not because they immitate what they're seeing. If kids are violent, it's more likely the result of neglected adult supervision, not because of cartoons or video games.

People don't give kids enough credit.



Maybe were not using the word "violence" to the same degree. I do not allow television to babysit my children. I consider violence any sort of physical contact or verbally anticipating physiclal contact.

My son is allowed to watch PBS and The Animal Planet. That's about it. I feel like Nickelodeon airs trash.

There was one day when I was VERY sick and my husband was hunting all day, and I could NOT get out of bed. My kids being the Angels they are must have sensed that, and they stayed in my bed with me all day. I had TV on for my son (Nickelodeon) and he was being unusually quiet. I was like, hmmmm, this ain't rite! I glance at the TV and there are people w/swords stabbing at eachother, blood gushin' and all. I immediatley turned it off. But I was too late, the effects were there.

Never before had my 2 1/2 year old used these actions, but he did after seeing that cartoon. Swatting around and copying this ninja garbage or whatever it was. (nothing against ninja's personally). After that he knew what a sword was, and he knew what stabbing was, kinda, I guess. I don't feel like that is appropriate for a child to see.

That would NOT have happened if he had not seen it on TV first. I consider that violence.
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Reply #75 posted 07/10/06 5:55am

Spookymuffin

PurpleJedi said:

roodboi said:

...I don't have a problem with violence in new (or old) cartoons...but the mouths on some of the newer characters, well; thats a different story...Fairly Odd Parents is one of a few officially banned at my house...I dont think new 'toons are advocating violence but they aren't doing much for promoting respect for adults...


nod
Courage the Cowardly Dog was especially repugnant. I'm glad it's gone.
Nowadays, Ed, Edd & Eddy is banned at my house.


Oh no! I thought Courage was class - that was SO surreal. Then again I watched it from 14, not from a young age.
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Reply #76 posted 07/10/06 5:56am

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luv4all7 said:

Xagain said:




Nope, sorry. Ain't the case. I'm not saying kids should be watching 'R' rated movies, but only because it bothers them, not because they immitate what they're seeing. If kids are violent, it's more likely the result of neglected adult supervision, not because of cartoons or video games.

People don't give kids enough credit.



Maybe were not using the word "violence" to the same degree. I do not allow television to babysit my children. I consider violence any sort of physical contact or verbally anticipating physiclal contact.

My son is allowed to watch PBS and The Animal Planet. That's about it. I feel like Nickelodeon airs trash.

There was one day when I was VERY sick and my husband was hunting all day, and I could NOT get out of bed. My kids being the Angels they are must have sensed that, and they stayed in my bed with me all day. I had TV on for my son (Nickelodeon) and he was being unusually quiet. I was like, hmmmm, this ain't rite! I glance at the TV and there are people w/swords stabbing at eachother, blood gushin' and all. I immediatley turned it off. But I was too late, the effects were there.

Never before had my 2 1/2 year old used these actions, but he did after seeing that cartoon. Swatting around and copying this ninja garbage or whatever it was. (nothing against ninja's personally). After that he knew what a sword was, and he knew what stabbing was, kinda, I guess. I don't feel like that is appropriate for a child to see.

That would NOT have happened if he had not seen it on TV first. I consider that violence.


Are you serious? That sounds like Ned Flanders's TV policy.



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Reply #77 posted 07/10/06 5:58am

Spookymuffin

luv4all7 said:

Xagain said:




Nope, sorry. Ain't the case. I'm not saying kids should be watching 'R' rated movies, but only because it bothers them, not because they immitate what they're seeing. If kids are violent, it's more likely the result of neglected adult supervision, not because of cartoons or video games.

People don't give kids enough credit.



Maybe were not using the word "violence" to the same degree. I do not allow television to babysit my children. I consider violence any sort of physical contact or verbally anticipating physiclal contact.

My son is allowed to watch PBS and The Animal Planet. That's about it. I feel like Nickelodeon airs trash.

There was one day when I was VERY sick and my husband was hunting all day, and I could NOT get out of bed. My kids being the Angels they are must have sensed that, and they stayed in my bed with me all day. I had TV on for my son (Nickelodeon) and he was being unusually quiet. I was like, hmmmm, this ain't rite! I glance at the TV and there are people w/swords stabbing at eachother, blood gushin' and all. I immediatley turned it off. But I was too late, the effects were there.

Never before had my 2 1/2 year old used these actions, but he did after seeing that cartoon. Swatting around and copying this ninja garbage or whatever it was. (nothing against ninja's personally). After that he knew what a sword was, and he knew what stabbing was, kinda, I guess. I don't feel like that is appropriate for a child to see.

That would NOT have happened if he had not seen it on TV first. I consider that violence.


If you're too protective for too long you're kids could end up more fucked up than if they were exposed to everything early.
Ed Gein was protected from everything to the day his mother died. He later became the basis for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
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Reply #78 posted 07/10/06 6:00am

luv4all7

My kids are not sheltered in the least. BUT I do not feel that cartoons with fighting and panty raids (SPONGEBOB) are healthy for a 3 year old. DO U?
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Reply #79 posted 07/10/06 6:03am

Spookymuffin

luv4all7 said:

My kids are not sheltered in the least. BUT I do not feel that cartoons with fighting and panty raids (SPONGEBOB) are healthy for a 3 year old. DO U?


I feel it's harmless fun, but cynnical british attitudes are very different from most american views. That's why we're perceived as mean - irony and sarcasm delivered in a british accent doesn't go down to well sometimes across the pond. lol
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Reply #80 posted 07/10/06 6:04am

luv4all7

Spookymuffin said:

luv4all7 said:

My kids are not sheltered in the least. BUT I do not feel that cartoons with fighting and panty raids (SPONGEBOB) are healthy for a 3 year old. DO U?


I feel it's harmless fun, but cynnical british attitudes are very different from most american views. That's why we're perceived as mean - irony and sarcasm delivered in a british accent doesn't go down to well sometimes across the pond. lol



Aw well, it's all good. My boy is a nutt anyway. Cartoons or not! lol
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Reply #81 posted 07/10/06 6:16am

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luv4all7 said:

My kids are not sheltered in the least. BUT I do not feel that cartoons with fighting and panty raids (SPONGEBOB) are healthy for a 3 year old. DO U?



Depends..... if the three year old is a boy, yes, it is most def. appropriate.
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Reply #82 posted 07/10/06 6:20am

luv4all7

jerseykrs said:

luv4all7 said:

My kids are not sheltered in the least. BUT I do not feel that cartoons with fighting and panty raids (SPONGEBOB) are healthy for a 3 year old. DO U?



Depends..... if the three year old is a boy, yes, it is most def. appropriate.



Don't try to act like U have kids or something. It's getting tired. neutral
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Reply #83 posted 07/10/06 6:21am

jerseykrs

luv4all7 said:

jerseykrs said:




Depends..... if the three year old is a boy, yes, it is most def. appropriate.



Don't try to act like U have kids or something. It's getting tired. neutral



My son held up the porn store on friday. God he's a handful sometimes. disbelief
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Reply #84 posted 07/10/06 6:23am

luv4all7

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Reply #85 posted 07/10/06 4:17pm

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luv4all7 said:

Xagain said:




Nope, sorry. Ain't the case. I'm not saying kids should be watching 'R' rated movies, but only because it bothers them, not because they immitate what they're seeing. If kids are violent, it's more likely the result of neglected adult supervision, not because of cartoons or video games.

People don't give kids enough credit.



Maybe were not using the word "violence" to the same degree. I do not allow television to babysit my children. I consider violence any sort of physical contact or verbally anticipating physiclal contact.

My son is allowed to watch PBS and The Animal Planet. That's about it. I feel like Nickelodeon airs trash.

There was one day when I was VERY sick and my husband was hunting all day, and I could NOT get out of bed. My kids being the Angels they are must have sensed that, and they stayed in my bed with me all day. I had TV on for my son (Nickelodeon) and he was being unusually quiet. I was like, hmmmm, this ain't rite! I glance at the TV and there are people w/swords stabbing at eachother, blood gushin' and all. I immediatley turned it off. But I was too late, the effects were there.

Never before had my 2 1/2 year old used these actions, but he did after seeing that cartoon. Swatting around and copying this ninja garbage or whatever it was. (nothing against ninja's personally). After that he knew what a sword was, and he knew what stabbing was, kinda, I guess. I don't feel like that is appropriate for a child to see.

That would NOT have happened if he had not seen it on TV first. I consider that violence.


lol

Ok, ok...I see what you mean. I thought we were talking about much older kids. You're right about that kind of stuff not really being cool for little 'uns, and if I had kids, I know I'd keep them from watching that stuff too. It is important for kids to be old enough to discern fantasy from reality before they be exposed to alot of stuff. I really wouldn't feel right about watching that kind of stuff with a toddler either. I was just picturing an 8 or 9 y.o. not being allowed to watch Bugs Bunny and stuff like that for fear he'd resort to a life of raping and pillaging.

When I was a kid we weren't even allowed to watched "Bewitched" because of the witchcraft stuff. smile
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Reply #86 posted 07/10/06 4:18pm

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jerseykrs said:

luv4all7 said:




Don't try to act like U have kids or something. It's getting tired. neutral



My son held up the porn store on friday. God he's a handful sometimes. disbelief

lol

Boys will be boys.
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