They both get 4 out of 5 stars. I've watched South Park many times, but this was my first time watching Brokeback... Loved them both!

I now wish I haden't watched Nip/Tuck

still very educational though so it's alright

same thing goes to the Three Days Grace video of Animal I Have Become .. I'm addicted

I thought "Brokeback Mountain" was about the worst movie I saw all year. Hated that flick.

Southpark is great, though.

I watched "Crash" last night. Great movie!

blame Canada~~~~

Xagain said:

Brokeback made me wanna cry but I was with my girlfriend so that wouldn't have been too cool.

ReturnofDOOK said:

actually dook, it would have been very cool if you did. btw, did she forgive you for the remark you made at the wedding you both went to?..i guess she did, cause she's still with you...?

ReturnofDOOK said:

i am a huge fan of both.

i still cant believe crash, a complete "Magnolia" rip off, won best picture over brokeback.

Are you joking? "Crash" was waaaaay better than BM. Infinitely better. I thought BM was offensive and embarrassing.

Xagain said:

well, if you have anti-gay beliefs, of course you are not gonna like brokeback.

crash had some good stuff, but overall it was a massive ripoff of magnolia, and the point, while good, has been made infinately better in far more original and superior movies.

cborgman said:

LOL I don't have any aint-gay beliefs. In fact, I'm pretty gay. That's WHY I was offended by BM. I never felt these two characters were in love. And that first so-called "love" scene...come ON! I've seen more romantic films about gang-rape. They were cruel to their wives and to their families. I felt as if it were the same as a bunch of white people in black-face doing a soft-shoe about black culture. THIS is what straight-people think a tragic gay love story is? I went into the theater expecting to see something really sincere and great, but when Jake stuck his ass in the air, there was no love between those two characters.

Sorry to rant. I just get burned up, especially when someone gay says Brokeback Mountain is a great film. No offense. It's just that when I saw the way people raved about this film and then saw it myself, I thought it was a telling depiction of straight ideas of homosexual relationships.

I haven't seen "Magnolia," but I added it to my Netflix queue. From the synopsis, I don't see how it's like "Crash." Please elaborate. The second half of "Crash" was incredibly powerful.

Xagain said:

my bad.

felt the love. it starts as purely physical, hence the sex scene (not really a love scene in my book) and then the love comes after.

it certainly isn't indicative of what a healthy gay relationship is, nor do i think it strives to be. the story is less about the relationship and more about all the outer and inner (in ennis' case) dogma that keeps it from progressing much as a relationship.

i cant say much about magnolia and how much crash stole from it without ruining magnolia for you. the structure of the movie, intercutting between many stories and characters connected to one another through mostly circmstance and pain, the suprise weather ending, the structure of the entire movie is stolen from magnolia. the details and the point is different, but strip away the detailing, and they're very similar.

cborgman said:

I have to agree. This type of relationship is going on in present day. It's a slice of life. I loved the movie also.

The thing I was ashamed of was the audience reaction. When I went to see it there was a group of gay guys that laughed when Ennis' wife saw Jack and Ennis kissing. I thought that was horrible. I was teary-eyed in that scene and these guys were laughing. They weren't teenagers either. They were men.


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ReturnofDOOK said:

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cborgman said:

Nah, that's cool. You are certainly not alone in loving that movie. In fact, my boyfriend and I seem to be the only ones who interpreted the film this way. Maybe we're the only ones who ever talked or played around before anyone's ass was in the air. My closest friends loved the film.

Xagain said:

it's hard to apply the behavior of a modern out gay man to the behavior of these characters who live in a very different part of history though, because our informed and unfearing viewpoints would present a very different set of circumstances than what they give themselves.

you have to see it from a perspective that while also gay, is very very different from that of yours and mine.

had ennis and jack been out, unfearing, and experienced that movie would be almost nothing like it is.
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MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Why were you teary-eyed? I felt her heart break, and I hated that Ennis would be that stupid. I felt more sympathy for her than I did either of those guys. I really felt her sense of betrayal.

Xagain said:

I feel the same way in that scene. I felt her pain, that's why I got teary-eyed. But, the only difference is that I DID love the movie. I do respect your opinion of the film though.


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cborgman said:

Or, it could have been the same film with 5-10 minutes added before that initial fuck. Some additional scene to really make us feel what those characters were feeling. It would have made all the difference, though I never really would have thought that the two were right in how they cheated on their wives and stuff.

Xagain said:

i cried. the ending scene really got me. kind of "don't know what you got till it's gone". the scene where jack's wife coldly parrots the fictional version of what happened to jack and seeing the reality also got me.

and i agree about the character of ennis' wife. partly that is because michelle williams performance is superior to jake glyenhalls. she and heath really steal the movie. jake and anne hathaway are effective, but not nearly as good.

Xagain said:

i doubt it. when apply the level of out and unfearing that you seem to exist in and i definately do, neither one would be married to the women to begin with, nor would ennis refuse to be with jake even after the divorce.

cborgman said:

Well, yeah, but didn't this film take place in the 60's-70's? Things weren't so bad then that two guys with more character couldn't have been true to themselves without hurting so many other people. True, you and I live in much better days, but they didn't have to make the choices they did. There were other alternatives. I guess my life could have turned out like their lives did if I hadn't gotten away and come out.

ReturnofDOOK said:

I'd give them both 3 out of 5 stars. I like the South Park movie more than I used to, and it made me laugh lots.

cborgman said:

Michelle Williams was great in that film. Heath was good, too, and you're right about Jake and Anne. Her wigs were especially bad.

Xagain said:

the camping trip is even pre stonewall, since it is 62.

Xagain said:

totally.

michelle and heath were awesome. incredible actors.
dont get me wrong, i like jake and anne, but they dont have a gift for it the way heath and michelle seem to

cborgman said:

True. And pre-"Hair."

Xagain said:

that too.

i'm chris by the way. i dont think weve ever really talked much

cborgman said:

John. I'm a long-time lurker.

Nice to meet you.
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Xagain said:

nice to meet you. welcome to the gd family