CinisterCee said:

Well if that's her way of making the big move she is going about it wrong. She should just jump me or something.

ZombieKitten said:

It has not been weeks. I think it was last weekend.

There is no such thing as "no games" in the dating world. The Dating scene is full of games.

shanti0608 said:

What would a "real man" do in this situation??

Spats said:

I do not believe in playing games. I do not think it is just one person's responsibility to make the move. If you have something to say or if theres a move you want to make you should do it. If there's something she wants to do or say- she should do it. Don't call me old fashioned when you do not know me. If I feel something for someone- they usually know it. I do not play silly games with my friends or lovers.
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Spats, if you are causing this much drama over this one chick who you aren't even in a relationship with, i'd hate to see your reaction when that one chick you will drool over one day has you by the balls...and everything that you stand for about women will just go out the window.....that happens when you fall in love.....

life is too short to be playing simple games with people...especially with women, because we are smarter...

shanti0608 said:

Well you were saying to "be a man" about it. You obviously old fashioned thoughts on what a "real man" is and what he should do. Most people especially women play games in the dating scene.

missfee said:

Yes, that's why women continually hook up with men that are bad for them. Because they are smarter.

If "Love" makes you throw out your principles then you are saying much for "love". A guy has hit an all time low if he allows a woman to have you by the balls. He might as well wear a dress. Because he is whipped.
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Spats said:

I believe that people should return phone calls, instead of avoiding out of fear of rejection.

The issue is no longer about her not making moves, it's about you being too afraid to call her back. She can't even get in touch with you now and you are going on and on and on about her not making a move, of her not just jumping you.

You're too afraid to even just talk to her on the phone.

This is just totally laughable now.

JustErin said:

You are right. But it's not because i am afraid. I just don't want any drama. And anytime i woman wants to talk there will be DRAMA involved.

I am gonna have to call her. When it gets to the point that me and my buddies are disagreeing then there is a problem.

This is not gonna be fun.
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Spats said:

you should try being with men. the never talk. and there's never any drama. ever.

Spats,

Here are a few simple rules to follow in life if you want to be happy.

1. Never Settle
2. Never be pressured by friends or family members to do something you don't want to do.
3. Doubt means Don't Do It!

Life is precious and you do not want to tie yourself down to anyone who is always:

1. complaining (this is where the headaches come from)
2. whining (it's so two-years-old)
3. manipulative (playing on your emotions to get you to do something that doesn't interest you)

I give the following information to all my male friends since I have a wealth of information when it comes to relationship counseling:

You don't need the drama. A relationship is about two people, not one. If it becomes about one, it's unbalanced and over. Therefore, you have no option but to kick that female to the curb... for your own happiness. Don't play the "what if" game. Just let it go. Everything happens for a reason and people are only in our lives so that we may learn and grown to a higher level.

By the way, dating means you can see other people. You're only putting fillers out to see if you are compatible with an individual.

JasmineFire said:

dude.. I live with people that don't talk, it's nothing but drama over here


now where did that script go anyway?

JustErin said:

I called. Just got her voice mail. Apologized for not calling sooner. She's away for the long weekend with some of her friends.

incognito said:

1. I never settle.
2. I did not buckle under pressure from my buddies. It's just that when guys like them think i had gone to far. Then i probably had.
3. Usually Doubt means that but i left a message saying i would call her last week. I owed her a phone call.

4. She is not a complainer. (Not yet anyways)
5. She is not a whiner. (Not yet anyways.)
6. She is not manipulative. (Not yet anyways.)

You don't usually find this stuff out about women until after you have nailed them.

I appreciate the advice though. I agree with a lot of it.
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Spats said:

Hopefully she'll meet a guy who won't jerk her around so much

CalhounSq said:

Playing hard to get is jerking around? What is it called when a girl won't make the big move?

Spats said:

"Not interested".

JustErin said:

No, it's called just being a woman. Keeping the tradition alive.

Spats said:

If you don't expect her to make the big move, WHY are you trying this little experiment??? Obviously you don't think it's gonna work so why do it? Is it your passive aggressive way of staying single while blaming it on the woman? Maybe you just wanna stay with your hand instead of a thinking being who can choose not to make the big move on your uninteresting ass.

You are tiresome... & bordering on pathetic...

CalhounSq said:

Because it has worked. It has just been taking longer with her.

I would just like to offer my 2 cents, being a woman in my mid-30's, if this does not work out for you, I suggest you mightwant to seek your needs from a woman who is aware of her sexual needs and desires and is confident with her sexuality, not afraid to say what she wants, when she wants it or how. These are the women in the 30's, at their sexual peak, not the young women in their 20's who are still trying to have their first orgasm.

I honestly believe that once women experience orgasm, sexuality and their expressions for sexuality develops and matures.

Right now, this woman you are not having much luck with sexually is still very timid and conditioned by our gender roles or just has not had the BIG O yet. If she has had the BIG O, and she ain't gettin' it from you, then obviously someone is taking care of it . . . . .

4everYoung said:

I have no idea what sex has been like for her in the past. We have not talked about that stuff and i don't think she is getting it somewhere else while we have been sort of dating. She is not a skank. I would not call her timid either. She was the one that gave me her number. After i did not call her back right away she called me and asked me out. She intiated our first hug. She touches me a lot. She calls me. We just have not got to making out or sacktime. I guess she wants me to make those moves.

I am not into older women.

A lot of it also has to do with women's need for romance . . . women need romance and men need sex if you remember psychology class. So how romantic would it be for your girl to have to make the first move?? Not very romantic. If you think of it that way, instead of assuming women should have to taste their own medicine, which is completely off-base, then you will get somewhere.

Most real men understand a woman's need for romance and would never think twice about having the pressure of "making the first move". Asking a woman out on a date is very flattering for a woman, even if she does reject you, she will gush about it afterwards . . . .

Spats said:

I doubt you're going to just run into her. She can't even get you on the fucking phone!

CinisterCee said:

he has probably not even given her his address

CinisterCee said:

Oh Snap

notoriousj said:

namsayin'??

CinisterCee said:

I agree

4everYoung said:

Well at least there is thought behind your response. Better than the usual "You are a f**ktard" routine.

I realize women need that romantic BS. That's one of their faults. But i am not a romantic person. Romance is for sissy boys. What's wrong with believing that women should have a taste of their own medicine for a change. I believe that. Women risk nothing on the dating scene. Guys do all the risking. Being moved on is very flattering and a turn on for me too.