Spats said:

Okay, so I totally only read like the first page and the last page of this thread, but it's been floating around 4EVER.

But about what U just said Spats, U were rite on, about the bringing your daughter up with modern day values.

That is the problem with a lot of women rite now. They weren't expected to be anything but a debutant house wife. In that way they were brought up to be dependant on a man for everything. All it does is hurt a lot of these women in the long run. Nothing is theirs, and they are left living to cater to their husbands and children, with really no other direction.

I don't know what you wrote through out the rest of the thread that has everybody so worked up, but U were rite on with that last bit.

Spats said:

I took the liberty to add you to the National Never Allowed to Breed List. Society is polluted enough as it is.

Spats said:

luv4all7 said:

I hope you are joking when you said that....if not hell has frozen over and guys get more about women year after year

Spats said:

I'm not saying that she is not interested in you, she obviously likes you...but the fact of the matter is she has lots of options and if she decides that you are too high maintenance, she can easily find someone new.

And really, you have no idea whether she is looking elsewhere or not. She's not gonna make that obvious.

notoriousj said:

Not joking. I said that's the problem with SOME women.

luv4all7 said:

Hopefully all of the relatively new mama's out there are raising their daughters right or nothing is going to change. And in 20 years they will still be expecting the guy to do all pursuing,etc, etc.

JustErin said:

Exactly. Most women are not good at putting those signals out.

Spats said:

Well now ya just lost me. My daughter ain't gonna be calling ANY guy. He will call her, or that's his darn loss.

BUT! She will be taught to develop HER life FIRST, then worry about a incorporating a man into. Not vice versa.

Spats said:

Why should she? You guys are nothing yet.

JustErin said:

Why should she what?

Spats said:

Why would she let you know that she is keeping her options open while you guys are basically nothing?

JustErin said:

Well, she seemed to think we were something sorta or else she would not have brought up me going out with guys trolling for women at the clubs.

luv4all7 said:

Why don't you want her calling any guy? Wrong way of thinking.

ASKING A WOMAN ON A DATE IS..

Giving in! Brilliant.

Listen Spats, the likes of INSATIABLE and 4everYoung have dropped some wisdom that you'll do well to receive.

papaa said:

It is. It's what women want and expect men to do. I prefer for them to do it so i am giving in when i do it.

Spats said:

Because she is gonna have some non "modern day" ettiquete (can't spell) and NOT asking guys out is gonna be one of them.

She will be treated like the Queen that she is.

If she likes a guy flirting till he asks her out will do. She doesn't need to ask him.

luv4all7 said:

Well then you are contributing to one of women's major problems. Women are not gonna progress at all still doing that stuff. And guys are still gonna have to do that stupid shit until the end of time.

Spats said:

Some stuff is just better left untouched.

My daughter will be educated, and taught to have morals, and to set HIGH standards. But she is NOT gonna be taught to chase around some dumb guy.

If she likes the guy, she can get him to ask her out.

luv4all7 said:

How about if people like someone they just ask them out, both guy or girl. That is truly "modern day" thinking.

Waiting around for someone to make a move is just silly...regardless of who is doing the waiting.

JustErin said:

Tell women that because they are doing the waiting 90% of the time.

luv4all7 said:

Why should it be left untouched. Women want it both ways then. They want to be "equal" but they still want guys to do all the work. That's wrong.

JustErin said:

Yeah, it is pretty silly, I guess.
But I just want my daughter to have the mind set, that SHE is PRECIOUS, and to good to ask a guy out.

luv4all7 said:

I have yet to meet a woman who is precious.

Spats said:

Equality doesn't equal asking a guy out necessarily. I still think women should be pampered by their man.

AND AS OTHERS HERE HAVE TOLD YOU...

Some women prefer a guy to take the initiative, show some leadership, and make the move. You won't be surprised to learn that women aren't attracted to wussies who sit around sending mixed signals and waiting for things to happen.

Your 'methods' may have worked in the past but your strike rate with women is almost certainly very low. If all you want is 'sacktime' on the regular then there are more successful ways of going about your business. Running away whenever your girl calls and taking refuge in the Org ain't one of them.

Don't be afraid to be a man.

Spats said:

luv4all7 said:

Yes it does. It's doing all the things men do. Women only want to do some of the things. Not many.

Spats said:

Okay.
But when ya do, I bet YOU'LL ask HER out.
Which is my point.

papaa said:

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Most women prefer it. They would rather be the wussies sending out mix signals.

I am a man. I do what i want, when i want. Whenever i want and for as long as want. And i don't take crap from women.

luv4all7 said:

They don't exist.