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Reply #30 posted 06/24/06 10:41am

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origmnd said:

..and STILL this thread remains open?

If it was about jews or blacks or gays it would've been shut down...


Somethings REALLY wrong goin on around here.

You're all out of order. Best anyone could up with is S&M references and tissues?


I posted a mysogyny thread (an educational tool) a while ago which was immediately deleted.

hmmm

Post a thread for mysogyny = thumbs up!
Post a thread against mysogyny = lockdance

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Reply #31 posted 06/24/06 10:45am

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hmmm Shall we try it again?

Forms of misogyny

There are many different forms of misogyny. In its most overt expression, a misogynist will openly hate all women simply because they are female. Some sexual predators may fall into this category.

Other forms of misogyny may be more subtle. Some misogynists may simply be prejudiced against all women, or may hate women who don't fall into one or more acceptable categories. Entire cultures may be said to be misogynist if they treat women in ways that can be seen as harmful. Examples include forcing women to tend to all domestic responsibilities, demanding silence from a woman, or beating a woman. Subscribers to one model, the mother/whore dichotomy, hold that women can only be "mothers" or "whores." Another variant is the virgin/whore dichotomy--in which women who do not adhere to a saintly standard of moral purity are considered "whores."

Frequently the term misogynist is used in a looser sense as a term of derision to describe anyone who holds an unpopular or distasteful view about women as a group. A man who considers himself "a great lover of women," therefore, might somewhat paradoxically be termed a misogynist by those who consider his treatment of women sexist. Archetypes of this type of man might be Giacomo Casanova (a historical figure) and Don Juan (fictional character), who were both reputed for their many libertine affairs with women. While a "seducer" like Casanova or Don Juan might appear outwardly charming and to enjoy the company of women, many do not, at root, respect women or find them interesting as anything besides sex objects. (In Kingsley Amis's 1965 study of the James Bond novels, The James Bond Dossier, he notes that critics are not really paying attention to the actual novels when they accuse Bond of being a libertine or womanizer; Bond has one romantic affair per book and is invariably willing to risk his life to protect his lover. He is more a chivalrous knight who engages in love affairs -- like Gawain -- than a cold-hearted seducer.)

Misogyny is a negative attitude towards women as a group, and as such need not fully determine a misogynist's attitude towards each individual woman. The fact that someone holds misogynist views may not prevent them from having positive relationships with some women. Conversely, simply having positive relationships with some women does not necessarily mean someone does not also hold misogynist views.
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Misogyny in philosophy and religion

Many religions and philosophies contain what could be called misogyny. Paul insisted that women should not talk in church ("women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says." -1 Cor 14:34 NIV).

During the Millennium Jubilee, Pope John Paul II issued an apology for all the past sins of the Roman Catholic Church, dividing the sins into seven categories. Amongst general sins, sins in service of the truth, sins against Christian unity, sins against Jews, sins against respect of love, peace and culture, and sins against human rights, he also apologized for sins against the dignity of women and minorities.

In certain forms of Hinduism (mostly in mediaeval times, although some still follow this), the Laws of Manu made women incapable of ever being independent. At times in Indian history, it was customary for a woman to jump onto the funeral pyre of her husband (this was technically a voluntary practice, although many women jumped simply because of tradition or social pressure) (see "sati").

In Islam, some interpretations of Sharia law forbid women to show any part of their body in public except their face, hands or the top of their feet. There is, however, wide disagreement from followers of these religions that these various teachings are misogynistic. These teachings were based on a particular hadith that told about how Muhammad gave fashion advice to a particular woman. The Quran itself offered a much more relaxed dress code to women in general.

The 16th century Protestant reformer John Knox wrote a book called The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women in which he argued against the ability of women to govern.

Some of the most famous philosophers exhibited misogyny at times. Arthur Schopenhauer, in a very sophisticated epistemological discussion in his main work, included the sentence, "Reason is feminine in nature: it can only give after it has received". Nietzsche is known for arguing that every higher form of civilisation implied stricter controls on women [Beyond Good and Evil, 7:238]; he frequently insulted women, but is best known for the phrases, "Women are less than shallow", "Woman was God's second blunder," and "Are you going to women? Do not forget the whip!" Napoleon, Machiavelli, Aristotle, Tolstoy and even the progressive Rousseau were also known for making such comments about women. (It should also be noted, however, that philosophers such as Pythagoras, John Stuart Mill, Friedrich Engels, Fyodor Dostoyevsky and Henry George supported feminism.)

The philosopher Otto Weininger would have to be a contender for the greatest as well as one of the most influential of all misogynists. In his book Sex and Character (1903) he characterized the "woman" part of each individual as being essentially "nothing", and having no real existence, having no effective consciousness or rationality. Weininger says, "No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them." The author August Strindberg praised Weininger for probably having solved the hardest of all problems, the "woman problem".

In more recent times Dave Sim, acclaimed independent comic book creator, has produced a significant misogynist literature, characterizing women as "The Merged Void"[1].
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Misogyny in language

Many slang terms that refer to women are considered offensive by some women; such terms have existed throughout history, and change over time. These terms aren't only used by some men, they are also used by some women. Some of those common in contemporary usage are:

* Airhead: demeaning way to address a woman. Commonly said to a girl or a woman considered to be lacking in intelligence, implying that there's only air in her head.
* Babe: A diminutive or familiar way to address a woman. More commonly said to a partner, in a similar way to "honey" or baby. Babe is a derivate of the word baby.
* Bimbo: demeaning way to address a woman. Commonly said to a woman considered to be lacking in intelligence or a woman considered to be sexually attractive or both. Bimbo is the Italian word for baby, which might apply to a male baby (Bimba is the Italian word for a female baby) or baby in general. It was originially used to refer a prostitute working for an Italian organized crime organisation. It's still used by Italians much as the same way as Babe or Baby used by North Americans.
* Bird: British English, some women see it as demeaning. Also commonly used in modern Ireland and Australia where it is not considered very demeaning.
* Chick: literally a young chicken or young bird of any kind, this term is mildly offensive to some women who interpret it to be infantilizing or objectifying; it is chiefly an Americanism. It is sometimes claimed that the usage derives from the Spanish chica (girl), but neither the Oxford English Dictionary nor Merriam-Webster supports this derivation. The word chick was used in a gender-neutral sense to mean "human child" at least as early as the 14th century. The popularity of the usage in North America may, nonetheless, be due in part to its similarity to the Spanish word.
* Sheila: used in Australia.
* Skeezer: used in some hip-hop recordings.


In some cultural groups, terms considered extremely offensive to most women (e.g., bitch, cunt, or ho) are used to refer to women in general. Many terms that refer to women's physical appearance (e.g., hottie, a sexually attractive woman) see wide use, but many consider them to imply sexual objectification.
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Further readings

* Katharine M. Rogers, The Troublesome Helpmate: A History of Misogyny in Literature (1966)
* Mary Ellmann, Thinking About Women (1968)
* Molly Haskell, From Reverence to Rape: The Treatment of Women in the Movies, University of Chicago Press 1987 (First Edition 1974)
* Joan Smith, Misogynies (1989, revised 1993)
* Gilmore, David D, Misogyny: the Male Malady (2001)


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Reply #32 posted 06/24/06 11:14am

origmnd

heartbeatocean said:

origmnd said:

..and STILL this thread remains open?

If it was about jews or blacks or gays it would've been shut down...


Somethings REALLY wrong goin on around here.

You're all out of order. Best anyone could up with is S&M references and tissues?


I posted a mysogyny thread (an educational tool) a while ago which was immediately deleted.

hmmm

Post a thread for mysogyny = thumbs up!
Post a thread against mysogyny = lockdance

hmm


There's no real logic to open and closed threads anymore.
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Reply #33 posted 06/24/06 12:12pm

Anx

someone should start a thread about hot chicks with big gazongae.
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Reply #34 posted 06/24/06 12:15pm

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...you pleasured? good. the kleenex is that way. arrow


I have to say...


I'd fuck that hole! nod
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Reply #35 posted 06/24/06 10:01pm

Spats

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And men should not stoop to doing that. Have some damn standards when it comes to where you will put your mouth.


True. Despite all the evidence to the contrary in that respect, some men would have much better success at getting sacktime if they shut their mouths. smile


I have had no trouble getting sacktime from anything i have said.
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Reply #36 posted 06/24/06 11:24pm

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this dude cracks me the fuck up! As rediculous as it may sound...I think some catholic priests should loosen up their collars and add a cpl of cursewords to their sermons everynow and then. It might add some dynamic to the boring ass sevice.

Holly fucking shit God loves all his children... lol
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Reply #37 posted 06/26/06 7:50pm

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lol
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