Novabreaker said:

We know.
http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_3707018

Novabreaker said:

I think it was the combo of Smokin weed/makin beats/getting a welfare check that kind of insinuated something else.

Well jokes aside, societies are different. And the Northern European countries certainly are a lot different to the US what comes to how people manage to pull off together their monthly income (especially students, as we have a public higher education system here and students basically live on a form of "welfare" all throughout their studying years anyway). I really was just joking at my own current situation, as I didn't really think I'd be still continuing this lifestyle anymore after I went to University. But here I go again.

However, getting back to the original setting of the thread: it's often a very repressed fact all throughout the Western societies that musicians have to usually rely on welfare in order to get through their first professional years. And many who try that career will have to live on welfare periodically if there is no other form of income. This happens between tours and albums, the same thing for the engineering professionals who often have a hard time finding a new place to work at if they get laid off from one studio. It's one of the sides of the rock music industry that nobody wants to talk about in public because it's not a media-sexy issue. But it certainly is the reality, even if nobody talks about it.

I've worked with hundreds of these youngers trying to make it in the industry, and it really saddens me that no society in the whole world (except maybe for Sweden) take into account young artists' financial troubles. It's not the most common path of life to choose and there's no established support system to back up their life choices anywhere in the world. It makes a lot of youngsters very confused and causes them unnecessary stress, not to mention self-esteem issues.

Just my thoughts.
[Edited 6/22/06 12:08pm]

Novabreaker said:

Cool. Thanks for sharing that with us.

lol! how did I miss this thread.

Cinister Cee (beatmaker)

I have a CD and I make beats for rappers in my city. So how's that?

I also have a full time job.

I realized years ago I wasn't going to make enough money to support myself on even the type of music I wanted to make back then, so I decided to make the shift to even more obscure musical styles that I am definitely never going to get rich of. The dream of being a successful, professional pop/rock musician is definitely dead on my part, and I don't view those years as anything more than wasted time.

I should have studied, had steady jobs and built a respectable job history (it's really hard for me to write a CV even to this day), tried my hand at proper relationships with women - but I sort of just fucked it up for years. I'm still paying the price, altough I'm perfectly happy with the smaller musical endeavours I am involved in these days. Of course, I still have my chances of becoming a professional recording engineer if I want to, but I'm not sure anymore if that's what I desire for a consolation price.

XxAxX said:

Of course man....