Heiress said:

Very well spoken

But I guess Spats doesn't want to be loved, he just wants to get laid.

(ps Spats, if you act like trash, you'll be treated as such)

Spats said:

Your such a shallow person....Good luck to you..
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Spats said:

Some who have managed to live their lives without relying on looks alone (and this doesn't necessarily mean they are ugly either). They are not trying to attract who only thinks they are there to be HOT, but appreciate them for themselves.

Heiress said:

What if the guy does not want marriage and kids? the only time women are looking for nice guys is when they are looking for marriage and kids and by that time they are usually in their 30's and past their prime. When they are not hot anymore and are ready to settle down for the long ride down. This guy is in his early twenties. Women his age are not planning marriage and kids yet.They are wanting to have fun and exciting times.

Spats said:

Do people always set out in life w/ definite plans and expectations? Can't we just take life as it comes, and seize interesting opportunities?

And who "plans" to fall in love & marry. It just kind of happens.

Maybe you're just surrounded by some pretty boring people; I don't know where you get these ideas about life being boring after marriage and children.

As far as being "hot or not," in France it's a point of honor and a mark of respect to the opposite sex to maintain one's good looks as one ages, but I think we're launching in another direction w/ this.

Heiress said:

No such thing as an exciting marriage. And when it comes to kids, your whole life becomes about waiting on them. Cleaning up their shit and spit. You can't do whatever you want anymore. You have become limited in what you can do. Handcuffed. I never want to handcuffed in life.

Millions of women set out to get married and have kids. it is planned.

Spats said:

Freedom is a delusion. If you are part of the commercial system, you are a slave to money and so many other things.

Being a slave to love is much preferable to me.

Spats said:

Some who have managed to live their lives without relying on looks alone (and this doesn't necessarily mean they are ugly either). They are not trying to attract who only thinks they are there to be HOT, but appreciate them for themselves.

Spats said:

Nah, this is real life! I don't know about short-term relationships, but an intelligent woman chooses a "nice guy" for a husband and father for her children, because he'll be there for her in the long run.

ZombieKitten said:

This is true. But the people who fly by on looks sometimes can't help it.....do u think "good lookin'" chics LIKE to get called BARBIE and be reduced to JUST a pretty face!?!?!

HELL NO!

But if that's how the world treats u for so long, that's how you begin to see yourself.....

Heiress said:

Not neccesarily! Some "nice guys" turn out to be the meanest M er F ers around, and you don't find out till it's too late!

shanti0608 said:

What is the proper way to treat a woman?

luv4all7 said:

But then, he's not a 'nice guy'.

CarrieMpls said:

Honey, guyz r smarter thatn we give 'em credit 4. Some of them anyway. Some guyz don't show their true colors till ur stuck w/him and bein' the mother of his children.

luv4all7 said:

But then, he's not a 'nice guy'.

luv4all7 said:

seems to me that that would be a good time to look back and see if there were signs that were overlooked.

CarrieMpls said:

This is why I agree with Spats when he talks about love being hard to find. A lot of people are so preoccupied with being in love/a relationship (for whatever reason) that they will play the game, pretend to be something they really aren't just to get someone to be with them. Then once they feel they've got that person secured in a relationship their true colours begin to shine. Women and men are guilty of this.

I can see why some people equate being in love with being manipulated.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I would agree. You make it seem as if there are loads of assholes posing as nice guys just to get a woman to marry them. I truly don't belive that is the case. I admit, I don't date a lot, but of all of the men I've dated, most of them genuinely were nice guys. It just didn't work out for whatever reason. I hope that continues to be the case in the men I date in the future. Aside from the not-working out part.

CarrieMpls said:

i know you'll find a fantastic guy that's just perfect for you!

CarrieMpls said:

i know you'll find a fantastic guy that's just perfect for you!

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I agree
She deserves a wondeful man, she is a great lady..

JustErin said:

wow.

I've truly never had this experience. Nor has anyone I've known gone through this, that I"m aware of.

That must be awful.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

someday my prince will come, eh?



It would be really, really, nice. But I'm preparing for a lifetime alone all the same. Best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. And being alone isn't even the worst, really. I'd rather be alone than be with someone just for the sake of being with someone.

Well, maybe signs do get over looked or maybe some girlz are just wired to pick men who are A-holes. Whatever the case it happens. And I don't think ANYONE.....Hawt or Not chooses to make babies w/a guy who ruins her life!

And like Erin sasid, some people just don't show their TRUE COLORZ till they have the person IN!

luv4all7 said:

Women have been picking assholes over nice guys for generations. Moms pass it down to duaghters. It's in their nature.

Spats said:

Wih respect and dignity- not like a piece of meat or a toy..
I guess it could be different for different woman.We are all different and have different needs.
Guess you have to have enough respect and patience to find out what the other person needs and wants- a real man does that!

I have a comment about looks-
I was set up a long time ago on a blind date. He was a beach volleyball player- blonde hair, blue eyes- great body. He turned out to be a complete ass in the end. In the beginning- I thought he was gorgeous but the more I got to know him- the uglier he became to me.
So- to me looks aren't everything in the very beginning..a hot guy can turn ugly with his personality.


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