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Reply #780 posted 06/29/06 8:23am

july

Column: When players rule, anarchy ensues



http://seattlepi.nwsource..._Grip.html

By SIMON HAYDON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

BERLIN -- Every soccer referee is taught that one of his main jobs is to ensure player safety. When the players show they can't control themselves, the referee must do it for them.

Unfortunately, Valentin Ivanov couldn't handle that essential chore Sunday, when Portugal played the Netherlands in the second round of the World Cup.

The result? A 1-0 win for Portugal, but also 16 yellow cards and four reds, equaling the record for most cards handed out in a World Cup game and setting a mark for expulsions in a single tournament match.

At this rate, the 2006 World Cup would finish with 352 yellow cards - 5.5 per game - and 28 reds.

That compares with 272 yellows and 17 reds handed out at the 2002 tournament and 258 yellows and 22 reds given out at France 1998.

On Monday Spanish referee Luis Medina handed out six yellow cards and one red - sending off Italy's Marco Materazzi - in Italy's 1-0 victory over Australia. The win was achieved thanks to a penalty kick given 12 seconds from the end of injury time.

So 297 yellow cards and 24 reds have now been handed out at Germany 2006, with no sign of curtailment.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter criticized the Russian referee's handling of the game, saying it was inconsistent and that he deserved a yellow card himself.

That's as clear a hint as possible from the FIFA boss that Ivanov, the son of a famous former international striker for the Soviet Union, will soon be on his way back to his full-time profession as a university teacher in Moscow and, like England's Graham Poll, will probably not be needed any more in Germany 2006.

It's not as if players didn't know they needed to be on their best behavior in Germany. FIFA announced a clampdown on elbowing, diving, shirt-pulling and delaying restarts before the tournament, and players were briefed at meetings just before the start of the World Cup.

Most of the games in Germany have been played in good spirit, although United States vs. Italy, Croatia vs. Australia and Sunday's match have been the high-profile exceptions in which violence and red cards were on display.

The first half-hour of Sunday's match gave only one indication it was going to be anything other than a tense clash between two excellent teams.

In the seventh minute, the Netherlands' Khalid Boulahrouz made what appeared to be an attempt to kick Portugal's most talented player, Cristiano Ronaldo, out of the game. He succeeded.

Ronaldo never recovered from the brutal challenge and limped off the field in tears 25 minutes later, having been reduced to jogging pace.

Should Ivanov have shown Boulahrouz a red card? The challenge clearly fell under the category of "serious foul play" and filled all the conditions referees use to decide if a player should be sent off. And a red card at that point of the match might have sent a crucial message to the players that violence was not going to be permitted.

Instead, the game gradually disintegrated into anarchy.

Portugal's Costinha was carded for a crude challenge, then sent off for deliberately handling the ball. And that was just in the first half. The last 30 minutes of the second period were marred by nonstop fouls and intimidation by both teams.

Most referees will argue that the failure to send off Boulahrouz and to stamp his authority on the game was Ivanov's only serious mistake. In fact, the first 35 minutes of the match were relatively calm, with just three yellow cards handed out, about average for the tournament.

But Ivanov was forced to react to the players' bad behavior rather than being able to predict and control it.

The first 14 minutes of the second half were free-flowing and compelling soccer. No cards were shown and the referee should have been enjoying the match.

Then, in one incident, it all went wrong. As Ivanov booked Giovanni von Bronckhorst for tripping, players milled about arguing and, behind the referee's back, Portugal captain Luis Figo clearly head-butted Mark van Bommel. The assistant ref saw something, but Figo only received a yellow card for what was clearly a red-card offense.

From then on, both teams lost control and the final whistle was a relief. It would have been no surprise if both teams had finished with eight men rather than the nine they wound up with.

Portugal clearly had an interest in disrupting the match as much as possible, preventing the Dutch from finding any rhythm. Portugal coach Luiz Felipe Scolari is a wily fox and sought to use every means available to stop the Netherlands from building up any pressure.

Ivanov is no newcomer. He has refereed a Champions League semifinal between Inter Milan and AC Milan, and the final of FIFA's Confederations Cup. At 45, he is the oldest ref in the World Cup.

If Ivanov was allowed to justify himself in public - which all refs are discouraged from doing - it's pretty certain he would say there comes a point when soccer players decide they want to behave like animals. And one man with a whistle can't do much to stop them.

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Associated Press Writer Simon Haydon is a licensed referee in England.
[Edited 6/29/06 8:27am]
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Reply #781 posted 06/29/06 8:28am

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july said:

Column: When players rule, anarchy ensues



http://seattlepi.nwsource..._Grip.html

By SIMON HAYDON
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

BERLIN -- Every soccer referee is taught that one of his main jobs is to ensure player safety. When the players show they can't control themselves, the referee must do it for them.

Unfortunately, Valentin Ivanov couldn't handle that essential chore Sunday, when Portugal played the Netherlands in the second round of the World Cup.

The result? A 1-0 win for Portugal, but also 16 yellow cards and four reds, equaling the record for most cards handed out in a World Cup game and setting a mark for expulsions in a single tournament match.

At this rate, the 2006 World Cup would finish with 352 yellow cards - 5.5 per game - and 28 reds.

That compares with 272 yellows and 17 reds handed out at the 2002 tournament and 258 yellows and 22 reds given out at France 1998.

On Monday Spanish referee Luis Medina handed out six yellow cards and one red - sending off Italy's Marco Materazzi - in Italy's 1-0 victory over Australia. The win was achieved thanks to a penalty kick given 12 seconds from the end of injury time.

So 297 yellow cards and 24 reds have now been handed out at Germany 2006, with no sign of curtailment.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter criticized the Russian referee's handling of the game, saying it was inconsistent and that he deserved a yellow card himself.

That's as clear a hint as possible from the FIFA boss that Ivanov, the son of a famous former international striker for the Soviet Union, will soon be on his way back to his full-time profession as a university teacher in Moscow and, like England's Graham Poll, will probably not be needed any more in Germany 2006.

It's not as if players didn't know they needed to be on their best behavior in Germany. FIFA announced a clampdown on elbowing, diving, shirt-pulling and delaying restarts before the tournament, and players were briefed at meetings just before the start of the World Cup.

Most of the games in Germany have been played in good spirit, although United States vs. Italy, Croatia vs. Australia and Sunday's match have been the high-profile exceptions in which violence and red cards were on display.

The first half-hour of Sunday's match gave only one indication it was going to be anything other than a tense clash between two excellent teams.

In the seventh minute, the Netherlands' Khalid Boulahrouz made what appeared to be an attempt to kick Portugal's most talented player, Cristiano Ronaldo, out of the game. He succeeded.

Ronaldo never recovered from the brutal challenge and limped off the field in tears 25 minutes later, having been reduced to jogging pace.

Should Ivanov have shown Boulahrouz a red card? The challenge clearly fell under the category of "serious foul play" and filled all the conditions referees use to decide if a player should be sent off. And a red card at that point of the match might have sent a crucial message to the players that violence was not going to be permitted.

Instead, the game gradually disintegrated into anarchy.

Portugal's Costinha was carded for a crude challenge, then sent off for deliberately handling the ball. And that was just in the first half. The last 30 minutes of the second period were marred by nonstop fouls and intimidation by both teams.

Most referees will argue that the failure to send off Boulahrouz and to stamp his authority on the game was Ivanov's only serious mistake. In fact, the first 35 minutes of the match were relatively calm, with just three yellow cards handed out, about average for the tournament.

But Ivanov was forced to react to the players' bad behavior rather than being able to predict and control it.

The first 14 minutes of the second half were free-flowing and compelling soccer. No cards were shown and the referee should have been enjoying the match.

Then, in one incident, it all went wrong. As Ivanov booked Giovanni von Bronckhorst for tripping, players milled about arguing and, behind the referee's back, Portugal captain Luis Figo clearly head-butted Mark van Bommel. The assistant ref saw something, but Figo only received a yellow card for what was clearly a red-card offense.

From then on, both teams lost control and the final whistle was a relief. It would have been no surprise if both teams had finished with eight men rather than the nine they wound up with.

Portugal clearly had an interest in disrupting the match as much as possible, preventing the Dutch from finding any rhythm. Portugal coach Luiz Felipe Scolari is a wily fox and sought to use every means available to stop the Netherlands from building up any pressure.

Ivanov is no newcomer. He has refereed a Champions League semifinal between Inter Milan and AC Milan, and the final of FIFA's Confederations Cup. At 45, he is the oldest ref in the World Cup.

If Ivanov was allowed to justify himself in public - which all refs are discouraged from doing - it's pretty certain he would say there comes a point when soccer players decide they want to behave like animals. And one man with a whistle can't do much to stop them.

---

Associated Press Writer Simon Haydon is a licensed referee in England.
[Edited 6/29/06 8:27am]


Had Scotland been at the World Cup, none of this would've happened.

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Reply #782 posted 06/29/06 9:08am

abierman

calldapplwondery83 said:

Alright, forget that! All the time I thought you were German for some reason, but you're Dutch! lol


You prayers won't be heard, though. hmph!



lol I'm dutch alright.....I've lived a couple of years in Munich and loved it. I also have a lot of german friends there who I like to visit. But when it comes to football, no, I will not support the german team at any time! I totally dislike the way the german team plays, I hate the arrogance of it and the arrogance of the german supporters (also shown with my friends!). Before the Worldcup, the german people would have loved to have lynched the german coach Klinsmann. Now, after the germans have defeated a couple of minor football countries with a B-status, the whole of Germany already claim their worldcup and Klinsmann is next to God.....
Tomorrow they'll play Argentina, the german supporters tend to forget that Argentina is their very first real opponent in this tournament.....The argentines are wizards with the football, Germany needs to have a lesson taught! I hope that Argentina will play as well as they did against Serbia and Mexico.....Germany will not stand a chance!
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Reply #783 posted 06/29/06 10:18am

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Well, I think the way we play has changed quite a bit recently. I agree of course that the hype about Klinsmann is a bit superficial, but it's no new thing that the public view changes quite fast.
We were 2nd in 2002 and the enthusiasm wasn't quite as big, especially not in the quarter finals. It's just the way the whole team presents itself this time.
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Reply #784 posted 06/29/06 7:07pm

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Reply #785 posted 06/29/06 7:53pm

july

althom said:


flag smile flag canada shrug

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Reply #786 posted 06/29/06 10:47pm

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july said:

althom said:


flag smile flag canada shrug

tombstone tombstone

Here's a joke doing the rounds here. lol

An Australian has been arrested in Germany after a brawl after the Australia-Italy World Cup match.
Even though the Australian was 10 metres away, the Italian suffered a broken leg, fractured skull, a heart attack, possibly got cancer and developed diabetes.

He is expected to recover in a few minutes....

lol
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Reply #787 posted 06/30/06 4:36am

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althom said:

july said:


flag smile flag canada shrug

tombstone tombstone

Here's a joke doing the rounds here. lol

An Australian has been arrested in Germany after a brawl after the Australia-Italy World Cup match.
Even though the Australian was 10 metres away, the Italian suffered a broken leg, fractured skull, a heart attack, possibly got cancer and developed diabetes.

He is expected to recover in a few minutes....

lol


lol



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Reply #788 posted 06/30/06 7:07am

ZombieKitten

Steadwood said:

althom said:


Here's a joke doing the rounds here. lol

An Australian has been arrested in Germany after a brawl after the Australia-Italy World Cup match.
Even though the Australian was 10 metres away, the Italian suffered a broken leg, fractured skull, a heart attack, possibly got cancer and developed diabetes.

He is expected to recover in a few minutes....

lol


lol



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I just told that one to my mum and dad giggle
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Reply #789 posted 06/30/06 10:54am

abierman

Germany did it again..... neutral


but, deserved! Lehmann was the best goalie during the penalties!
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Reply #790 posted 06/30/06 10:52pm

july

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Reply #791 posted 07/01/06 1:09am

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ry83

GER - ARG is actually 5-3, because of the two goals scored during the game.
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Reply #792 posted 07/01/06 8:09am

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GERMANY wins 4th WORLD CUP... so it shall be written...
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Reply #793 posted 07/01/06 9:55am

Fauxie

Was Rooney sent off for pushing Ronaldo or did the ref think it was a deliberate stamp? shrug

Someone needs to punch Cristiano Ronaldo. He has one of those faces that invites it.

Amazing that England have had more possession and actually created more chances since being down to 10 men than they did before Rooney was sent off.

I really hope we can get one in extra time because my nerves will shot to pieces if it goes penalties.
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Reply #794 posted 07/01/06 10:55am

Fauxie

Bollocks. That's us out then. I thought we played well considering we had to get by with only 10 men for an hour. Hargreaves was excellent and it was a good effort by all the lads. Our penalties were all pretty poor though, even the one that went in. Portugal played ok, but considering their advantage they didn't put as much pressure on as they might have. Ronaldo was diving all over the place, as usual, and typically irritating in his encouraging the ref to produce cards. There's no way we had enough to win this tournament considering the way we've played, but based on that performance I can't see Portugal going any further.

On to euro 2008 neutral
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Reply #795 posted 07/01/06 12:02pm

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Fauxie said:

Bollocks. That's us out then. I thought we played well considering we had to get by with only 10 men for an hour. Hargreaves was excellent and it was a good effort by all the lads. Our penalties were all pretty poor though, even the one that went in. Portugal played ok, but considering their advantage they didn't put as much pressure on as they might have. Ronaldo was diving all over the place, as usual, and typically irritating in his encouraging the ref to produce cards. There's no way we had enough to win this tournament considering the way we've played, but based on that performance I can't see Portugal going any further.

On to euro 2008 neutral


I don't really blame Rooney getting sent off for England losing the match. It was obvious he was going to get frustrated playing in that unnatural forward position and running his legs off for nothing It was a harsh sending off anyway, it seems it was more for the push on Ronaldo when in the previous match Figo only got a yellow card for headbutting someone! Ronaldo rushing into the ref is the reason Rooney lost it and got sent off - did you see the way he winked afterwards like a saying 'job done'. The Portugese were going down for every single thing, cheating gits, the ref did well to ignore most of their dives.

No, I blame Sven. I'm not a hater of Sven, I think his record with England is actually very good, I mean we used to struggle to even qualify for major tournaments until he came along. However, he's never got the best out of the players and most games we have won with him we have barely scraped through. His 'square pegs in round holes' formations undid us as much as the poor performances by our big players. I blame our hugely long season though, they were all tired, Lampard and Gerrard never really got going.

But you can't forgive Sven for his choice of strikers. Owen was not matchfit anyway, neither was Rooney, bringing Walcott was a disasterous mistake, you need experience at the world cup unless you are some kind of footballing genius - which clearly he can't be or Sven would have tried him. That left Crouch who has his uses but we should have brought 2 other out-and-out strikers instead. I think the England camp needs a shake-up after this poor tournament - and I don't see Mclaren doing that.

Bloody hell, though, is every England manager doomed to lose a major game on penalties! Why are we so shit at taking them and everyone else is so good? This is one of those training areas that needs shaking up.
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Reply #796 posted 07/01/06 3:40pm

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Reply #797 posted 07/01/06 4:11pm

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metalorange said:

Fauxie said:

Bollocks. That's us out then. I thought we played well considering we had to get by with only 10 men for an hour. Hargreaves was excellent and it was a good effort by all the lads. Our penalties were all pretty poor though, even the one that went in. Portugal played ok, but considering their advantage they didn't put as much pressure on as they might have. Ronaldo was diving all over the place, as usual, and typically irritating in his encouraging the ref to produce cards. There's no way we had enough to win this tournament considering the way we've played, but based on that performance I can't see Portugal going any further.

On to euro 2008 neutral


I don't really blame Rooney getting sent off for England losing the match. It was obvious he was going to get frustrated playing in that unnatural forward position and running his legs off for nothing It was a harsh sending off anyway, it seems it was more for the push on Ronaldo when in the previous match Figo only got a yellow card for headbutting someone! Ronaldo rushing into the ref is the reason Rooney lost it and got sent off - did you see the way he winked afterwards like a saying 'job done'. The Portugese were going down for every single thing, cheating gits, the ref did well to ignore most of their dives.

No, I blame Sven. I'm not a hater of Sven, I think his record with England is actually very good, I mean we used to struggle to even qualify for major tournaments until he came along. However, he's never got the best out of the players and most games we have won with him we have barely scraped through. His 'square pegs in round holes' formations undid us as much as the poor performances by our big players. I blame our hugely long season though, they were all tired, Lampard and Gerrard never really got going.

But you can't forgive Sven for his choice of strikers. Owen was not matchfit anyway, neither was Rooney, bringing Walcott was a disasterous mistake, you need experience at the world cup unless you are some kind of footballing genius - which clearly he can't be or Sven would have tried him. That left Crouch who has his uses but we should have brought 2 other out-and-out strikers instead. I think the England camp needs a shake-up after this poor tournament - and I don't see Mclaren doing that.

Bloody hell, though, is every England manager doomed to lose a major game on penalties! Why are we so shit at taking them and everyone else is so good? This is one of those training areas that needs shaking up.


I agree with most of that. We weren't good enough with 11 players.

Rooney is going to have a word with Ronaldo i suspect in Manchester's Carrington training ground. I'm afraid Ronaldo's future treatment is going to look even more harsh at many away grounds in England.

Thank goodness Erikson has gone. Maybe seen as the saviour, brought in after Keegan had nothing to offer, but he has held the team back for the last 3 years. So what do the FA do? Give it to a safe choice Mclaren. Why couldn't they wait till the cup was over and ask Scolari? And the excuse O'Neil interviewed badly?

All english clubs should only allow english players to take penalties in future, if they had the countrys' interests at heart (this is probably controlled by the owners though). I hope France win now (Zidane - wow!).
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Reply #798 posted 07/01/06 4:42pm

abierman

Brasil's out, the final will be FRA-GER, GER will be champion.....mark my words! nod
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Reply #799 posted 07/01/06 4:50pm

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Brasil's out, the final will be FRA-GER, GER will be champion.....mark my words! nod


I hope you're right... biggrin wink
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Reply #800 posted 07/01/06 6:05pm

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Apparently, senior FIFA officials are perplexed about the sending off and are awaiting the match report.

Also, Ronaldo appears to be on his way out of Old Trafford due to a move to Real Madrid. Probably a good idea! lol
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Reply #801 posted 07/02/06 4:41am

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A shame brazil was marginalized. Oh sorry, wait. This is not brazil best. Tis is "PArreira and friends".

Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Ronaldo, just could not be there.
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Reply #802 posted 07/02/06 6:56am

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David Beckham Steps down as England Captain


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/...ptain.html



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Reply #803 posted 07/02/06 3:41pm

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If I ever have an argument with an englishman I'm going to settle it by challenging him to a penalty shootout! giggle
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Reply #804 posted 07/02/06 4:18pm

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If I ever have an argument with an englishman I'm going to settle it by challenging him to a penalty shootout! giggle

And tell him Phil Scolari is your Dad!

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Reply #805 posted 07/02/06 4:20pm

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fathermcmeekle said:

bkw said:

If I ever have an argument with an englishman I'm going to settle it by challenging him to a penalty shootout! giggle

And tell him Phil Scolari is your Dad!

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Reply #806 posted 07/02/06 5:10pm

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althom said:

july said:


flag smile flag canada shrug

tombstone tombstone

Here's a joke doing the rounds here. lol

An Australian has been arrested in Germany after a brawl after the Australia-Italy World Cup match.
Even though the Australian was 10 metres away, the Italian suffered a broken leg, fractured skull, a heart attack, possibly got cancer and developed diabetes.

He is expected to recover in a few minutes....

lol

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Reply #807 posted 07/02/06 8:50pm

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FIFA will make sure GERMANY wins it's 4th WORLD CUP on home soil... wink
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Reply #808 posted 07/02/06 9:31pm

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Bollocks. That's us out then. I thought we played well considering we had to get by with only 10 men for an hour. Hargreaves was excellent and it was a good effort by all the lads. Our penalties were all pretty poor though, even the one that went in. Portugal played ok, but considering their advantage they didn't put as much pressure on as they might have. Ronaldo was diving all over the place, as usual, and typically irritating in his encouraging the ref to produce cards. There's no way we had enough to win this tournament considering the way we've played, but based on that performance I can't see Portugal going any further.

On to euro 2008 neutral


cry cry cry


bawl bawl bawl bawl


i just got home, and watched the match. i knew the outcome already.... but had to see it for myself. i have to say that i think england played a good game... and portugal was annoying the hell out of me for all those stupid dives they were taking!! and ronaldo up in the ref's face which resulted in rooney getting a red card (when on the replay it doesn't look that bad, but more like the player got clipped a little and "sold it".... though i guess only he will ever know for sure...)

even my sister, who is not even a fan of football, much less england, was watching the game with me and was getting disgusted and portugal's "babyishness" as she put it.... crying at every little thing, trying to disrupt the play.

i haven't watched the penalties yet. i had my timer set and didn't think to set it for the possibility of extra time and penalties. so my neighbor tivo'd it and is going to record it so i can watch it. (one of the perks of living next to a college soccer coach....he already tivos all the games! biggrin )

i'm so bummed. sad
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Reply #809 posted 07/02/06 11:08pm

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Fauxie said:

Bollocks. That's us out then. I thought we played well considering we had to get by with only 10 men for an hour. Hargreaves was excellent and it was a good effort by all the lads. Our penalties were all pretty poor though, even the one that went in. Portugal played ok, but considering their advantage they didn't put as much pressure on as they might have. Ronaldo was diving all over the place, as usual, and typically irritating in his encouraging the ref to produce cards. There's no way we had enough to win this tournament considering the way we've played, but based on that performance I can't see Portugal going any further.

On to euro 2008 neutral


cry cry cry


bawl bawl bawl bawl


i just got home, and watched the match. i knew the outcome already.... but had to see it for myself. i have to say that i think england played a good game... and portugal was annoying the hell out of me for all those stupid dives they were taking!! and ronaldo up in the ref's face which resulted in rooney getting a red card (when on the replay it doesn't look that bad, but more like the player got clipped a little and "sold it".... though i guess only he will ever know for sure...)

even my sister, who is not even a fan of football, much less england, was watching the game with me and was getting disgusted and portugal's "babyishness" as she put it.... crying at every little thing, trying to disrupt the play.

i haven't watched the penalties yet. i had my timer set and didn't think to set it for the possibility of extra time and penalties. so my neighbor tivo'd it and is going to record it so i can watch it. (one of the perks of living next to a college soccer coach....he already tivos all the games! biggrin )

i'm so bummed. sad





it was red alright..... nod
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