You know, I really could use a bad, loose heroine about now.

Fauxie said:

I really wish crystal would come and visit me sometime soon

sosgemini said:

that's fine but the truth is the truth. It's selfish to hole yourself up in a room, get high all day, and hurt your loved ones. It's foolish to think that the death of a loved one is a valid excuse for that kind of behavior. It's not. life is a gift that you can open if you want to. some people just don't want to.

i guess my main problem with the drug addicts that i've known is that they seemed like such babies who always blamed something or someone else for their own problems. it really gets me mad when people blame the death of a loved one or the end of a relationship for abusing drugs. it's just an excuse and addicts are full of them.

the only time an addict will ever gain my respect is when they stop making excuses, stop acting like selfish babies, and get clean. it's possible and i've seen people do it.

This one woman i know was the parent of a friend of mine in high school. she lost almost everything to heroin, including one of her children. for years she acted like an asshole and made life a living hell for everyone, not just herself. but she finally stopped making excuses, got into rehab, and stayed clean. and she wasn't in some fancy shancy rehab center either, she was dirt poor and i believe the rehab was court mandated.

In anycase, my view on life is that no one is a victim unless they choose to be. All human beings, not just a chosen few, have the power and the strength to overcome any obstacle that is put in front of them. In times of trouble people should look into themselves for the strength and they will find that it's there. some may need to look harder than others but it is still there. You just need to make the choice to use what is inside of yourself and not substance that will lead to your ultimate demise.

JasmineFire said:

no its not...its just your opinion.

HereToRockYourWorld said:

I agree with both of these posts.

just to clarify: what i've said about active addicts has to do with people who are deep in denial and would sell out their closest loved ones to get what they want. maybe i should have used a more specific term.

i know people who have (or who have had in the past) addictions and can maintain themselves respectfully and keep their addictions out of other people's lives. to those people, i say do what you gotta do.

and of course, we all have our addictions - smokes, sugar, coffee, sex, shopping, food, whatever.

i'm talking about people who make their addictions into your problem. i've dealt with these people in the past - i fear i'm dealing with one now - and while i love the person lying dormant underneath the addiction, i fucking hate the addict they are when they're using and in denial. it doesn't mean i won't help them or that i want to walk away from them. but i do hate them during that time. i can't help it.

Anx said:

Yeah, and I think we have a right to be pissed as hell when somebody lets their addiction affect our lives. . . of course we're gonna be all kinds of upset when somebody we love makes bad choices that end up hurting everybody who cares about them.

It's really just the "fuck the selfish evil bastards" attitute that I can't get behind. I can understand it. I just can't agree.

HereToRockYourWorld said:

i separate the active addict from the person underneath it. the active addict is not the person in their true form. it's a kind of possession.

Anx said:

I completely understand. And to an extent agree. There are people I've cut out of my life cause they are using.

It doesn't mean I think that it's there own fault if they get a bad batch of heroin and die from it. That's all I'm saying...

sosgemini said:

ummm...no.

CarrieMpls said:

well, it is and it isn't.

on the one hand, if you're a heroin dealler then you should be upfront with your customers about what you're selling. If someone wants heroin with fentanyl in it then fine, sell it to them. However, if someone just wants regular heroin from you then you should just sell them regular heroin. don't trick them and give them something that's gonna kill them, especially if they don't want to die.

on the other hand, there is nothing in the US that regulates drugs such as heroin so it's buyer beware. if you're going to use heroin or any other kind of drug you need to be aware that sometimes you may not get what you think you're buying because that's the nature of the system. if we were in a country where heroin was legal and regulated, the situation would be different and perhaps there would even be a recall. In that sense, legalizing all drugs may not be such a bad idea.

in anycase, it's best to leave it all alone.

notoriousj said:

co sign

Moonwalkbjrain said:

just curious - have either of you had to live with or be responsible/care for an active addict?

Anx said:

Yup.

notoriousj said:

kthnx - just wondering.

I'm assuming that the one exception to everyone's viewpoints is Rush Limbaugh...lol ...In his case it's ok to point and laugh at anything he deals with in connection to his addiction, as well as call him names...cuz hypocracy should trump empathy and understanding.

Byron said:

I am sure he needs help just as anyone else who deals with the same issue and or problem.

It would be hypocritical for me to talk smack about him and laugh at him, but I don't play the hypocracy game.

Anx said:

umm ok.
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notoriousj said:

Well, I meant his hypocricy, not our own...lol...and I didn't really mean you in particular, or any one person in particular on this thread. More a comment on how the vibe of empathy and understanding seems to go straight out the window when his name is brought up concerning addiction...at that point it's post after gleeful post whenever he's dealing with anything in connection to his addiction problems, and this is apparently while he's trying to clean himself up.

Me, I have no emotions at stake in whatever happens to him or doesn't happen to him...I only invest emotions like that into those who I love and are a part of my family, either biologicaly or emotionally. From what little I know of his situation, he's seemed to have allowed himself to become more empathetic and understanding towards other people with addictions than he was in the past, so I just say "good for him, nice to see" and move on. But I kinda shake my head in the celebratory vibe that accompanies whatever hardship he may encounter while dealing with his addiction and his actions stemming from it...

Anx said:

no i haven't and i hope to never have to

JasmineFire said:

ummm..... yes.

NorthernLad said:

nope

Moonwalkbjrain said:

if it ever happens, and i hope it doesn't, remember your words of unconditional love when that person is robbing you blind to pay for their next fix, and when they have shady people coming in and out of your home at all hours, and when you go days without hearing from your addict loved one, only to get a call from them in the middle of the night asking you to send them money.

remember: they're god's delicate little creatures and they deserve your undying love.

though it's okay if you decide they've become a monumental asshole monster and that you need to do everything you can to make them stop killing themselves, even if what you do makes them resent you forever.

or, you know, something like that.

Bad heroine:

Anx said:

yeah...that sounds about right.

Anx said:

Fair enough.

Anx said: