sextonseven said: Dayspring said: No, they really aren't. Not according to the writer or Marvel. Then why did Marvel publish the reference to the earlier appearance in the first place? They can try to erase or forget about it all they want. It's already there are paper. Well, in the trivia section of that Wiki page that Dayspring posted, it has this to say: A child identifying herself as "Maddy Pryor" appears in the Chris Claremont-scripted Avengers Annual #10. It appeared that Claremont had named her after the singer too and there was no in-story connection, but the child reappeared as Madelyne's mental image of herself in X-Men #238, wearing the same clothes as the character from Avengers Annual #10 and saying almost the same line. This was never elaborated upon and is likely just an extended in-joke.
So, it looks like this is really up for debate. I don't think anyone is really 100% certain, other than Claremont. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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sextonseven said: StoneCrib said: Why wouldn't Halle be back? Studios wouldn't risk losing the Halle and Hugh fan base. Halle herself said this is her last X-Men film. I would think an actress like her that has lots of other options would not want to be typecast. she said that last time too, but she hasn't had the combination of a critically acclaimed or money-making movie in... well, ever, actually. so they ponied up the dough and wrote a (slightly) bigger part for her and she came back. she'll do so again the next time she has a moment of clarity and realizes that she's not talented or famous enough to carry a movie by herself. she'll be back. especially with Scott out of the way. and the Jean stuff taken care of, they'll be able to give her a bigger part... as head of the school and sole leader of the X-Men (or co-leader with Wolverine) and a much cheaper/younger cast... Rogue, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus.... Wolverine and possibly Nightcrawler as well. they could do it quite easily. honestly, Storm is too regal and elegant a character for Berry to pull off. she's not done it so far, although she came closest in X3 (and a few seconds in X2). i'd be perfectly happy if they got someone who could play the character better, but she's probably what we're stuck with since she's already sort of make it her role, but because she's been her in the first 3. too bad Iman's about 10 to 15 to 20 years too old now. i always thought her entire reason for existence on this planet was only to play Storm when they got around to making an X-Men movie. [Edited 6/25/06 20:58pm] | |
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Dayspring said: sextonseven said: Halle herself said this is her last X-Men film. I would think an actress like her that has lots of other options would not want to be typecast. she said that last time too, but she hasn't had the combination of a critically acclaimed or money-making movie in... well, ever, actually. so they ponied up the dough and wrote a (slightly) bigger part for her and she came back. she'll do so again the next time she has a moment of clarity and realizes that she's not talented or famous enough to carry a movie by herself. she'll be back. especially with Scott out of the way. and the Jean stuff taken care of, they'll be able to give her a bigger part... as head of the school and sole leader of the X-Men (or co-leader with Wolverine) and a much cheaper/younger cast... Rogue, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus.... Wolverine and possibly Nightcrawler as well. they could do it quite easily. honestly, Storm is too regal and elegant a character for Berry to pull off. she's not done it so far, although she came closest in X3 (and a few seconds in X2). i'd be perfectly happy if they got someone who could play the character better, but she's probably what we're stuck with since she's already sort of make it her role, but because she's been her in the first 3. too bad Iman's about 10 to 15 to 20 years too old now. i always thought her entire reason for existence on this planet was only to play Storm when they got around to making an X-Men movie. [Edited 6/25/06 20:58pm] -Cyclops is probably not dead -Xavier is alive -I thought the same exact thing about Iman! [Edited 6/25/06 21:03pm] Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Dayspring said: too bad Iman's about 10 to 15 to 20 years too old now. i always thought her entire reason for existence on this planet was only to play Storm when they got around to making an X-Men movie.
[Edited 6/25/06 20:58pm] I've been saying that for years. IMO, Halle SUCKS as Storm. Storm is African, so Iman would have been perfect(despite her age). I've read on other superhero websites FOX was pissed at Singer for doing Superman, so they rushed to get X3 released before Supes. It showed, because this doesn't measure up to the first two. | |
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uPtoWnNY said: I've read on other superhero websites FOX was pissed at Singer for doing Superman, so they rushed to get X3 released before Supes. It showed, because this doesn't measure up to the first two. yes and no. memorial day 2006 was always the projected release date. but it was rushed, not only because Brian Singer left, but because Matthew Vaughan was chosen to replace him and also left. Brett Ratner was brought on board at literally the last minute before production began. also, from what i've heard, Brian Singer was willing to do X3 if they postponed it til after he was done with Superman. word is that Fox was bitter over him jumping ship for the competition and didn't want to give up that opening day slot. | |
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StoneCrib said: Dayspring said: she said that last time too, but she hasn't had the combination of a critically acclaimed or money-making movie in... well, ever, actually. so they ponied up the dough and wrote a (slightly) bigger part for her and she came back. she'll do so again the next time she has a moment of clarity and realizes that she's not talented or famous enough to carry a movie by herself. she'll be back. especially with Scott out of the way. and the Jean stuff taken care of, they'll be able to give her a bigger part... as head of the school and sole leader of the X-Men (or co-leader with Wolverine) and a much cheaper/younger cast... Rogue, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus.... Wolverine and possibly Nightcrawler as well. they could do it quite easily. honestly, Storm is too regal and elegant a character for Berry to pull off. she's not done it so far, although she came closest in X3 (and a few seconds in X2). i'd be perfectly happy if they got someone who could play the character better, but she's probably what we're stuck with since she's already sort of make it her role, but because she's been her in the first 3. too bad Iman's about 10 to 15 to 20 years too old now. i always thought her entire reason for existence on this planet was only to play Storm when they got around to making an X-Men movie. [Edited 6/25/06 20:58pm] -Cyclops is probably not dead -Xavier is alive -I thought the same exact thing about Iman! [Edited 6/25/06 21:03pm] Cyclops is dead if they don't want to bring him back or he doesn't want to come back. and to get Halle to do Storm again, they're going to have to keep him out of the way so she'll get more screen time as leader. Xavier isn't dead, but he doesn't have to appear in any future sequals in his current state. or he could be a villain. at any rate, they don't need Patrick Stewart, so they don't really have to do anything with him except make a passing comment about "he's alive, but he's not here, so let's move on." | |
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Ever since I first saw her in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, I've felt that Iman should play Storm. True, she's too old now (and Halle's been in the role for three films), but it is one of those things I'll always wish had been the case. Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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Dayspring said: sextonseven said: Halle herself said this is her last X-Men film. I would think an actress like her that has lots of other options would not want to be typecast. she said that last time too, but she hasn't had the combination of a critically acclaimed or money-making movie in... well, ever, actually. so they ponied up the dough and wrote a (slightly) bigger part for her and she came back. she'll do so again the next time she has a moment of clarity and realizes that she's not talented or famous enough to carry a movie by herself. she'll be back. Last time Halle said she won't be back unless Storm gets a bigger part and asked her fans to write to the studio and request as such. She has made no such disclaimer this time. | |
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Dayspring said: StoneCrib said: -Cyclops is probably not dead -Xavier is alive -I thought the same exact thing about Iman! [Edited 6/25/06 21:03pm] Cyclops is dead if they don't want to bring him back or he doesn't want to come back. and to get Halle to do Storm again, they're going to have to keep him out of the way so she'll get more screen time as leader. Xavier isn't dead, but he doesn't have to appear in any future sequals in his current state. or he could be a villain. at any rate, they don't need Patrick Stewart, so they don't really have to do anything with him except make a passing comment about "he's alive, but he's not here, so let's move on." They wouldn't dare make an X-Men and not have Xavier in it, this isn't a comic book where they can rely on their fan base alone. They NEED Patrick Stewart because he's the glue, so he will definitely be in the next one, trust me. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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sextonseven said: Dayspring said: she said that last time too, but she hasn't had the combination of a critically acclaimed or money-making movie in... well, ever, actually. so they ponied up the dough and wrote a (slightly) bigger part for her and she came back. she'll do so again the next time she has a moment of clarity and realizes that she's not talented or famous enough to carry a movie by herself. she'll be back. Last time Halle said she won't be back unless Storm gets a bigger part and asked her fans to write to the studio and request as such. She has made no such disclaimer this time. yeah, well she's still gotta eat. she either gets small parts in megabucks movies or she stars in movies that pay about three dollars (and only gross about two). | |
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StoneCrib said: Dayspring said: Cyclops is dead if they don't want to bring him back or he doesn't want to come back. and to get Halle to do Storm again, they're going to have to keep him out of the way so she'll get more screen time as leader. Xavier isn't dead, but he doesn't have to appear in any future sequals in his current state. or he could be a villain. at any rate, they don't need Patrick Stewart, so they don't really have to do anything with him except make a passing comment about "he's alive, but he's not here, so let's move on." They wouldn't dare make an X-Men and not have Xavier in it, this isn't a comic book where they can rely on their fan base alone. They NEED Patrick Stewart because he's the glue, so he will definitely be in the next one, trust me. or, conversly, that's what they could make it about. the X-Men without Xavier: what mistakes do they make? what do they do diffently? what do they do better? then again, they could include him in a sort of Legion/Proteus or Onslaught sort of situation and make HIM the big bad. and if Xavier's the enemy, they'd have a good reason to bring Magneto back in, and on the side of the X-Men again. personally when it comes to the comics, i've always liked it better when Big Daddy's out of the books. dead or off in space fucking Lilandra or some other shit. he gets on my nerves. and the rest of the X-Men get on my nerves when he's around. | |
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i agree totally about Xavier ... i think his "power " is kinda boring .... and it is tough to project onto the screen ... for instance ... if he is that "powerful " to read minds, etc .... his brain would be sooo active the whole movie that the moviegoer 's head would explode ....
i do think Patrick Stewart and Halle will be back ... just a prediction ... but ... what else do u think they will do ??? granted- Halle has some great gifts --- but sadly and honestly- older gals do not have alot of parts/roles in movies ... so if they ANNIE UP the $$$$$ --- how would she say NO ?? | |
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