Lammastide said:

not going to waste money on watching the movie, despite Prick being in it? what'd i miss?

Dayspring said:

No, Anck is saying that going to see it wouldn't be a waste of money. At least, that is how I read it.

JediMaster said:

ah, i see

I just saw the movie last night and have no problems with the movie...well, except the sudden daylight into night thing. Some reviews I've seen say that all there is is action in there with no character development. Yeah, they didn't really expand on the new characters too much, but how much of that do you really need anyway? You can't possibly do that for every friggin' mutant that comes up on screen. I'm happy with the result, and will be buying this one on DVD when it comes out.

TMPletz said:

The whole "daylight into night thing", if you watch carefully, is actually okay. The sun is setting as Magneto and the Brotherhood are on the bridge.

i caught the film last night ... sorry to say i DID not stay to see the Charles scene .... oops .... i guess there is a reason to come to PRINCE.ORG on the hour!!!

I am a fan of the comics as well as the movies .... i enjoyed it ... but you cant help but be somewhat "taken away " by scenes as well ... as left with some emptiness that the charactor development ... is lacking .... in the movies ... there are sooo many mutants ... that it is tough to really development any storylines the way they should be - or deserve! .... i mean Colosus ... kitty pride, rogue, angel.... i even missed psylocke--- altho i did "catch " some of the others that are mentioned above (did not know what chris claremont looked like) ....

in short--- the thing i LOVED about this flick --- it caught the true magneto charactor as best as any of them!!! he is not supposed to be the "ultimate BAD DUDE" .... but rather .... a true charactor that has feelings for Charles and his "old friend" even tho they disagree about the whole mutant thing ... ... in a way --- i was kinda glad i didnt see the last scene ... cus for me the last scene was Magneto moving the chess piece...

Lammastide said:

Psylocke was in the movie?

saintsation said:

Oh. I missed that.

Overall I thought it was a great movie. I thought the second movie suffered more from too many mutants than this one, because in this one it was more "an army" rather than individuals with individual storylines.

The Phoenix effects were great. I was surprised to see Professor X go, but not too surprised about Cyclops. His part was really small in the previous movie as well.

I'll be buying the DVD.

scififilmnerd said:

I mostly agree with you. The Phoenix effects were cool, except for the fact that we never saw the flaming bird. THAT is a shame!

As stated earlier on the thread, we all know Professor X didn't really die, and since you never saw him die on screen, you can pretty much declare him to be still alive. James Marsden has pretty much stated that he doesn't believe Cyke to be dead.

Psylocke is in the movie, but if you blink you'll miss her. She is seeen hanging out with the Brotherhood, and has a brief moment where you can see her teleport.

scififilmnerd said:

She was the Asian chick with purple hair who hung out with Arclight and Quill (or "Kid Omega," as the credits incorrectly referred to him ). The only time she briefly used a power was when she teleported out of a wall when they abducted Warren Worthington II and Quill killed Dr. Rao on Alcatraz.

I saw it this weekend. It wasn't bad. The scene at Jean's house was definitely the best. At the end however, she just seemed to be standing around in a daze until Beast injected Magneto with the "cure".

I'm so happy that cure was only temporary. I don't think it would have been a good message if the cure really worked.

clarification edit
[Edited 6/6/06 8:40am]

Question, all: I understnad dramatic effect and faithfulness to the books, but why couldn't Logan just inject Jean with the cure? A man in love with her would have at least considered it, even if she was too powerful to actually have that done to her.
[Edited 6/6/06 8:56am]

Lammastide said:

For the same reason why the original ending of the Dark Phoenix story (her powers were removed) wasn't used in the comics. She killed lots of people in that film and to have her powers simply be taken away would have been letting her off too easily.

Plus, she's the pheonix. I don't even follow the comics, but by virtue of the name of her character, I would think we get to see her die and rise up again and again and again.

Liked it betterr than one, not two. Halle Berry irked the hell out of me.

CarrieMpls said:

ad infinitum.... honestly, it's gotten tiresome in the comics

Dayspring said:

Jean has only died three times. And one of those times, it wasn't even her. I wonder how long she'll stay dead this time.

sextonseven said:

So you think it was dramatic effect. Probably.

02: Wolverine's claws in Jean's gut, echoing what he did to Rachel in Uncanny #206

Yeah, I thought the same thing!




Why didn't they just give JEAN the cure?...

Anywayz, loved it!

Some people r mad that the DANGER ROOM, SENTINALS, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and FASTBALL SPECIAL were all just handled like throwaways, but if they had extended all those stories, would JACKMAN, BERRY, STEWART, McKELLEN etc all come back for a 4th film? let alone anutha trilogy? not likely.

Lammastide said:

I thought about this, and the one thing I kept coming back to was the fact that Logan understood that Jean would still be mentally screwed up, even if she was "cured". Even if she could get herself back together, she would still be haunted by the fact that she was responsible for countless deaths, including those of her mentor and her lover (of course, neither is really dead, but Jean doesn't know that). Add in the fact that many of the mutants seemed to be of the mindset that they'd rather be dead than "cured", and I think you can see Logan's logic. She didn't want to live anymore, that was obvious, and I think Logan felt it was what was needed, as much as he didn't want that to be the case.

sextonseven said:

Technically, she ISN'T dead right now. She was resurrected by the Phoenix Force in X-Men: Phoenix- Endsong. At the end of that story, she was transformed into White Phoenix, and left that plane of reality. She is technically alive, although not active in the Marvel U.

You are correct that she has only "died" three times though. The first time was when she piloted the damaged shuttle into Jamaica Bay. She was presumed dead at the end of that issue, only to emerge as The Phoenix in the subsequent issue (of course, as you pointed out, that technically wasn't Jean. The Phoenix Force placed Jean's near-death body into a cocoon, so she could regenerate, and cloned her body to serve as her host). She was "killed" the second time when she committed suicide in order to prevent herself from manifesting as Dark Phoenix again. The last time she "died" was when Xorn killed her.

Many folks seem to be annoyed by Jean's constant deaths and resurrections, but I argue that she is the only character that really SHOULD have this happen. A Phoenix, by nature, should be an avatar of death and rebirth. It annoys me when OTHER characters die and come back, but not Phoenix.

sextonseven said:

4 if you count Madelyne Pryor, which, for all intents and purposes, counts as a "death of Jean Grey"

Dayspring said:

oh, and 5 if you count the second Madelyne Pryor from the X-Man comic.

you guys are gonna make me rip out all my old x-men ... lol ... thinking back on the M Pryor episodes .... speaking of comics ... anyone here ever sell any comics ... i wanna get rid of all my college comics .... here i thought i might be able to buy a new car with the $$$loot --- and it looks like all i may be able to do is make a car payment !!!

Dayspring said:

I hate clones.

Dayspring said:

I personally don't count Maddy. Yes, she was a clone of Jean, but not in the same sense that the first incarnation of Phoenix was. Phoenix actually was infused with some of Jean's essence, and had all her memories and what-not. Maddy thought she was a completely seperate entity, and was unaware of her heritage until much later.

Wasn't the second Madelyne from another reality? I remember towards the end of that series that Nate Grey was hopping through all the different realities, and encountered various versions of both Maddy and Jean.

On a related note, I was recently reading an old Avengers annual from 1980, written by Claremont, that featured a scene in a hospital towards the beginning that had a little girl named Madelyne Pryor. The scene is almost a throwaway, as it is occurring while Spider-Woman is bringing in an injured Carol Danvers. I have to wonder if Claremont was just recycling the name, or if it was intentional (I tend to think the latter, as Claremont loved to throw out tidbits like that, eventually revisiting them years later)

JediMaster said:

I think it's been acknowledged that Avengers Annual 10 is Madelyne Pryor's first appearance. Just like how the Council Of The Chosen back in issue 100(?) was the first appearance of the Hellfire Club.

sextonseven said:

That's the one!!! Thanks!!!!!

sextonseven said:

it's a different person. he just recycled the name. it's the name of the lead singer of some British band from the 70's that he liked.