xenon said:

Many europeans "drink" every day, this is as true as it is false. I guess it depends upon what you mean by the term drink. The europeans are known for having a glass of wine with luch and dinner, but this isn't really drinking. It is as if they would have a beverage with their meal. Drinking american style is having more acholo then the body can matabolise in an hour. That is a far cry from having two glasses of wine with meals.

Natsume said:

you gonna go or what woman? drinks..tomorrow...oaktown.

badujunkie said:

not sure..depends on if any other orgers are going...(natty, dont make me slap the slant out your eyes....)

sosgemini said:

I don't know if I can make it!

Natsume said:

why not?

sosgemini said:

haha... you little shit... I've been looking for an excuse to use that emoticon!

hahaha!

well, maybe I can... how close is BART?

sosgemini said:

OH MY GOD HA HA HA!

some more!

its a couple blocks from my house...

lets go...DISCO!!!

MickG said:

Hmm, that's good to hear. I'm a serious wine drinker and I have about two glasses a night. Sometimes one in the daytime too, if it's nice outside. I'm an American living in Europe. I have to say, that it's MUCH more accepted to have a beer or two (or wine) during lunch, and more later in the evening, than it is in the U.S. It's just what I've noticed after living in both countries for the past 8 years.

Alcoholism runs in my family on both sides, and sometimes I do feel like I'm on the borderline. When I'm in the States though, I drink a lot more, and then it's hard liquor too though, because I just have a much better social life there than I do here. I have absolutely no social life here, so I guess that's good for my drinking habits. I just had a neurologist appointment last week and he asked me how much I drank. When I told him about all the wine, he actually said it was good for me, so

I do know when I need to watch it though. When the hard liquor comes into play, I can get sort of out of control.

MickG said:

Thanks for the support...

heres the deal:

can you manage your sh*t? are you taking care of your responsibilities? the minute you honestly can answer "no", then you may need help...

until such time, enjoy life and try not to let the burdon of a society to hell bent on guilt getting the best of you...

btw: natsume and i will be there tomorrow...probably around 9 or so....trying to get miquelgomez and dook to show up...

badujunkie said:

Was that sarcasim? Sometimes trough love is better suport then a pat on the ass while saying "no honey, it's okay".

As for me, I am a PotHead. I know and accept it. At one time in my life I would give away anything I owned, guitars cameras it didn't really matter, so that I could get some weed in my pipe. I would smoke every day. I would be a real bitch if I had none.

Them are just the breaks.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

xenon said:

Hey Geoff!

MickG said:

it was sarcastic but you're right...a good kick in the ass is always appreciated

i used to be a pothead but once I gave that up i changed to drinking. i think i'm addiction prone and i just replace one addiction with the next...you still a totel stoner?

badujunkie said:

I have not had weed in around 2 years. Before that 1/4 baggy, I hadn't had weed in over 5 years. I don't like the criminalzation of myself, nor do I like having to deal with criminal elements to get a little piece of a plant. Couple that with my anti-social tendencies and my moving to a new state, and that equates to no pot for me.

If I could get my little baggy a week with no other strings attached I would be a total stoner. I will always be a stoner, even if I never smoke pot again.

I wouldn't say you were addicted to smoking the weed. I have drinks every now and again, but I really don't like drinking. I could never replace my weed highs with sloppy drunks.

MickG said:

see...though i LOVE music when i'm high...weed highs tend to make me overanalyze myself and think about depressing shit and make me even less social whereas alcohol helps me out of my shell, takes me away from confidence/self esteem issues, and helps me relax after a long day. i wish i was the kind of person who could have 1-2 glasses of wine every other night or so...

Addiction isn't a state of mind, it's a physical (most people call it chemical) thing. Addicts get a kick out of their preferred drug, a physical kick - chemicals are released in the brain and it makes you feel good. You cannot be a borderline addict, either you are or you're not. I have the addict genes because both my parents do, the likelihood of my getting addicted to SOMETHING (this can be anything, not necessarily a drug) is above 70% so I need to watch out. I know my "drug" of choice and stay away from it, it's painkillers. I've had severe body pains since my teens, psychosomatic in origin. I hate being in pain so much, but the minute I realised that the pills was "it" for me, I got scared as hell and moved away. I do take some pretty weak prescription painkillers because of my pains and restless legs, but that's all. I'm not addicted. In fact, every time I've recognised I'm getting addicted to something (so far only the internet/The Org) I cut down on it until I have control.

If you ask me you're an alcoholic. Most people (and that doesn't mean you're weak, stupid or anything else) cannot handle getting rid of the addiction on their own. I wish you all the best of luck, don't let the monster eat you. Fight it!

Teacher said:

Yep.

Or give in to it. It's your life. But make it your choice. Consider what you want your life to look like, and whether or not your drinking fits into that picture.

If not, get help. We mere humans, we all need that sometimes, like it or not.

MickG said:

Precisely. Having lived in Germany, Italy , and Spain, I would never have imagine not having wine with lunch (outside of home), ESPEICIALLY if it were a business lunch...usually rather than ordering a glass per person, bottles are ordered for the entire table, but then there are also bottles of table water ordered as well for a sense of balance. The drinking tastes vary by country though, as in Italy, you'd have wine, in Germany, a light pilsner beer, and in Spain, maybe a light beer as well...I've always found that in the EU there are tons more of jet fuel strength expresso consumed than alcohol ...goodness, if we aren't addicted to coffee over here then I don't know what

Day 4...

hasn't been easy but I'm hanging in there. thanks for all the help. i am feeling more and more like an addict because i'm feeling withdrawl.

badujunkie said:

Wow. Good for you.

Have you been feeling withdrawal for all 4 days, or is it just kicking in?

HereToRockYourWorld said:

didn't really feel it until about 36 hours after my last drink...it's the worst it's been so far this a.m. it's taking all my will power to not go get a bloody mary on my afternoon break from work...uuugghh! i thought not drinking is supposed to make you feel BETTER

sosgemini said:

so 9 it is? I'm still trying to get my shit sorted...

p.s.

badujunkie said:

Has to make you feel worse first.

Natsume said:

have fun everyone...
i'm not coming. if i go to a bar i'll drink. esp if Prince music is in any way involved. everyone toss one back for me.

badujunkie said:

12 step programs do work, if you want to work at them. You really have to want to improve your life though

I hope I never have children, that's all I'll say. Even though most of me believes I'd be the best dad in the world.

Why do Americans get so convinced that everyone who has a few drinks is an alcoholic? At least, it seems that way to me sometimes.

bkw said:

Because AA has a monopoly on "curing" alcoholism and refuses to allow the American public to think outside the box in regards to moderation versus abstinence..

all this in spite of the fact that AA has a 90% failure rate....
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