OK I was totally unprepared for that "Orientation" video. I had heard theories that it's ONE BIG EXPERIMENT.

But is it? Is the Pearl Station just part of the experiment. Is anyone watching them. And why why why is all of this there?

Then there was the whole Claire's Psychic thing. He sas he "gathers" information on others and expoilts it. But in what way? He knew Claire was pregnant. Why did he act the way he did. ANd his daughter seems a bit spooky ala The Ring.

What did you think? Is the psychic lying about not being psychic? Was his daughter’s story one of a real “miracle”? Do you think there is a point to pushing the button anymore? What do you think of the new orientation tape and The Pearl?

superspaceboy said:

My DVR cut off the end. Did this happen to anybody else? Why did it run long?

Looks like Locke believes again. I kept waiting for them to find the tape showing Michael killing Ana Lucia.

u2prnce said:

You know...

we record onto DVD and I asked my partner if there was enough room. He assured me YES. RIGHT AT THE MOMENT YOU SEE THE ?...it stops recording. We immediately put in the blank DVD I set aside to record it on.

Oh he got the LOOK alright, and I ain't talking Sheena Easton!

u2prnce said:

I didn't even think of that! That would be if it was recorded.

My whole take on the Michael thing (Everyone is way too preoccupied to piece it togehter) is the position in which ana and libby are. Not to mention no signs of struggle. Why would Ana be on the couch if she was going in to kill Henry?

There will be speculation...oh yes there will.

It was a strong episode from what I saw. I don't know what I missed, but it couldn't have been much.

superspaceboy said:

Yeah, you'd think it would be recording, but since the "observers" are asked to write down every minute detail and send their booklets in those tubes, that suggests it's not being recorded. Except that there's a camera in this hatch watching the observers too, so what they write down may all be part of the experiment, and everything may be on tape.

Now how come "Locke's" hatch is the only one whose camera still works? And what was that at the end of the orientation video saying that at the end of your three-week shift, you should take the ferry to the barracks? Are we going to discover a way off the island soon?

I noticed that there was a camera in the Pearl Station...so whoever was stationed there was also being monitored...but by who? And what was the shit on the tray attached to one of the chairs in the Pearl Station? It looked like a cigarette butt along with some weird object..and a huge magnifying glass attached over to the side...

I also agree that the clues to it being obvious that Michael's story doesn't add up are there and will be realized before the end of the season...and I also didn't think of the possibility of a tape showing Michael shooting Ana and Libby. I also wonder if Libby will have a "resurrection" and come back to life the way the psychic's daughter apparently did? Proberly not lol...but worth contemplating.

I think Clair's psychic really did have a psychic moment with her, one he was unprepared to have (perhaps up until then he was just faking it all)...his shocked and surprised reaction to his session with Claire--along with refusing to take her money for the session--seems to indicate this. Remember, this is a guy who beforehand didn't believe in things like miracles and such...suddenly he experiences something of a miracles himself thru his session with Claire, and it freaks him out.

I loved how they FINALLY started linking past moments with the present...Jack needing the heroin for Libby's sake (the plane carrying the heroin crashed there because the island "knew" it would be needed?)...Locke's dream where his mother points him in the direction of the plane had more ramifications than just leading to the plane and Boone's death, since it also lead them to the heroin that would be needed in the future (plus it makes Locke's comment about Boone being a "sacrifice" the island required have more validity)...When they start connecting past moments to relevant present experiences it gives me more faith that the show is not being made up as they go along.

u2prnce said:

It ran long to show Libby Dying. They inject her with Heroin, so she isn't in pain. Hurley sits by her holding her hand. SHe says "Michael" and Kate immeditately says "He's fine, he's ok...shh shh don't worry" and Libby looks frustrated and then dies.

booyah said:

It doesn't look like anyone has been there for a long time. I doubt Mike's shooting would be recorded.

Better question...why was the first Orientation on Film and the other one on VHS?

booyah said:

I think "Locke's" hatch is the only one whose camera still works because it's the only hatch that was not abandoned...and I think it was the only one not abandoned because it was the one that was still necessary--and thus, the button pushing really IS important. Maybe the "incident" really did occur, and ever since the button pushing became a necessary reality. By monitoring it, "they'd" be able to tell if someone left the hatch or abandoned the button pushing, and "they" could send someone over to make sure it was pushed, perhaps??...

Byron said:

Yes, the whole we are watching you while you are watching them thing... ANd I saw that cigarette thingy too. Looked like a replica of something. Similar to Lockes Map...as if the person was piecing out something.

Libby will be back in flashbacks only next season.

Interesting observation on Psychic/Cliare. Maybe he did get a real "flash" which freaked him out.

Byron said:

Or maybe the "others" are really test subjects or something and discovered what was going on and they ALL abondonded their hatches and joined together to figure out how to get off the island. Maybe there was one hatch they were trying to find and Locke found it before they did.

I am also suspecting there may be time travel involved where they keep trying to travel back and fix whatever it was that broke. Things do seem out of time? No? It would also explain how the girl was suddenly come back to life.

superspaceboy said:

I'm sorry if this has already been asked before on this thread, but I'm still confused about a couple of things:


1) The manifestation of the Polar Bear which Walt saw, but also Sawyer & the others in Season 1. These are more than just visions because others are able to see them. ????

2) The wierd ass electric cloud that follows people around

3) The pilot in the original plane crash that is taken out of the cockpit but some "unseen" monster--perhaps the electric cloud?

4) And why havent' those explosive cloud burst not appeared lately?


I haven't seen last nights episode yet--I download them from iTunes the next day (today) and watch them at night. SO maybe some of those things are explained.

But there are alot of supernatural elements in this show that are unexplained and completely ignored by the new residents.

Moreover, Why aren't there any scenes of Domonic Monahagn stripping in the buff and going swimming?

Anyone notice how the 'narrator' in the orientation video went under a different name this time ("Dr. Mark Wickman" instead of "Dr. Marvin Candle"), and this time he had the use of both arms - in the previous orientation video, he had a fake arm (and some say a glass eye) - it seems that this 'newer' video was recorded first - and yet, as mentioned, it was on VHS rather than on film (and how they got sound to the first film is a plot hole they skipped over).

Imago said:

You can now view the episodes of Lost on www.abc.com for free...they have it up at 5am the following morning, so you don't have to download them fro iTunes anymore.

Byron said:

I'll pay $1.99 to avoid commericals.
[Edited 5/11/06 12:28pm]

Imago said:

The commercials only last like 20-30 seconds, and there's only two during the entire program...

Byron said:

I reckon that the people in the pearl were told they were doing the button pushing for nothing in order to prevent those working in there from asking questions. Thus the button pushing really is important.

Byron said:

i love you

Imago said:

Imago said:

Who doesn't...

Byron said:

Spookymuffin said:

Of course you do...

Imago said:

see comments.

booyah said:

No..it is more of another question. Assume that Station 3's video was made after he lost his arm. Why is THAT on film. It should be the other way around.

You are not the first to notice it the three wierdnesses (the name, the arm and the film/vhs) and I believe it's an answer they will get to...and not exactly a plot hole.

superspaceboy said:

I agree that it wasn't fully conceived at that point - I remember during the pilot thinking that the show was basically about a plane crashing into Jurassic Park. Fortunately there was a lot more to it than that.

superspaceboy said:

No, I agree about all the weirdness - they'll get to that. I just meant that they were able to get sound from what appeared to be just a picture-reel on the 'first' orientation video - that seems to be a plot hole, although I know nothing about movie reels - maybe the sound is on there too?

booyah said:

I thought movie projectors had built in speakers. My dad used to have one...and I think it had a speaker Though I do recall having to read the titles. I am sure though that some probably DID have a built in speaker.

I just ordered Bad Twin on Amazon - it will arrive at my office on Monday, so I'll spend a lot of my work time reading it, no doubt...