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PrintableByron said: VoicesCarry said: Actually, it is. Because BMH2 had a washed-up star, absolutely terrible reviews, and a dumping-ground release date, and still managed this. Of course it wound up with a much lower gross than the original, but that is how sequels are supposed to perform. Big opening, smaller overall gross. How much did BM1 make it's opening weekend? How much did BM2 make? Which weekend did BM1 open on? Which weekend did BM2 open on? What movies did Martin Lawrence star in just prior to BM1? What movies did Martin Lawrence star in just prior to BM2? And on and on, etc, etc...too many variables which play a roll in how a movie like Big Momma does in comparison to how well it did last time... It's very simple to analyze. BMH was ML's first massive hit; unfortunately, he didn't really follow up on it.. He's gone from bomb to bomb: Black Knight National Security What's The Worst That Could Happen and finally Rebound, which was a complete catastrophe for him The only exception being Bad Boys II, which was a sequel. BMH did $25M on a June weekend. BMH2 did $27M in January, becoming one of the top-openers ever in January. | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: Actually, it does! Here's what one analyst had to say: While opening a Mission: Impossible film with 4,054 venues may seem like a good idea on paper, it is actually quite the opposite. With this opening, some theaters on the continent may have been 25% full at best. Paramount will have trouble maintaining an audience next weekend as its total availability and its awareness meant that anybody who wanted to see it this weekend could have. So then if MI3 had opened in, say, 80 less theatres it wouldn't be the fifth largest opening ever, because Ice Age would have surpassed it...and I guarantee you that at least five more films will open on an even larger scale this summer, dropping MI3's ranking out of the top 10...that's basically what I meant by it doesn't really matter anymore... Oh, you're quibbling with the ranking. Doesn't matter. It's still massive by any standards. And it is the second-highest live action opener ever. Animated films on average get higher venue counts since family films have better legs and exhibitors are more comfortable with keeping them around week after week after week. Ice Age 2 should have, but didn't, and there you go. [Edited 5/7/06 16:27pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: How much did BM1 make it's opening weekend? How much did BM2 make? Which weekend did BM1 open on? Which weekend did BM2 open on? What movies did Martin Lawrence star in just prior to BM1? What movies did Martin Lawrence star in just prior to BM2? And on and on, etc, etc...too many variables which play a roll in how a movie like Big Momma does in comparison to how well it did last time... It's very simple to analyze. BMH was ML's first massive hit; unfortunately, he didn't really follow up on it.. He's gone from bomb to bomb: Black Knight National Security What's The Worst That Could Happen and finally Rebound, which was a complete catastrophe for him The only exception being Bad Boys II, which was a sequel. BMH did $25M on a June weekend. BMH2 did $27M in January, becoming one of the top-openers ever in January. So I take it that inflation isn't factored into the opening of BM1 when comparing it to the opening of BM2?..lol  ...And by the way, BM2's competition its opening weekend was Annapolis, Nanny McPhee and Rang De Basanti. Not exactly anything opening opposite of it to draw moviegoers away like it is during the "summer" movie season... | |
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: So then if MI3 had opened in, say, 80 less theatres it wouldn't be the fifth largest opening ever, because Ice Age would have surpassed it...and I guarantee you that at least five more films will open on an even larger scale this summer, dropping MI3's ranking out of the top 10...that's basically what I meant by it doesn't really matter anymore... Oh, you're quibbling with the ranking. Doesn't matter. It's still massive by any standards. And it is the second-highest live action opener ever. Animated films on average get higher venue counts since family films have better legs and exhibitors are more comfortable with keeping them around week after week after week. Ice Age 2 should have, but didn't, and there you go. [Edited 5/7/06 16:27pm] Of course ranking matters...I mean, how damning does it sound to say "MI3 opened on the 17th largest number of screens ever, and it still under-performed!"??..lol..  It could have opened on the same amount of screens, but if opening on that many screens isn't an unusual occurance anymore, then that aspect loses some of its potency.
It sounds like you have immediate access to some of these stats, so I'm curious as to how many screens War of the Worlds opened on (not for the sake of debate, just my own selfish curiosity..lol )[Edited 5/7/06 16:36pm] | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: It's very simple to analyze. BMH was ML's first massive hit; unfortunately, he didn't really follow up on it.. He's gone from bomb to bomb: Black Knight National Security What's The Worst That Could Happen and finally Rebound, which was a complete catastrophe for him The only exception being Bad Boys II, which was a sequel. BMH did $25M on a June weekend. BMH2 did $27M in January, becoming one of the top-openers ever in January. So I take it that inflation isn't factored into the opening of BM1 when comparing it to the opening of BM2?..lol ...And by the way, BM2's competition its opening weekend was Annapolis, Nanny McPhee and Rang De Basanti. Not exactly anything opening opposite of it to draw moviegoers away like it is during the "summer" movie season...Inflation-adjusted figures come out very similar (just checked and BMH2 actually did $27.7 M). When you factor in its release date, it improved. Sure there's less competition in January, but there is also less interest in films released during that period. Becoming the third best opening ever in a month is performing above expectations for a film like this. During the summer, the target audience is much more available. [Edited 5/7/06 16:36pm] | |
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fathermcmeekle said: I'm confused by all these numbers. Does this add up to Tom being an ass or not?
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: Oh, you're quibbling with the ranking. Doesn't matter. It's still massive by any standards. And it is the second-highest live action opener ever. Animated films on average get higher venue counts since family films have better legs and exhibitors are more comfortable with keeping them around week after week after week. Ice Age 2 should have, but didn't, and there you go. [Edited 5/7/06 16:27pm] Of course ranking matters...I mean, how damning does it sound to say "MI3 opened on the 17th largest number of screens ever, and it still under-performed!"??..lol.. It could have opened on the same amount of screens, but if opening on that many screens isn't an unusual occurance anymore, then that aspect loses some of its potency.
It sounds like you have immediate access to some of these stats, so I'm curious as to how many screens War of the Worlds opened on (not for the sake of debate, just my own selfish curiosity..lol )
[Edited 5/7/06 16:36pm] 3,908. Remember I did not make the argument about the venue count ranking. The fact of the matter is few films get over 4,000 screens and this one simply should have grossed more with a venue count like that. Whether you're quibbling over 3,900 vs. 4,000 the argument is the same, as near-saturation has been reached. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: So I take it that inflation isn't factored into the opening of BM1 when comparing it to the opening of BM2?..lol ...And by the way, BM2's competition its opening weekend was Annapolis, Nanny McPhee and Rang De Basanti. Not exactly anything opening opposite of it to draw moviegoers away like it is during the "summer" movie season...Inflation-adjusted figures come out very similar (just checked and BMH2 actually did $27.7 M). When you factor in its release date, it improved. Sure there's less competition in January, but there is also less interest in films released during that period. Becoming the third best opening ever in a month is performing above expectations for a film like this. During the summer, the target audience is much more available. [Edited 5/7/06 16:36pm] What were the inflation-adjusted figures? And opening during the summer also dilutes your audience among a much larger selection of movies to choose from...why go see BH2 it's opening weekend when Spiderman 3, X-Men 3 and Whatever-Else-Is-The-Next-Big-Thing are available to you?...Many movies that aren't very good open after the big movie seasons for just that reason...because they'd get lost among all the "event" movies. BM2 wasn't even close to an event movie...and apparently it sucked huge..lol...the only way of making any money off of it was to open it during the slow periods when there's next to no competition, and get as high an opening weekend gross as possible...that's why it opened in january, and not june. | |
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shausler said: oh ho
keep it down now VoicesCarry Shit is mad old. I had that done to me my first day here back in '03 and I was    | |
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fathermcmeekle said: I'm confused by all these numbers. Does this add up to Tom being an ass or not?
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VoicesCarry said: shausler said: oh ho
keep it down now VoicesCarry Shit is mad old. I had that done to me my first day here back in '03 and I was everything old is new a gain | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: Inflation-adjusted figures come out very similar (just checked and BMH2 actually did $27.7 M). When you factor in its release date, it improved. Sure there's less competition in January, but there is also less interest in films released during that period. Becoming the third best opening ever in a month is performing above expectations for a film like this. During the summer, the target audience is much more available. [Edited 5/7/06 16:36pm] What were the inflation-adjusted figures? And opening during the summer also dilutes your audience among a much larger selection of movies to choose from...why go see BH2 it's opening weekend when Spiderman 3, X-Men 3 and Whatever-Else-Is-The-Next-Big-Thing are available to you?...Many movies that aren't very good open after the big movie seasons for just that reason...because they'd get lost among all the "event" movies. BM2 wasn't even close to an event movie...and apparently it sucked huge..lol...the only way of making any money off of it was to open it during the slow periods when there's next to no competition, and get as high an opening weekend gross as possible...that's why it opened in january, and not june. Studios can open shitty movies anytime. Perhaps there is less product in January, but there is also much less demand. Highest opener in January is $35.9M (a Star Wars rerelease) vs. $93.7 M in June. I think we can both agree that the potential to open high in June is much greater. But I won't argue about BMH2 anymore
Don't have access to inflation-adjusted yet since average ticket price for 2006 won't be in until the end of the year, but I imagine they are quite close. [Edited 5/7/06 16:49pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: Of course ranking matters...I mean, how damning does it sound to say "MI3 opened on the 17th largest number of screens ever, and it still under-performed!"??..lol.. It could have opened on the same amount of screens, but if opening on that many screens isn't an unusual occurance anymore, then that aspect loses some of its potency.
It sounds like you have immediate access to some of these stats, so I'm curious as to how many screens War of the Worlds opened on (not for the sake of debate, just my own selfish curiosity..lol )
[Edited 5/7/06 16:36pm] 3,908. Remember I did not make the argument about the venue count ranking. The fact of the matter is few films get over 4,000 screens and this one simply should have grossed more with a venue count like that. Whether you're quibbling over 3,900 vs. 4,000 the argument is the same, as near-saturation has been reached....Oh, I know.. And yeah, I also agree with you that MI3's wasn't a flop, but was disappointing...but hell, it could end up grossing $400 million after worldwide sales and DVD sales are factored in...at that point, I hardly care if everyone expected it to gross $500 million..lol...at $400 million it would have doubled the cost of making the film (not sure of that cost includes promotion)... | |
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: What were the inflation-adjusted figures? And opening during the summer also dilutes your audience among a much larger selection of movies to choose from...why go see BH2 it's opening weekend when Spiderman 3, X-Men 3 and Whatever-Else-Is-The-Next-Big-Thing are available to you?...Many movies that aren't very good open after the big movie seasons for just that reason...because they'd get lost among all the "event" movies. BM2 wasn't even close to an event movie...and apparently it sucked huge..lol...the only way of making any money off of it was to open it during the slow periods when there's next to no competition, and get as high an opening weekend gross as possible...that's why it opened in january, and not june. Studios can open shitty movies anytime. Perhaps there is less product in January, but there is also much less demand. Highest opener in January is $35.9M (a Star Wars rerelease) vs. $93.7 M in June. I think we can both agree that the potential to open high in June is much greater. But I won't argue about BMH2 anymore
Don't have access to inflation-adjusted yet since average ticket price for 2006 won't be in until the end of the year, but I imagine they are quite close. [Edited 5/7/06 16:49pm] The potential to open higher in june is much greater for a film that's good and has great buzz surrounding it, yes...I would hazard a guess that BM2 wouldn't have opened with as high a take if it had been released in june instead...like you said, washed-up star in a movie with horrible reviews...too many other options out there to spend your money on, and it'll be released on DVD by late September anyway so why bother...lol | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: Studios can open shitty movies anytime. Perhaps there is less product in January, but there is also much less demand. Highest opener in January is $35.9M (a Star Wars rerelease) vs. $93.7 M in June. I think we can both agree that the potential to open high in June is much greater. But I won't argue about BMH2 anymore
Don't have access to inflation-adjusted yet since average ticket price for 2006 won't be in until the end of the year, but I imagine they are quite close. [Edited 5/7/06 16:49pm] The potential to open higher in june is much greater for a film that's good and has great buzz surrounding it, yes...I would hazard a guess that BM2 wouldn't have opened with as high a take if it had been released in june instead...like you said, washed-up star in a movie with horrible reviews...too many other options out there to spend your money on, and it'll be released on DVD by late September anyway so why bother...lol It probably would have opened higher. Have you seen some of the shit that's opened in June I mean, Scooby-Doo managed $54 M - WTF?! 2 Fast 2 Furious doing $50 M, Batman & Robin doing $43 M, the list is endless. | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: 3,908. Remember I did not make the argument about the venue count ranking. The fact of the matter is few films get over 4,000 screens and this one simply should have grossed more with a venue count like that. Whether you're quibbling over 3,900 vs. 4,000 the argument is the same, as near-saturation has been reached....Oh, I know.. And yeah, I also agree with you that MI3's wasn't a flop, but was disappointing...but hell, it could end up grossing $400 million after worldwide sales and DVD sales are factored in...at that point, I hardly care if everyone expected it to gross $500 million..lol...at $400 million it would have doubled the cost of making the film (not sure of that cost includes promotion)...Ok, but you have to remember that theaters get on average half of the gross. AND the budget does not include marketing or print cost. SO, this will probably need ancillary markets (DVD, etc.) to break even. Paramount can't be really happy with this since the percentage of the take that theaters get increases after the first week. This is why there is such a push to open big. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: The potential to open higher in june is much greater for a film that's good and has great buzz surrounding it, yes...I would hazard a guess that BM2 wouldn't have opened with as high a take if it had been released in june instead...like you said, washed-up star in a movie with horrible reviews...too many other options out there to spend your money on, and it'll be released on DVD by late September anyway so why bother...lol It probably would have opened higher. Have you seen some of the shit that's opened in June I mean, Scooby-Doo managed $54 M - WTF?! 2 Fast 2 Furious doing $50 M, Batman & Robin doing $43 M, the list is endless. ...Well, in Scooby's case, I"m guessing that Sarah Michelle Gellar was more of a draw for one type of audience than Martin Lawrence would have been for another type of audience lol (plus it was a family movie with sentimental ties for the kiddie's parents..and dad could oogle Thelma in that tight sweater..heh)...2 Fast 2 Furious I can't EVEN explain..lol...and Batman & Robin had a hold on the built-in comic lovers market...those movies open big pretty much regoardless (unlike video game movies, which seem to tank almost immediately)... | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: It probably would have opened higher. Have you seen some of the shit that's opened in June I mean, Scooby-Doo managed $54 M - WTF?! 2 Fast 2 Furious doing $50 M, Batman & Robin doing $43 M, the list is endless. ...Well, in Scooby's case, I"m guessing that Sarah Michelle Gellar was more of a draw for one type of audience than Martin Lawrence would have been for another type of audience lol (plus it was a family movie with sentimental ties for the kiddie's parents..and dad could oogle Thelma in that tight sweater..heh)...2 Fast 2 Furious I can't EVEN explain..lol...and Batman & Robin had a hold on the built-in comic lovers market...those movies open big pretty much regoardless (unlike video game movies, which seem to tank almost immediately)...Well I think it would certainly have made more last June, during The Summer of Shit.
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: ...Well, in Scooby's case, I"m guessing that Sarah Michelle Gellar was more of a draw for one type of audience than Martin Lawrence would have been for another type of audience lol (plus it was a family movie with sentimental ties for the kiddie's parents..and dad could oogle Thelma in that tight sweater..heh)...2 Fast 2 Furious I can't EVEN explain..lol...and Batman & Robin had a hold on the built-in comic lovers market...those movies open big pretty much regoardless (unlike video game movies, which seem to tank almost immediately)...Well I think it would certainly have made more last June, during The Summer of Shit.
I remember the one-two knockout punch of The Island and Stealth! ...Didn't they both go straight down the revenue toilet, tho??... | |
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Byron said: VoicesCarry said: Well I think it would certainly have made more last June, during The Summer of Shit.
I remember the one-two knockout punch of The Island and Stealth! ...Didn't they both go straight down the revenue toilet, tho??...Exactly! 
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VoicesCarry said: Byron said: ...Didn't they both go straight down the revenue toilet, tho??...Exactly!
Collective budgets: $252.2 M Collective openings: $25.66 M Holy stinkin' mothballs... 
Why is it that EVERY actor who suddenly hits it huge with a top film and even an Academy award nom (or win) ALWAYS has a follow-up movie which abso-stinkin-lutely blows... | |
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SammiJ said: katie got herself in2 one helluva mess
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Terilicious said: fathermcmeekle said: I'm confused by all these numbers. Does this add up to Tom being an ass or not?
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